New Octomom thread

[Momziller]

>>>My issues really isn't that she gets food stamps but what she is doing with the children's SSI money and collecting Disability checks from a back injury but yet can carry a baby or babies for at least 7 months.<<<

Especially since she had her disability pmts extended due to the fact that a pregnancy aggravated her back injury.

MZ

[Ambrianna]

Originally Posted by Momziller

Especially since she had her disability pmts extended due to the fact that a pregnancy aggravated her back injury.

MZ

Irony at it's finest!

I wonder how much she's received in donations. Has anyone else noticed that you can't view any guestbook, you can only leave a comment?

Gee, I wonder why?

[marilynk]

Originally Posted by Momziller

>>>My issues really isn't that she gets food stamps but what she is doing with the children's SSI money and collecting Disability checks from a back injury but yet can carry a baby or babies for at least 7 months.<<<

Especially since she had her disability pmts extended due to the fact that a pregnancy aggravated her back injury.

MZ

what little I know about work comp in California makes me believe that California is by far the most liberal w/ benefits.

Nevertheless: the girl I share an office with has had the best idea to date for this nut job. We should all ignore her. All newsmedia should not court her for pictures or interviews. All trash mags (The Globe, Enquirer, etc. ) should also just abandon all efforts to get interviews or pictures. Let her be the "mother" that she claims she wants to be. let her enjoy her time w/ her 14 children. Just LEAVE HER ALONE!

[Momziller]

Marilynk:
This is how I originally felt about this news story.

Then I was unfortunate enough to have been privy to stuff whilst channel surfing, and it really raised my hackles. ( I know, I coulda just turned it off, I am ashamed at this point I didn't)

I agree w/you- ignore her crud, don't watch anymore news stories about her, don't post anymore when I do learn more crud about her (it's' on all the 3 networks).

In the future I will do my best to do so, cuz her story goes beyond the pale.

MZ

[grannyshirl]

I don't care about her.
I just feel so sad for those 14 innocent children. They deserve better. They didn't have any choice in all this.

What attention will her older children get? She won't have time for them.

I can ignore her all day long.

She is wacky

[producemama]

Her 7yr old is going to be a mother to those babies. I feel sorry for the girl....

[annadrose]

I sent her a comment on her website

You are emotionally and mentally ill. If you really love those children give them to someone who can raise them in a functional home.
Also who the hell do you think you are having 14 babies you cannot support?

Do you have any grasp on reality at all? I don't think so!

(Yes I DID. Normally I am very nice to people and try to say things that will help them in some way but this woman is too far gone to consider someone's comment with any real thought)

Here is the url she is asking for donations to raise her family. What a nerve!

http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

[jazame]

I agree. I hope she gets no donations. Maybe then someone will step in and find stable homes for these kids. I can't imagine that they are gonna have any kind of decent life. That woman is not all there.

Jen

[couponconnie]

Real Mothers don't ask for Handouts for their children! They get a job and support them - If you can not support your children you should not have more - and the government needs to stop making it so easy to get more money for more children!

[BuckeyeatHeart]

I heard on the radio this morning while taking the kids to school that she has received over 60,000 dollars so far, and that there are some celebrities who want to have a benefit for her......anybody else hear this?

[truble2301]

I'd bet money that she's receiving far more negative comments than positive ones. The fools that are sending her money deserve to be without it.

[BrendaRawson]

I feel sorry for the children The mother is just crazy

[choices817]

Originally Posted by annadrose

I sent her a comment on her website

You are emotionally and mentally ill. If you really love those children give them to someone who can raise them in a functional home.
Also who the hell do you think you are having 14 babies you cannot support?

Do you have any grasp on reality at all? I don't think so!

(Yes I DID. Normally I am very nice to people and try to say things that will help them in some way but this woman is too far gone to consider someone's comment with any real thought)

Here is the url she is asking for donations to raise her family. What a nerve!

http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

I commented to her almost the same sentiment. What nerve is right. This woman is delusional. No one can possibly care and support for 8 infants and 6 children by themselves.

She wants to go back to school. And - where will she find the time to actually do school work. Like I said she's delusional.

