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Georgetown University Hid Religious Symbols at White House Request - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

"at the request of the White House Staff"
That man just swore in on what we were lead to believe was a BIBLE for crying out loud! Props when it's convenient?


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Why would you expect that Obama have religious symbols displayed when giving a policy speech?

Maybe they used the Qur’an to swear him in.

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If Vegetarians eat Vegetables. Do Humanitarians eat Humans?

'Vegetarian' is an old Native American word for bad hunter.

interfers with the reception of God walking him through the speech :-)

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Really? Muslims believe in God.. they don't believe in Jesus though.

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If Vegetarians eat Vegetables. Do Humanitarians eat Humans?

'Vegetarian' is an old Native American word for bad hunter.

Doesn't surprise me at all. I believe we're just seeing the beginnings of what this administration has in store.

If they had been left there, other's would have been in an uproar about that. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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The White House insisted that the move was made only to provide a proper setting for the speech -- and said that "any suggestions to the contrary are simply false."

Though his advance team asked that the religious signs be veiled, the president himself took up religious discourse and discussed a passage from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount as he outlined his plans for an economic recovery.

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Seriously?

It's a Catholic University...What did his staff expect? Eric Cartman posters?

I think covering up the IHS is totally disrespectful. I'm surprised the University allowed it.

BTW - I don't think it was done at Obama's request.

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Ah, Fox news.....all the news that's fit to print ....if you're a conservative. :P

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You obviously don't ever watch Fox News. It's not as biased as you tink. I suppose you think Chris Matthews and Keith Obermann aren't biased to the left too!

I'm afraid Christian bashing will greatly increase in the next 4 years. I wish Notre Dame would cancel him and/or not give him the honorary degree. For what it's worth, my great uncle, Rev. Robert J. Henle, SJ, was President of Georgetown from 1969-1976. Of course, they are Jesuits which tend toward the liberal side.... I have some of the books on Latin that he has written over the years. Just a fun side note!

I watch it once in awhile. It's nothing but bias.

Faux News, proud sponsor of the tea bag parties.

I wonder if they'd be squawking if Muslim symbols had been covered.

Funny.

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Obama got 54% of the Catholic vote.

Oh, all this sturm and drang over "Christian bashing." As real as a unicorn.

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I agree -- it's a Catholic Univ. they should never bow to these requests. Move the venue if the background is deemed inappropriate by some but don't hide your basic, fundamental, core belief! Shame on Georgetown (and Notre Dame for that matter). I hope the Pope gives them both a big ole slap on the wrist for these shenanigans.

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"We must love them both--those whose opinions we share and those whose opinions we reject. For both have labored in the search for truth, and both have helped us in the finding of it."
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I'm soooo glad CNN isn't biased or antagonistic towards conservatives. They certainly never let THEIR opinions show.

YouTube - CNN Reporter Blames Hostile Anti CNN Tea Party Crowd on Fox News

That reporter was pretty antagonistic. Why ask the guy a question and then not allow him to answer?

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Yup. I know that liberals like to pretend there is no liberal bias in the non-Fox media, and I also know that that reporter was far less covert than many, but it was evident what her core beliefs are and then when the main newscaster back at the home office responded to the report, her true colors were showing as well. They had nothing but disdain for the conservative movement, and they were unable to hide it.

So much for 'just reporting the facts' on CNN...

From 2001 to 2005, I heard nothing from the MSM other than conservative talking points. Dissent was considered unAmerican.

The CNN reporter had been severely harrassed by the teabaggers for quite some time. All I see is a woman at the end of her rope. An earlier tea party harrassed the local Fox reporters.

Fox did not cover these protests as a news organization. They promoted the event.

Liberal bias is a myth.

If it makes you feel better to see it that way... go right ahead!

Regardless of who is "reporting," I can't believe they considered this noteworthy. I guess it's easier and cheaper than providing investigative reporting on important events around the world.

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You mean see it the way it is? Wow, thanks.

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Unfortunately, I'm afraid you're right. I have felt since before the election that if he got into office we would be in for trouble. I just have a really uneasy feeling.
Here's hoping we're both wrong.

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Pride commeth... and all that jazz.

I don't understand what about Obama makes people so willing to buy into the most ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Ignorance, prejudice, blindness?

