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Old 02-27-2009, 03:35 PM
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Octomom Says Student Loans and Volunteers Will Take Care Of Her Children!

I thought Nadya Suleman's intention to raise her 14 children through welfare was disgusting but the idiot is digging herself in deeper. To counter the hospital's concerns that her babies environment might not be suitable, she has publicly unveiled her new plan to reassure them:

She told Dr. Phil that she intends to live on her student loans and rely on volunteers to care for her babies! The last I heard, student loans were intended for education purposes, not to be used to feed a family of 15. Using the money to feed 14 children is outright fraud.

I don't think her plan to have strangers care for all the children will allay any concerns, either. The children will be at risk because undesirables will volunteer just to get next to them. She doesn't have the resources (or even common sense) to thoroughly check the criminal and medical backgrounds of all these caretakers.

The authorities could solve the Nadya Suleman problem easily. She's already announced her intention to commit fraud so let her do it. She can be then be prosecuted and a parent that relys on stolen funds to raise their children can have the children removed from the home.

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Old 02-27-2009, 03:40 PM
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A few years ago there was a man...I believe he was in his 30s at the time. Who lived at the end of my street. Who lived on Student Loans. He never held a job. He just went to school and collected student loans.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:31 PM
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This woman is scrambling to come up with a remedy to look like she has the means to get money, like a student loan, without actually saying that she will collect welfare. (What an outcry there would be if she said that). I think her true intentions are to get donations from the American public who sympathizes with her situation. She can't say that though as it wouldn't come off very well.

As far as student loans, they do have to paid back. Is it true that even if you file bankruptcy, you still have to pay these back? I don't know how anyone can get away with living off student loans. Isn't it a criteria that you have to be a full-time student to qualify? Gee, will she have the time?
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:39 PM
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student loans cannot be put into a bankruptcy as far as I know. They do have to be paid off...not written off. I"m not sure how they will collect since she has nothing though.

NOTHING surprises me that this *woman* does
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:29 PM
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Before the new laws Student loans could be written off in certain circumstances if your pled your case in front of a judge and he agreed. ie. She is a single mom of 14 an would never be able to pay them back. At least that is what a lawyer told me before the new laws took place.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:49 PM
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I personally am getting more and more upset with this whole suituation. I watched the interview with the Dad on Oprah, I got mixed feelings from the interview. Part of me believes he knows his daughter and the whole baby suituation is totally out of hand and the fact that he plans on taking care of all of them is so sad. On the other hand she is his daughter and I feel, he does love her and is so blinded by the love for her and his 14 grandchildren he is a bit uneasy to say the least. Another issue is perhaps it is just me but I have a feeling he agreed to the interview to perhaps think Oprah would step in and help, but that is not true as far as I know. I feel sorry for him , he is divorced has to go back to his country and make money and there is no way he can afford all of them.As far as the issue with the hospital now saying they will not release the babies until they know they will be well taken care of. At this point the health issues with these poor innocent babies has not be determined. I sincerely hope they do not realize the babies until proper care is determined. Sad again there are so many couples who are well educated, well off, financially and emotionally stable, she truly truly should do the unselfish thing and legally adopt the children to people who can afford these babies who need so much in their life, especially as I am sure many will suffer some disabilities of some sort and that in itself in a very serious and hard task to handle much less with so many children.. Catherine
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Old 02-27-2009, 07:02 PM
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Not to be rude, but she's NUTS. Those poor children.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:51 AM
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I am prediciting Dr Phil will orchestrate a solution for the baby drama /dilemma. That appeared to be the direction he is heading on his show.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:02 AM
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I am prediciting Dr Phil will orchestrate a solution for the baby drama /dilemma. That appeared to be the direction he is heading on his show.
This is what I was thinking. And in my opinion, it's just another reason I'm not watching Dr. Phil anymore. He acted like this woman admitted she made a mistake.. anyone who saw that part of the interview saw the fact that she had her usual half smile on her face. And, it didn't take 2 seconds for mom to say that she needs a house if anyone's willing to donate one. (at least 5 bedrooms). Geez.. wonder where she gets it?

This woman just galls me. Then to top it off Dr. Phil tells America to think about the kids. I will be this weekend when I pay my taxes. That's my contribution to her stupidity.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:10 AM
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She'll get a book deal and a TV show and be just fine. Sad, sad situation..
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Old 02-28-2009, 12:21 PM
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Not to be rude, but she's NUTS. Those poor children.
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Old 02-28-2009, 12:47 PM
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She'll get a book deal and a TV show and be just fine. Sad, sad situation..
Not any more, cuz she turned down 24/7 care of her children to do the show, the person who offered the show, has not been able to talk with her, and kept saying she refuses to talk to her directly, so deal null/void.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:01 PM
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Why would she admit to making a mistake?? Do you ladies think any of your children are mistakes??
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:18 PM
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The reason she turned down the offer for Angels in Waiting is because its a Org that has a right to take her children away. They are partnerships with DHR and they place babies that are in danger or in need of foster homes or adoption. I don't think taken the children away is what needs to be done. But she does need help and have a case worker assigned to her for the welfare of the children.

