Well I believe at this point most people know how I feel, of course I totally believe they so deserve all the same rights as all humans do. It is so about time its 2009 . And also it is so much more then the actual ceremony which of course is so important. It is about a life time commitment, it is about perhaps changing your name and wanting to use your spouse's name. It is important for legal and health issues. Plain and simple its important all the way around. I cannot believe that it is still not legal in so many places . I also cannot believe that in today's society that it is still something that is considered tabboo and evil and down right unheard to some people. Oh well for me again they so deserve all the rights and more power to them 100 percent.. Peace . Catherine

Why? By title alone I can tell this is going to stir the pot. This has been discussed and discussed and argued--
LET IT GO! For the love of all that is good and decent in this world, delete your post. Do we really need the sh*t stirred?

I don't have to read your post. Unfortunately having you on ignore, doesn't stop me from seeing titles of any thread you start. Either you are just trying to start controversy--which would be in direct violation of your "peace" moniker, or you're dumb as a box of rocks.

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Yes, marriage should be legal for homosexuals. It's sad that that's even debatable for some people.

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Personally, I think it should be legal for homosexuals/lesbians to marry. I think that many that choose to live their lives in that manner have more respect, love, and commitment to each other than many heterosexuals who marry. JMHO.

I don't see why gay couples can't marry.
It's not like gay people are going to mess marriage up any more that the straight people already have. Seriously. Straight people aren't doing a real hot job with marriage, why not let gay people have a crack at it.

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Of course it should not be. For many, many reasons.

I agree. At first, I thought the whole "peace" thing just sounded fluffy and silly.

At this point, it's like... someone walking into a crowded theater, screaming, "FIRE FIRE FIRE!!!!!!" and then when people start to run out the doors in a frantic frenzy, saying, sweetly, "Let's all be calm now."

You can't blather about something controversial, stir up something you know is frustrating for others to read, and then fold your hands, sit back in your chair, smile to yourself sweetly, and declare that you want them to feel *peaceful* or react *peacefully* and have anyone take you seriously.

I'm not for it. Apart from my personal views, there are legal issues that will arise that force those who, for religious and other reasons, believe it an inappropriate legal union, to financially support it if they provide that support for heterosexual couples. It sounds like no big deal to those on the side of pro-gay-marriage, but particularly for those who, based on *religion*, only recognize heterosexual marriages, it causes a quandry. If I pay $1,000/month per employee in insurance benefits to a heterosexual person and her family (but would pay $500 were she single)... I must pay that out for homosexual couples if they have legal marital status. So then, in order to live in accordance with one's religion, they must either adopt a practice that violates their beliefs or drop the heterosexual couple or be sued by the ACLU and lose their business.

And Catherine, I can't believe I am engaging you, but the whole "health reasons" thing is bogus. If someone wants to be monogamous, a piece of paper won't change that. If someone is a cheater, a piece of paper won't change that. Regardless of their gender preference.

I am very pro gay marriage. I believe everyone has the right to get married and who am I to tell them they can't. If I want to be treated equally I need to treat others equally and if I want the right to do something I fully believe everyone should have that right regardless of color, sex, disability and sexual preference.

wowitsdark , when I mentioned the health reasons for gay couples being allowed to get married, I should have been more clear. I am talking about next of kin, in case your so which would be if a gay couple was not married, they would have no legal right to make health decisions for their partner. But if they were legally married, there would be no problem. Also why would be mentioning peace stir up any trouble in this post. I am asking for views and I will accept all views whether I agree with them or not. At this point wowitsdark, can you kindly give it a rest to not personally attack me, I honestly thought we were past that, with the last issues of my grammar. Can we kindly stick to the topic. Thanks. Catherine

ALSO wowitsdark and I quote you " starting a thread that is frustrating for other people to read". Are you serious this is a open forum and in such, we may choose to start a thread about any topic a member such as myself can start. Whether you believe or disbelieve, that is a personal choice. We have discussed many issues here before and since there are no rules. Then why can we not discuss gay/lesbian marriages, or religion, or abortions, or politics which you loved to discuss. Are you the only one who decided what is deemed appropriate to discuss. Peace. Catherine