Anyone who would trust Bush/Cheney and distrust Obama is not playing with a full deck IMO. Anyone who trusted Bush or Cheney is not playing with a full deck, period.

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truble I loved your last post you said it all. I know I said I would not talk politics and have done so however your last post was everything I feel and believe as well so thanks. Peace. CAtherine

Yes, a lot of Catholics have been led down the wrong path..... Catholics are to vote Prolife first and foremost. It's a non-negotiable when choosing whom to vote for. The economy, war, etc... come behind the abortion issue. I am sad that more Catholics don't realize it.

Full decks?

Do you two really want to go down that road?

I think not...

[quote=kathytheshopper;3195761]Yes, a lot of Catholics have been led down the wrong path..... Catholics are to vote Prolife first and foremost. It's a non-negotiable when choosing whom to vote for. The economy, war, etc... come behind the abortion issue. I am sad that more Catholics don't realize it.[/QUOTE

Maybe that's a tough choice for some; choosing between the life of a living, breathing human being and a clump of cells.

And it seem terribly, sadly, black and white for others.

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[quote=kvmj;3195799]YOU and all the others you are worrying about were clumps of cells too. Maybe you don't know that at 6-8 weeks a fetus has it's own fingerprints, etc...IT's heart is beating too! It may be a tough choice, but it's the right choice. Doing the right thing is not always easy.

ahhhh...You keep bringing up choice kathy! Have you not figured out that's what some people are actually FOR!? It's not about whether they think an abortion is "right" or "wrong" but rather that a woman should have the CHOICE to have an abortion or to have 18 kids.

CHOICE! I don't know anyone that advocates abortion. I've had one and don't advocate IN FAVOR OF ABORTIONS. I do advocate that every woman should be given the opportunity to make the choice whether she wants to terminate a pregnancy or carry to term. And you are correct doing the RIGHT thing isn't always the easiest, but who are you or the government to dictate what is RIGHT for me or any other woman faced with the situation.

If you take away a woman's choice on abortion, then next the government could mandate that a woman could only have 2 kids. They would be limiting women's fertility. Do we, as a nation, really want to go down that road?

Seriously, you are a hypocrit. There, I said it. It's not a "personal attack", it's a statement of fact. CHOICE is ok, as long as you agree with it. But, if you don't agree with the CHOICE then it's wrong.

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sigh.. the issue of abortion keeps coming up.

You fail (or don't care) to understand the other side that believes that Choice is being taken away from the life that is formed at conception. That some believe that abortion is murder and that no one should have the choice to commit murder.

Anyway as far as Catholics .. the Pope has made the Catholic church postion very clear since the first of this year on abortion. A lot of what "kathytheshopper" has posted falls right in line with the Catholic teachings.
"kathytheshopper" is not as out-there as some would like to paint her to be.

I didn't say she was "out there", and I firmly believe that she has the right to believe what she believes. She chooses to believe that life begins at conception. That's her CHOICE.
The difference is, although I disagree with her, I would never campaign to have her choice taken away--simply because I think she's wrong! Just like the Duggars and their how many ever kids--I think they are wrong. However, I would defend their right to make those kind of personal choices.
I don't necessarily agree that a priest can absolve you of your sins (I'm thinking that probably needs to come from God...) but, once again--I would defend each and every person's right to believe that a priest can absolve them of their sins. WHY? Because I believe every one has to make choices in their life. And who am I, a fallible human to take away certain choices--like what religion to practice, how many kids to have (or not have), to be vegetarian or carnivore!? I don't have to agree with a choice to defend your right to have that choice.

Why is THAT so hard to understand?
You can't preach freedom of choice---as long as the choices fall in line w/ your beliefs. That is called hypocritical thinking.

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We are not a Christian nation. We most certainly are not a Catholic nation. If you're a Catholic, follow Catholic doctrine.

The Pope cannot write our laws.

Marilynk-the problem with choice is that in the abortion case "choice" is taking a life. Many people find this morally objectionable. If you are pro choice you agree that it's ok for a woman to abort her baby. To me, that makes you pro abortion. I believe it is more hyprocritical to say "I would never have an abortion personally but I think it should be legal". It's the same logic as "I would never beat my child as a method of discipline but I can't tell other parents they can't if they feel their child needs it". Having children, like the Duggars, is totally different then killing your unborn child. Being a vegetarian, practicing whatever religion you choose does not have to do with the death of a child. There are choices and then there are CHOICES. They do not all bear the same weight.