I feel sorry for the children.

Judi

[lisacb]

I totally agree with everyone so far. Did anyone see the Dr. Phil yesterday where they discussed it? It was interesting. The sad thing is the children. As much as we hate what she's done and why, the poor children are the innocent victims in this whole mess.

They also interviewed Kate from that show John & Kate Plus 8 (I've never seen the show) but she has twins & sextuplets. She talked about how overwhelming it was. That she never got to sit down & relax for a year and never left her house for 2 years after the sextuplets were born and that was with the help of 50 volunteers each week. She also talked about how even some of the volunteers got burned out and run down and quit.

Lisa

[annadrose]

How many people will volunteer just to have a bit of the limelight I wonder.

[ILUVLUCY420]

sorry but this is plain sick and pathetic, yes I also agree I feel for those kids, however , like I have always stated life is all about choices, there is a wrong and a right and with so many other large families spread across the United States, this is not fair, that she is asking for donations to help raise 14 children..Honestly and this is my personal views, she truly should consider adoption at least this way, there are so many married couples out there who are dying to have a child one child and who can afford the financial and emotional stability these babies need..I cannot believe she calls other people selfish because they choose to have 2 or 3 children, yet her heself, who seriously has so many problems all around and is not in my views capable of raising 14 children, she is selfish..Someone brought up the Duggars, again I do not agree with their whole suituation either, and I do not know for sure whether they have received any funds , however the Jon and Kate plus 8 have gotten so much for their reality show, enough is enough already...Catherine

[a160thwife]

Originally Posted by ILUVLUCY420

sorry but this is plain sick and pathetic, yes I also agree I feel for those kids, however , like I have always stated life is all about choices, there is a wrong and a right and with so many other large families spread across the United States, this is not fair, that she is asking for donations to help raise 14 children..Honestly and this is my personal views, she truly should consider adoption at least this way, there are so many married couples out there who are dying to have a child one child and who can afford the financial and emotional stability these babies need..I cannot believe she calls other people selfish because they choose to have 2 or 3 children, yet her heself, who seriously has so many problems all around and is not in my views capable of raising 14 children, she is selfish..Someone brought up the Duggars, again I do not agree with their whole suituation either, and I do not know for sure whether they have received any funds , however the Jon and Kate plus 8 have gotten so much for their reality show, enough is enough already...Catherine

If I am not mistaken, the Duggar family has always been self sufficient. I think the dad owns a business of some sort.

[valorian]

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

[annadrose]

If she is getting food stamps the donations will count against them or any other Welfare. If she reports it.

[itscc2u]

Originally Posted by annadrose

If she is getting food stamps the donations will count against them or any other Welfare. If she reports it.

Unfortunately NO taken from the SNAP site Eligibility

Households may have $2,000 in countable resources, such as a bank account. Households may have $3,000 if at least one person is age 60 or older, or is disabled. Certain resources are not counted, such as a home and lot and the resources of people who receive Supplemental Security Income (SSI) or benefits under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.

That is crap but if Social Security gets word of it, the SSI can be cut off because of there being too much resources and/or income.

More about SNAP

Income Tests:

Households have to meet income tests unless all members are receiving TANF, SSI, or in some places general assistance. Most households must meet both the gross and net income tests, but a household with an elderly person or a person who is receiving certain types of disability payments only has to meet the net income test. Households, except those noted, that have income over the amounts listed below cannot get SNAP benefits.

(Oct. 1, 2008 through Sept. 30, 2009)

Household size

Gross Net
130% 100%
Poverty Poverty

1 1,127 867

2 1,517 1,167

3 1,907 1,467

4 2,297 1,767

5 2,687 2,067

6 3,077 2,367

7 3,467 2,667

8 3,857 2,967

Each additional member
+ 390 + 300


Once again she beats the system because of SSI unless of course Social Security Dumps her and why wouldn't they since this is big news? Oh wait we are talking about the Government aren't we it could be months before they do anything.

At the link I posted above the maximum monthly allotment is listed.