Cathrine, with all due respect... Marilyn is right on this one. What if I had posted the following? :

Well I believe at this point most people know how I feel, of course I totally believe they do not have the legal right to marriage. It is so about time people quit fighting for that right its 2009 . And also it is so much more then the actual ceremony. It is about making people buy you health insurance. It is important for legal and health issues that it not be allowed. Plain and simple its not important all the way around. I cannot believe that people are still trying to make it legal in so many places . I also cannot believe that in today's society that it is still something that anyone doesn't consider tabboo and evil and down right unheard to some people. Oh well for me again they so deserve none of the legal rights and less power to them 100 percent..

Peace .

Feels a little like a hit and run... no?

I think if an adult in this country is a citizen and is expected to pay taxes, they should have the same legal rights that I do. Marriage from a "rights" stand point is nothing more than a legal contract.

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Wowisdark first Marilynk is on my ignore so any out put she posts, means nothing to me. Second I have posted and writted the word peace millions of times. It is a part of me, take it or leave it. Just because I start a so called controversial post, I also can type the word peace I have that right. I am looking for views, your the one who is turning this thread around. Again you have your views I have mind, that is what makes the world go around.. Peace , peace , peace . Catherine

Yup...that is exactly what it means. Take out the word Homosexual and insert the word "black" and you sound exactly like the racist idiots from back before the Civil Right movement......or better yet, how about the days when you could say the word "women" and we were nothing more than property -- and by the way, there are religions that still believe that in this country and it is still written that way in the bible -- so, we should placate to them? Maybe you are the one that needs to realize that it is 2009 and quit fighting it. Ridiculous.

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Kelliii go girl go, you took the words right out of my mouth..... Again this is a free country of speech and press. Also we can agree and disagree, but I think it would be nicer if someone who did not agree, would simply say it is not for me plain and simple. But the more you try to bring your point across, the words are coming out as bigotry and sadly in 2009 its truly sad.. Peace. Catherine

I guess I don't understand this.

What do you mean "looking for views"? I assume you already know there are two - the ones you agree with and the ones you don't.

Again - starting a thread you know will be full of controversial 'views' is not initiating peace.

It's asking for war.

I never was one that subscribed to the "our strength is in our diversity" theory. Diversity of style and foods and whether Jane can tolerate living in a cold climate and run the ski resorts while Lisa can run a fishing boat off the coast of Florida? Yup... those 'diversities' complete us. But when it comes to diversities of opinion where ultimately one side or the other is, in the sight of the law, a 'loser' and the other a 'victor'... these things, IMHO, don't make for a more content, peaceful land. A house divided against itself cannot stand.


ETA: Kelli, you both miss and make my point. I posted in the same *manner* Catherine did, almost word for word but from a different perspective. I would never have posted in that way, personally, from my own 'fingers'. But Catherine did. And then she asked us to be peaceful. Obviously, that tone, when used by me, did not bring you any peace.

wowitsdark, you honestly do not get it. How many times must I say I have written the word peace a million times. I mention the word in any topic in any discussion, again your looking for trouble and trying to blame my usage of the word peace is wrong for me to start a thread. If I only mentioned the word peace in controversial issues, like this, or abortion, or racism, or politics, then I can possibly understand your point. But go back and in every possible topic of discussion I mention the word peace.. So your wrong. Peace. Catherine

I get it.

I get that words have meaning. That's why we choose them and use them.

I usually sign emails to my best girlfriends saying something like, "Later Days, Girlz!" I've typed it a thousand times, over and over.

But not always. If I've written something heavy, my closure is much less perky. Though I've typed it a million times, I'm aware of its meaning.

Your post was controversial and not likely to create peace... and I can't imagine you did not know that.

You asked for VIEWS. Now you say you want people who have a different view to simply say, "It's not for me," and nothing more.