Sussie what Dr.Phil wanted her to do was admit she made a mistake in having ALL the eggs implanted at 1 time. He also wanted her to admit that when she already had 6 children with 3 in need of special care and her not having a job, in foreclosure of her mothers home, no money , living on food stamps that her even wanting to add 1 more child into this was a mistake in ILL thinking.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:39 PM
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Old 02-28-2009, 04:01 PM
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ok I don't understand this. My dd gets student loans also. But she does not get that much that she could live on them let alone support 14 children. It covers her school, books and some of her gas to get back and forth to school. If she lived on Campus she would break even but still not have enough to eat. How do they get so much in student loans. Also my dd has to pay them back. She gets subsidized loans so she does not have to pay back until she graduates then she has to start paying.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:04 PM
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This women knows how to work the system. She has been doing it for many years. I am sure she will figure a way out of the situation she got herself into. People like her always land on their feet.
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ok I don't understand this. My dd gets student loans also. But she does not get that much that she could live on them let alone support 14 children. It covers her school, books and some of her gas to get back and forth to school. If she lived on Campus she would break even but still not have enough to eat. How do they get so much in student loans. Also my dd has to pay them back. She gets subsidized loans so she does not have to pay back until she graduates then she has to start paying.
You get unsubsidized loans. Not all student loans are subsidized.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:44 PM
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I know that all are not subsidized, but the ones that are not you have to make payments on them every month. I can't imagine she could afford to do that with all those children. Of course I just seen her on tv and it seems the donations are starting to pour in.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:08 PM
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I bet she's got Jon and Kate shakin' in their boots. Soon they may be tomorrow's news..
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Only in Octomom's sick mind will she be able to support her kids with student loans and volunteers.
She probably also thinks that she'll be able to make money breeding unicorns.

I wish CPS would take all the kids away and let them be adopted by parents who aren't crazy as s***house rats and will actually care for them properly and love them.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:04 PM
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She's got to have some sort of mental illness. She's certainly demonstrated that she is not capable of taking care of 14 children. She's totally sefl absorbed.
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Old 03-01-2009, 06:29 PM
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I'm learning from personal experience that it takes more than a mental illness for a mom, even one who left them, to lose her kids. just the way it is.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:19 AM
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She would have to go to school full time to receive student loans. The tuition and living expenses are paid directly to the school and you get any thing left over which is not much. As people said before, the woman does not know what she is talking about.

I want to know where she got the money to have the procedure to start with. My son and daughter-in-law paid $12,000 to have it done. After two tries, my darling granddaughter was born. I am sure this upsets all women that can't have children.
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:56 AM
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First... who could raise 14 kids in CALIFORNIA anyhow? The Cost of living is insane there!

In the interview with Dr Phil.. He said she had a Pollyanna attitude.
My friend has a Pollyanna complex and I wonder how she functions in the world. She is constantly calling for advice and needs suggestions. Hers is from a very odd childhood growing up.
Until she truly gets a RUDE wake up call, octomom is not going to change. Someone is going to come along a fix it.

Sadly... someone does need to fix the issue. Either with Grandparetns becoming the authority or having the state step in.

I do believe that a mental evaluation is needed for her...... and ANYONE that would not be quaking in their boots at the thought of 14 kids under 7 even with the help and support of a spouse and lots of people willing to help cannot be stable.
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:51 AM
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The amazing part is people act like this is new... There are TONS of parents out there having kids that they can not afford... Nor do they have any way to support them...
Take a look at the Welfare roles... third and fourth generation welfare families all expecting the US taxpayers to pay to raise their children.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:00 PM
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The amazing part is people act like this is new... There are TONS of parents out there having kids that they can not afford... Nor do they have any way to support them...
Take a liik at the Welfare roles... third and fourth generation welfare families all expecting the US taxpayers to pay to raise their children.
and the sad part is....nothing will change. The US taxpayers have been doing it for years, and it looks like it will only get worse with the way things are heading.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:19 PM
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"and the sad part is....nothing will change. The US taxpayers have been doing it for years, and it looks like it will only get worse with the way things are heading. " The economy is headed down however the point I was making was there are many people in this county who have kids that they cant afford and the taxpayers and hard working people are footing the bill.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:45 PM
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Yes, there are TONS of parents out there having kids that they can not afford... and have any way to support them...

That is true ..
BUT ... they weren't crazy enough to go have 8 more implanted when they already had 6 little ones that they couldn't afford.
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