I think what ticks me off the most is that my family gets $10 a month too much for any help and we are supposed to get income disallows because of being disabled and because of the medical bills we have but no-one in VA seems to know how to do it. Not too mention I have been waiting 6 months for someone to act on my medicaid application for a spend-down.

This is just bunko this woman is what my sister in law was a manipulator of the welfare system, she knows how to do it without getting into trouble or caught but lord I hope they cut her off immediately.

I do feel for the children and I hope she fails and they are put into the system and they get great homes, while I am fighting to keep kids out of the system with this Collaborative I am working on, this is one case I think the children need help and would be better off in Foster Care and placed for Adoption into homes that can meet their needs because there will be more than one of them with some type of delay or medical issues. The McCaughey Septuplets have shown that as have other High Order Multiples.

[valorian]

Dont know how much to read into TMZ


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[Smilin]

Taxpayers may be covering octuplet mom’s bills - Women's health- msnbc.com

I saw on the news that CAians may get an IOU instead of a tax return. Now I see this...hmmm...I'm so glad I can help this woman out with all her bills when I can't even order supplies for my classroom. (our school budget is frozen due to state cuts.)

[annadrose]

I still cannot believe it! It's like something from a bad tv show.

[sexysmurf]

I saw her on TV last night touching one of the babies and she had a freakin' french manicure!!!! *I* am not spending my money on expensive french manicures! This woman makes me physically ill

[cashchik]

I really, really try not to comment on threads that have to do with parenting and children, because not being a parent I feel like I don't have the qualifications.
However, this whole mess outrages me. Not because, yes the taxpayers will end up footing the bill for these children but because of the life that these kids have been sentenced to.
At what point does HER desicion become their nightmare??
Oh I would say, right now.
I think she should be judged an unfit parent.

[cjs216]

Originally Posted by sexysmurf

I saw her on TV last night touching one of the babies and she had a freakin' french manicure!!!! *I* am not spending my money on expensive french manicures! This woman makes me physically ill

I noticed this too.....not only the expense of the manicure, but what mom of 6 - and now 14 - has the time to get their nails done? I don't think I combed my hair for several years when I had infants/toddlers. LOL

cj/

[marilynk]

Originally Posted by cjs216

I noticed this too.....not only the expense of the manicure, but what mom of 6 - and now 14 - has the time to get their nails done? I don't think I combed my hair for several years when I had infants/toddlers. LOL

cj/

ahem, there are days that you don't have time to bathe!

Selfish, selfish woman. She cares no one whit about her children. Only herself!

[truble2301]

Originally Posted by cjs216

I noticed this too.....not only the expense of the manicure, but what mom of 6 - and now 14 - has the time to get their nails done? I don't think I combed my hair for several years when I had infants/toddlers. LOL

cj/

I thought about those poor babies and their delicate skin and what if she scratched one by accident with those monstrosities?

[sunnyday212000]

Originally Posted by truble2301

I thought about those poor babies and their delicate skin and what if she scratched one by accident with those monstrosities?

That's what I thought, too. I just starting wearing my wedding ring again (my baby is 20 months old) for the first time in 5 years because the diamond scratched my DS when he was a couple weeks old and I felt awful. I can't imagine having a french manicure while tending to 8 babies! I've got two sets of Irish twins and the exhaustion is finally starting to wear off. I don't know how a single mother of 14 is going to fare.

[mom2twins2]

I just heard on TV that the church she claimed would be helping her take care of the children just released a statement that they did not even know her and are denying any help to her and said they will have no involvement with her. They stated that the only contact they had with her was when she made an inquiry about their childrens' ministry.

The woman is a chronic liar obviously.

(And her manicure was one of the first things I noticed, too!)