Which is it?

Wowistdark you get it 100 percent, if someone else started this thread guarantee all these posts would not have occured, Face the facts as they are, you already said you cannot believe your ven engaging me in the subject, right there your comment spoke volumns. You cannot stand my usage of the word peace, again your choice. I am looking for views and again I personally would like someone just to say not for me, but if not, no problem. So can and will it end here questions answered. Can we get back to op and not my usage of peace????? Thanks so much. Peace. Catherine

Yes, wowitsdark DOES get it. You, however. are denser than and about as bright as a bagel.
1) I would have responded the same way to anyone, and I do mean anyone who decided to start this thread. Same thing if someone had brought up the topic of abortion, religion, breastfeeding vs. formula--or any other topic that is highly debatable, is oft time emotional and people's opinion is based on FEELINGS.
2) When you preach "PEACE" but practice controversy it's called being a hypocrit. That's what you do. It's like finding out your minister who end every service w/ "Peace to all" was the Grand Wizard of the local chapter of the KKK.

So, again--you are either intentionally trying to stir the pot, or you are dumber than dirt and don't even realize that this topic will stir the pot.

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Kelli, believe it or not, I am more about freedom than you might think.

If a gay person had a business and did not want to be forced to pay insurance benefits to heterosexual couples, but did, for whatever reason, want to help out the homosexual cause by offering homosexuals a 'hand up' by giving *only* homosexuals health and retirement benefits, I would like to think that they would have the right to do so.

As a person holding my very differing value set, I would have the right to work for them or not work for them.

I think that when we legally encumber other people to put forth time and effort to financially benefit something that they disagree with, that we are infringing on *their* rights to do with their time, resources, and efforts what they would like to do.

As an example... a business that wants to offer a matching gift plan to their employees has the right to specify *what* gifts they will match. I think that is GOOD and doesn't strip the business owner of any freedoms. If the business owner wants to leave things wide open and say they will match 2:1 any and all gifts to 501(c)(3) organizations, they are free to do so.

If the business owner is an athiest and wants to specify that the business will match donations to 501(c)(3)'s, excepting religious organizations, I believe he or she should have that right. I don't think the government should FORCE anyone to directly contribute their time, resources, and efforts to a cause they find morally reprehensable.

Enacting the rights associated with legal recognition of gay marriage will, in the name of consist application of laws, strip some people of rights that you may want them to keep.

I am totally loving the ignore buttom what a great wonderful feature. Peace. Catherine

I'll resist the urge to say "marilynk YOU GO GIRL you are so RIGHT it's 2009 and I can't believe anybody still thinks peace is a word to throw around like a beanbag toy!"......

and simply say, "I agree plain and simple."

Peace.

ETA: When it comes to social issues, marilyn, I rarely hold the same position you do, but I do appreciate that you don't allow shared positions to dictate whether or not you can identify whether someone is being reasonable or unreasonable. There are plenty of people I know whose moral/political/religious positions I agree with, but that I don't trust or that I don't find to be stable or reasonable people. I realize that you agree with the 'liberal' side of this coin, but I find it admirable that you aren't willing to 'play the game' that was started in this post just because you agree with the moral/legal premise of the poster.

wouldn't this be about the same level as supporting a store/ business/ company that sold things that you didn't approve of ?. What if you were told you HAD to shop at that 1 place because thats where your company did all it's trading at. Would this not be the same as saying a company MUST prove the same coverage to same sex marriages even if you as the owner didn't approve of what they are "selling " . It's a double standard is it not ?. You would never give a company your money because they promote something you morally disagree with,, but on the same hand you want people to support the rights of a couple you don't agree with.

The hypocrisy of writing Peace a thousand times while deliberately causing trouble has been explained to LUVLUCY420 over and over. It's a waste of time. She still insults everybody who doesn't agree with her views and eggs on other to do the same. Then she writes Peace, Peace, Peace in a vain attempt to show that she's just so nice. Of course her constant PEACE admonishments don't mitigate the insults she flings because writing Peace after the insults doesn't make a troublemaker peaceable - it just makes them a hypocrite. Her ridiculous contradiction of venom and rainbows was kind of funny in the beginning but it got old real fast.

She gets it - we all do. We know you've written the word peace a million times - we're just sick of the hypocrisy of it. You're an instigator - and instigators don't want peace. They want to cause trouble. You can write Peace a million times but since you do it while causing trouble the whole time and insulting other posters, it means nothing.

PEACE! PEACE! PEACE!

See, now you aren't supposed to take offence at anything I've said because I wrote the word PEACE. And we all know that writing Peace proves that the author is a peaceful, misunderstood person, don't we, Catherine? We should - you've characterized yourself as such often enough. LOL.

I wish someone could explain how starting this thread is causing trouble. It's not the thread -- it's the reaction of the usual "let me crap all over everything certain people say" posters that are stirring the pot.

If you don't like the thread, the answer is easy: don't respond to it.

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While I agree with your second paragraph (just ignore it, people!), do you seriously believe that the first paragraph is true? How many people do you put in the "usua"l group of which you speak? When do the needs of one outweight the best for the all? I'm really curious.....because I see things differently....and maybe my view is askew. I'm willing to hear how. I think there are a few crappers who tend to only come out with ill intent, but I think there's many others who are just regular old posters who come and participate in a lot of different areas who have grown bloody sick and tired of this crap...

(or maybe I should ask this in a seperate thread....but I don't really want to start a thread on this subject...pm me if you prefer)

cj/

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I'll PM you. This thread is already derailed by the piss-on-everything crowd.

However, just for the record, I'm not talking about the people who disagree with the OP-- but the people who are whining and moaning because she had the audacity to post the thread in the first place.

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WOW!
I am amazed that a thread took off this way. Do you ever wonder sometimes if people purposely pose questions that they KNOW will start arguements????

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I agree with every word you wrote -- thanks for saving me the time to post my thoughts.

Why is it any worse for the anti-gay marriage people to "have" to provide insurance benefits for gay couples than it was for racists to "have" to provide insurance benefits for mixed race couples?

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Just when I thought the cafe was getting boring. I saw this subject and poured myself a cup of coffee and said let the games begin.

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Not getting into the whole debate part of it BUT here is a solution for your argument about the medical decisions:

Medical Power of Attorney: What is a Medical Power of Attorney?
It is a document, signed by a competent adult, i.e., "principal," designating a person that the principal trusts to make health care decisions on the principal's behalf should the principal be unable to make such decisions. The individual chosen to act on the principal's behalf is referred to as an "agent."

Medical Power of Attorney


So with that simple piece of paper, that solves the issue of whether or not they can make medical decisions for their partner.

the power of attorney is actually stronger then and trumps marriage in most cases of dispute.
Many companies now offer domestic partner clauses for health insurance too.

This I think is a GREAT point:
"And Catherine, I can't believe I am engaging you, but the whole "health reasons" thing is bogus. If someone wants to be monogamous, a piece of paper won't change that. If someone is a cheater, a piece of paper won't change that. Regardless of their gender preference."

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Some say I say the word peace too much, however this thread started by me was proof once again, by the reactions of the members who dislike me, or better dislike my comments is so proof, that if someone else had started it, the outcome would be so much different. The members who dislike me proved it because they all came in and spoke and turned yet another thread I started into a Catherine/ peace./troublemaker post.... This thread turned out to be about 20 percent of the original title and discussion. The remaining 80 percent was about me... This is not a lie but 100 percent factual . I have been around these boards long enough to notice that the same people jump in all over my posts and totally turn the thread around 100 percent. I stand by my views, I stand yes I have read some of the bible, I am catholic. Have I read the entire Bible no, do I believe 100 percent in the Bible no I do not. However I do believe in God and I do believe God created us all and loves us all and is a forgiving God. His he happy with all our choices with out a doubt no way. However firmly I believe being Gay is not a choice just a different lifestyle. Peace. Catherine