[ILUVLUCY420]

DId anyone get to view the inside of that small home she plans on raising 14 kids its a total mess, where and how can someone live like this much less with 14 children, all the personal items and cribs and diapers, where will it all go, more and more about this lady is coming to light each and every day and I know we have not heard the last, it will continue. As I stated before the best thing for these innocent babies is too be legally adopted by a loving financially and emotionally stable family what a total shame to so many couple to dearly yearn for just one child and now we have to take care of them, how about all the millions of families spread across american who also have 4 or more children and are suffering in these times, what about them and the nails that totally pissed me off, what a phony, she has made so many lies and telling stories...Sad sad for those poor babies and the other 6 kids....CAtherine

[Momziller]

Whittier church denies giving aid to Nadya Suleman

Whittier church denies giving aid to Nadya Suleman | The Dish Rag | Los Angeles Times


PR Group Representing Octuplets' Mom Steps Down

FOXNews.com - PR Group Representing Octuplets' Mom Steps Down - Pregnancy

There's a video of a church rep speaking about the case here:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...g-Suleman.html

Octomom has a gag order for her own mom :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...mment_20863123

[Icansavedaily]

This woman is in a world of trouble, the implanting doctor should bear blame and the cost, the sperm bank that would accept that many sperm for one woman ( she claimed to have used 6 for each birth from the same donor) should accept part of the blame and the cost. The daddy that would donate that many sperm, knowingly, to one woman should bear the costs. They should hospitalize the mother of all these kids in a nut house and provide a nurse for each 2 infants and two nannies for the other six children. The responsible parties should provide ALL the needs of these children until they are atleast 18 or in college.
The taxpayers should not be held responisble for any care that wasn't given to the public at large. The hospital should not be held responsible for any medical bills that the births incurred. She should be forcibly sterilized.

[Momziller]

According to a Brit report she already has had a nanny that she's paid $500/wk to employ:

Octuplet Mom Nadya Suleman Has a $500/Week Nanny? - FameCrawler

[wowitsdark]

Originally Posted by Icansavedaily

The daddy that would donate that many sperm, knowingly, to one woman should bear the costs.

I don't think the issue is the dad. Any 'donation' the sperm donor would make - of any volume - is bound to contain enough sperm to fertilize thousands of women.

I also am under the impression that he just donated once. I don't know how many eggs she would've produced when she began her treatments, but doing the math, it sounds like she had 36 viable fertilized eggs. Each time she underwent implantation, they used six of them, and each of the first four times only one of the six 'took'.

Had implantation remained at that rate, she would now just have six children. That's a large family, but not a HUGE family like 14 is.

I am not 'for' men donating their sperm to single women, because I do think God set up the whole mom+dad=baby equation for reasons that go beyond biology. However, I don't think the sperm donor was necessarily an overachiever who should be punished.

[Momziller]

And anyhow, with her penchant for being less than truthful, I have doubts that she did indeed use the same guy for all the pregnancies.
This is one guy who has been remarkably missing from news reports on this story, which I find curious. Especially since she says it's a boyfriend she had for years, wanted to marry her, but she wanted top just have kids as a single woman. Folks who know her would know who he is. If that's the case, I find it fishy that we haven't heard his side of the story.

[jenh22]

Originally Posted by Icansavedaily

, the sperm bank that would accept that many sperm for one woman ( she claimed to have used 6 for each birth from the same donor) should accept part of the blame and the cost. The daddy that would donate that many sperm, knowingly, to one woman should bear the costs. .

LOL. huh?

If 6 sperm were used for each pregnancy and and she's been pregnant 6 times, that would be 36 sperm.

I'm pretty sure there are millions of sperm in each "sample" of semen.

Edit:

It's not like the donor could actually count out how many sperm he was going to give.

As far as the sperm bank, I don't see them saying " We only want 3 (or how ever many) of your sperm. Here, you can keep the other 299,999,997 of them." and then handing them back.

[ILUVLUCY420]

I read that all these children are all from the same sperm donor and I also read that according to her, he asked that she not use his sperm anymore, as he was moving on with this life and get married. Now I ask you ladies, do you think she knew the sperm donor, would any women who goes this way to become pregnant and wants more then one child want to have her offspring have the same father. Also is there a law as to how many implants her the user can use or is this a limit. I also read that she intended to only have one more and never wanted 8 however from all the stories and her stability at this point I do not buy it. Again I vote for her to adopt out these children to a loving couple who yearn for just one child and whom can offer the emotional and financial stability as she clearly nor her parents can do... Sad. Catherine

[wowitsdark]

Lucy, while I in no way defend her actions, I assume that she had all those eggs fertilized several years ago. Even if he asked that she not have any more of them implanted, she likely paid through the nose to have them created in the first place, and would have had to begin the process all over again for her last pregnancy, including obtaining more sperm. I can see why she would not want to go that route if she already 'owned' six fertilized eggs that were on ice just waiting to be used.