To opal you may write the word peace , however you honestly do not mean it.It was just a matter of time before you came in and spoke your peace.... yeah really.. not.... just more trouble.... Peace I say it and mean, and again for 1000 time nothing has to be explained to me, facts are facts and proven again. There is a thread on here about a gunman shooting and killing people in Germany. Now I would think more people would have answered into that sad post. You did I see that, however only one person you answered it. Yet you would think that me asking for views would be less important that a thread about innocent killings do you or others not think. No , no way, forget about that innocent people were killed, lets jump all over iluvlucy/ Catherine's post it is more important. Now has that been explained can you understand that Opal???? and other????? The irony ??? Peace. Catherine

I think that most of us here can agree that the incident in Germany was horrific and there really isn't words to describe--thus there really isn't a whole lot to post. While it's horrific, I would assume that no one, or only a very few were actually personally touched by that tragedy. However, your topic of gay marriage actually probably touches quite a few of us. It's not a subject everyone agrees upon.
It really has nothing to do with you, contrary to what you may think.

I could not care less if gays are allowed to be legally joined in some sort of marriage or union. More power to them! They can't screw up the sancity of marriage any more than straights have. Many states recognize common-law marriages for straights, and gays should be allowed the same "freedom". With that said, a legal or religious ceremony does not a marriage make. The couple involved make the marriage.

From an insurance point of view (since that is where I have worked the longest)--we typically won't discuss a claim with a spouse or significant other (no matter what their sex is), but you can be guaranteed that I can and am required by law to discuss it w/ another person if they hold a durable medical or general power of attorney.

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On a side note - I've seen you post many times, that if people don't like your threads or posts, to put you on ignore and don't respond. But you take your own advice could do the same, you know? Don't respond in kind, or even respond at all. The "80%" of this thread that has become about you, IS some of your own doing by the continued replies. At least 6 posts by you in this thread were continuing the argument. Own up to your own part of the derailment of the thread.

For the topic - I've always lived under the motto, "Live and let live" - as long as no one gets hurt. Faith is a great thing, but all in all, we as a people don't have absolute proof of what God wants or expects of us. If he did, there would be no use for the word "Faith".

All I can think of is that there are so many types of people, so many races, creeds, etc. - so many differences. I can't imagine it's to teach us prejudice, hate and intolerance.

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I agree, Ambriana. A lot of people could be using that ignore button a whole lot more than they do.

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Gay marriage legal? Yes, it is legal in my state.

I know this will be blasphemy, but I'm not sure what the rush to get married is all about. If the divorce rate is any indication, it's not all it's cracked up to be! LOL

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Ignore really doesn't work if you're ignoring people that tend to stir the pot a lot because they get quoted all the time....and then it's like asking people not to look at the complete train wreck, but just the caboose.

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vote against love? People love materialistic things i.e. shoes, handbags and animals! Why should we have or need the power to judge who others love?

Because it affects society as a whole.

And that is a wonderful thing.

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How?
How does Joe loving and marrying John affect you? or me?
How does Mary living with Martha directly affect you? or me?

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Ya know ILL, sometimes I try imagine that you're just a troll. That you know exactly what you're doing and are at home laughing manically at the chaos you've created. Or that maybe you're really a right wing nutcase who posts like this to make us liberals look like morons.

Unfortunately, I think both are to much too hope for and that you really are as clueless as you seem.

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Do not take this literally, anyone....

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What the heck kind of troll is that? Is it a horse troll? Sorry, the number of legs and positioning is driving me nuts. I've never seen a troll like that.

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Mutant Troll!

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LOL. Ok I get it and yes it's very fitting here at mycoupons.

hehe at 1st I thought it meant Jackass Trolls

I believe whatever rocks your boat!!!!