I think she is nuttier than a fruitcake.

[valorian]

Octuplets doctor has another patient expecting quadruplets - Los Angeles Times
Dr implanted another lady, in her 40's, only wanted one, and now pregnant with quadruplets

[ILUVLUCY420]

Wowitsdark thanks for some help to the questions and on this I totally agree with you and others 100 percent, however sadly it goes deeper then being then a friutcake, I cannot find the clip or video however I did see this morning where they asked one of her children how do you think mommy will handle all those kids and sadly the little child answered mommy will have problems.. How sad sad. Like I said this past week my ds Tommy has been sick with the flu I could never ever imagine taking care of 14 children plus the fact that 8 of them are all the same age....Wowitsdark, correct me If I am wrong as I have no knowledge of the course of these procedures, if she is in debt for 50.000 for college tuituations where did she get the funds for this, also do u or anyone else know how much the sperm donor makes for these donations???/ Catherine

[afurrything]

I thought the "dad" was her ex(?) boyfriend? I know I read somewhere that he wanted to marry her but she just wanted to have babies.
I didn't think it was some random sperm donor.
IMO he is just as responsible for all the costs, if it isn't some random dude.

[a160thwife]

Originally Posted by afurrything

I thought the "dad" was her ex(?) boyfriend? I know I read somewhere that he wanted to marry her but she just wanted to have babies.
I didn't think it was some random sperm donor.
IMO he is just as responsible for all the costs, if it isn't some random dude.

She was married and could never have kids with her ex. It was after she divorced that she asked a friend to be a sperm donor.

[afurrything]

Originally Posted by a160thwife

She was married and could never have kids with her ex. It was after she divorced that she asked a friend to be a sperm donor.

Nadya Suleman, Octuplets Mom, Identifies Fertilization Clinic
Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own.

Sounds like they were more than just friends to me.

[wowitsdark]

Lucy, this is my guess, and it is pure speculation....

She probably had all these embryos created 8 years ago or so, and paid for them at that time with money from the settlement she received when she was injured at work, which was said to be around $169,000.

The embryos have been stored since then in a sort of a cryonic state ... or whatever it is that they do to embryos that are 'in waiting'.

She can have student loan debt and have cash on hand at the same time. If she is receiving disability payments and other government aid for her three kids who have disabilities, then she has a little bit of income to spend. She of course should be spending it on the necessities of life for her children and herself, however, it sounds like her parents have been providing for their needs. She, in turn, has gone to school on loans and used the government money to foot the bill for these embryo implantations.

Since her sole source of income is from the government, her income is considered low, and therefore she is eligible for student loans. Actually, anybody can get a student loan.... but not everyone can get a government subsidized one, which is, I assume, what she has.

[ILUVLUCY420]

Thanks wowitsdark and to the other posters about the sperm donor being a ex boyfriend, that is one bit of information I did not know nor read, however with all the stories surrounding this saga, anything is possible. Is it just me or does she seem to look like Angelina Jolie, I know there has been talk about her wanting to be like her, but fact is she does look alot like her..However there is a huge difference between them, while of course Jolie and Pitt have had 3 natural children and have adopted 3 and plan on having more, they can well afford to take excellent care and provide for all their children.As far as how many more they will bring into their family who knows. Also if the sperm donor was her ex by I am wondering how long it will be before we heard of him...So sad for couples out there who long for just one child...Catherine

[Momziller]