NOpe no troll here been here since 2000 and only with the iluvlucy420 one name since then. Cjs I proved you wrong both you and Marilynk. I sent a pm to both of you to say I would put you on ignore, since it hurts you both too much to read my posts. I asked if you truly do not like me, you would ignore me also, which would include any quotes that are brought up by other members and I asked lets see who cannot post into a thread about someone they do not like. Obviously at this point between the 3 threads you both have continued to post comments about me, why , why would you do that if you have me on ignore. I sincerely thought the purpose of ignore was for just that ignore.. Again I am the troll, I am the one causing problems. Not me... Peace. Catherine

couple of things: 1) I have never in my entire time here received a PM from you. Either you are lying, or you don't know how to send a PM. I vote you are lying. Unfortunately, I can't prove it.
2) I thought you said you had me on ignore. Hmmmmm....tad bit hypocritical dontcha' think?

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Well Ambrianna I do have cjs216 and marilynk on ignore yet time and time again, they continue to post a comment about me, yet they claim to have me on ignore. If they truly did not like me and have me on ignore then why keep posting a comment about me. Why to stir up more trouble. As far as me you said I continued the fight, at this point, I will not still down nor stand back and let people who dislike me so much to continue to make trouble. I have taken enough about my grammar, being called a immigrant. Also being told I am Kathy aka Ohhgodd because my name is Catherine and hers was Kathy. To now being called a weird type of a troll. I have been a member since 1999 10 years with one name and one name only. So tell me Ambrianna if I start another post, what do you think honestly will happen. I can guarantee you that the same members will come in and hyjack it and tear it to threads. It is a known fact and I am plain sick. If this members do not like me, then use the ignore button. However both cjs216 and Marilynk have it but they still post into my threads. Also a final question there are many many members here, how come it is the same ladies who have hatred for me and my peace?????/ Catherine

Hahahaha on the mutant troll horse....I thought it looked a little bit like a "My Little Troll Pony". But hey, our MC trolls are a special and unique breed, wouldn't ya say?

I also have not received a PM from ILL on the subject matter referenced...just for the record.

cj/

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WHY IS THAT A BAD THING????
The fact that you got so defense and angry over being called an immigrant just pisses me off. There's nothing wrong with being an immigrant! Many people have been and many more will continue to be.

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Oh...she knows exactly what she is doing. Nobody can be so dumb to not know that certain topics are contoversial and are going to cause problems. Puhleeeze.

Many of us see her posts and just wait for the sparks to fly and rarely say a word. Several people call her on it and get labelled as trouble makers for her or as her stalkers. Not only does she post on controversial subjects continuously trying to stir the pot, she also says things in a way that her opinion is gospel and anyone with a differing opinion is an idiot.(all you had to do was watch the political board during the election). Then, when people post differing opinions, she doesn't like it. She really doesn't want anyone elses differing opinion, she wants us to all agree with her and....she just wants to stir the pot.

We all have different strong opinions/convictions/beleifs on many controversial topics. It is doubtful that anyone is going to change their mind on their stand on something because of what someone said on an internet shopping board. You can't keep posting about controversial topics and expect everyone to agree with you and not think you are a troll. It is one thing to bring up a controversial topic once in a while just to have some lively discussion....knowing that we won't all agree. BUT...to do this continually...she knows exactly what she is doing...and then acts all innocent. Puhleeeze.

Anyone want to talk peanut butter, crayons, or breast feeding????

Amy
(usually just a fairly "peaceful" observer of this circus)

Can't you just ignore them, they way you keep saying they should ignore you? That's the part I don't get. You keep on it and on it and on it just as much as everyone else, so it seems pretty tit for tat from where I'm sitting.

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It looks like there are a few new (vocal) members of the "haters" club. At some point, if one was not specifically looking for this exact sort of treatment, it would seem to me that one has to look inward as to why one might be evoking the same response and feeling from such a diverse set of people.

I'm just saying...

cj/

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Ambrianna your so right, end of subject. But please please remember these posts and remember them well. Until at least I start another thread and lets see what happens okay. I sincerely appreciate your time. Peace . catherine