Saw the Ann Curry interview late last night on one of those news stations, and I believe Curry said (or someone else interviewed) that the embryos were indeed frozen kidsicles.
Her mom has stated that the only money she has spent on her kids has been for toys, her parents paid for everything else. I tend to believe the g-mom, especially after seeing the interview (or was it something I read?) about her having 2 trampolines out back for the kids. And I think it was in the Brit article where she said her house is filled with toys, it's not a house but a *kids' playhouse*. (and she was proud of this?!)
I still am waiting to hear about the purported sire of the kids.
She did say on one interview that when she went to the doc he said something about her wanting more twins and she was happy with that possibility. The thing that I think has most people lacking sympathey (at least in my case) is that she already had 6 kids at home, including 2yo twins (1 w.speech delays), was not supporting them or caring for them (her mom did it), living off gov't assistance, and she went ahead to try and add one more kid that would take away from what little resources she had for the existing 6 kids. And as more info came to light about things she had that hardworking parents couldn't have (private school, trampolines, salon manicures, oh so obvious plastic surgery, etc.), a lot of folks who may have initially had some sympathy for her became outraged at what a tool she seems to be. Her interviews have dug her a deeper hole because they highlight the *entitlement attitude* she has that really gets folks hackles up
I don't believe she intended to have 6 or more kids, but I do sense that she was thrilled with situation . All all multiple moms like Kate Gosseling or the McCaugheys or Dilleys said they cried and were terrified at the prospect once they found out, and this seems to be a reasonable, healthy *adult* response, IMNSHO. Octomom said she was very happy when she was told she was carrying 6 or 7 kids (can't remember how many she was told originally, I know the 8th baby was a total surprise). She also said that even though she *didn't plan on this many, things worked out perfectly*. Now, who could ever think that her having 8 more babies, with 6 at home (3 are sn kids), no father to co-parent, and no job would be *perfection*?!
I hope someone comes up w/a good solution for that family, maybe 24/7 supervised aid so the kids can all stay together along with major therapy to get mom in a better mental health state. I know she can't handle all those kids by herself, and her support system seems thin to non-existent. But I also don't think those sibs should be split up if there's any way possible to keep them together. Especially the twins and the new babies. There's psychic bonds twixt multiples that are darned near supernatural, and sibs, multiples or not, need to be together whenever possible. Again, just MNSHO.

[oraf7]

That will be the day I give my credit card donation for a Nut Cake like this who put herself in this demented pathetic situation. She has a real nerve!!! People are losing Jobs left and right and this idiot volunterily puts herself in this postition. She should give those babies to a responsible couple desperatley trying to conceive and will provide a stable enviroment for them. God Bless all those kids!!

[Momziller]

>>>. She should give those babies to a responsible couple desperately trying to conceive and will provide a stable environment for them.<<<

But here's the problem:
Who have you ever known who would, or had the capability to, take take 6, or 8, or all 14 of those kids? Can you imagine being separated from any of your sibs?
This is where I have the most probs when folks suggest all those kids should all be adopted out individually.
And this is from my viewpoint as an adoptive/foster parent.
IMNSHO, if we can help/heal the mom, we can help the kids .I dunno if in Octomom's case it is even possible, but I do hold out hope, however slim it may seem at this point.
That being said, I think Octomom has a long way to go towards being a healthy parent.This has been one of the most interesting news stories I can recall.
I am more on the side of the kids, ultimately, but hafta think in the long run how much better it would be for then if their mom could be mentally healthy.
If you haven't lived it, .it is hard for anyone to imagine the damage done to kids by splitting sibs up.
I think from what I have heard/read, that the mom is freaking nuts. I have very little sympathy for her at this point, but I can't help but think of the big picture, how those kids have already, and will coninue to, suffer if nobody with extreme wisdom can step up to the plate.
This is one of the most compelling news stories of our times, perhaps a vignette of our society lately.

[susiecat]

What bugs me the most about all of this is the grandma. I think it's sad she saying things about her daughter.. I don't know who is lying and who is telling the truth..and frankly I don't care. I just think the Grandma should be quiet about it all. If it is true that granny was supporting all the kids.. then sure it makes daughter look bad, but it makes granny look like a fool. If she can't support her daughter, fine.. but don't bad mouth her to the entire world! If my mother did that, I think I'd want 14 babies too..to feel loved.