Thank you. You are so eloquent!

Those of us who advocate choice understand your position. My position is that a clump of cells does not have the same value as a living, breathing human being.

Taking the life of even one living, breathing human being is a much greater offense than all the abortions obtained since time began. I also consider the quality of life for the woman. If she cannot afford a child, she has the right to an abortion.

At the same time, if Catholics feel that it's wrong to have an abortion, they are free to bear it.

I think, too, given that I believe we have a "Maker" and that ultimately it is the perspective of the Creator that matters, that this is not a matter of 'opinion'.

Either life HAS begun at conception, or it hasn't.

If it hasn't, it's just a clump of dead, non-mitosis-ing, non-growing stuff.

If it has, something is happening.

I realize that on *this* side of eternity whether or not life has begun may be opinion.

But I also believe that there is One - the one who set the stars in the heavens and the one who created the whole 'life' process that has the definitive answer. One with whom the buck stops and the one who is the author of life.

One day, we'll all know, unquestionably, when life begins. And at that time, I'd rather meet my maker having erred on the side of not possibly being guilty of the cessation of a growing life. And I'd rather err of the side of defending the existence of life, rather than defending the right to snuff it out if that suits some among the living.

eta: kvmj, from my POV, I can't define 'value' based upon the convenience or desires of the breathing. From a religious POV (which I realize you do not share), if I believe that there is a soul attached to that group of cells from the moment conception occurs and specific DNA is formed - DNA like that of no other individual, that is growing and dividing more rapidly than it ever will at any other point during development... if there is a soul/spirit that is already a *part* of that life, to snuff that out is to kill life.

And that action isn't something I could advocate for myself or anyone else.

That is most assuredly true; I am not Catholic. I think that the soul enters with the first breath. Until that first breath is taken, the fetus is only potential life.

What?

So anyone who is pro-choice should have an abortion in order to not be a hypocrite?


I am pro-choice, but find it very unlikely that I would ever have an abortion unless my life was in danger. I don't see why that should make me believe that every other women should do the same.

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So, all you anti-choicers, what do you think of Sarah Palin's confession last week that she considered aborting Trig?

And how can she claim to be proud of Bristol's "choice," when Palin would like to take that choice away from every woman?

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I don't smoke, but I don't think I should fight to make it illegal. Does that make me a hypocrite?

I bet you right now there are numerous soldiers who don't agree w/ the reasons for the war, but they continue to put their lives on the line. Does that make them a hypocrite?

I wear my seatbelt every time I'm in a moving vehicle, but I don't think I should force others to (unless of course they are in my car and I can get a ticket for them not wearing a seatbelt). Does that make me a hypocrite?

While I am not "for" abortions, I can tell you with 100% certainty that when I had mine--I did the absolute right thing. Had I been forced to remain pregnant I would have killed myself. I chose poorly in the man that I had sex with. I was "in love" and chose to ignore the fact that he was an addict. I was young, stupid and completely alone. I did pray, I did seek out my God. I found comfort and assurance from my God for the decision I made.
I would hate to think that outlawing abortions could condemn a young woman to a life w/ a child that she didn't want, couldn't care for (emotionally or financially) and/or forced her to feel that she had to stay w/ a man that was abusive or an addict or she didn't love.

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I thought about bringing that up..............

What do I think about it? Thinking about doing something and doing it are two completely different things. We all have dark thoughts from time to time -- we just don't all act on them. In other words, we choose to act in a way that affirms life rather than destroy it.

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"We must love them both--those whose opinions we share and those whose opinions we reject. For both have labored in the search for truth, and both have helped us in the finding of it."
Saint Thomas Aquinas

I also think that every child should be wanted. Some would always resent being forced to bear a child and treat the child accordingly.

There is adoption. There are many choices out there other than the scenerios you proposed. Taking responsibilty for your life choices should not include killing an innocent. You said you would have killed yourself-you might be 99% sure you would have done that but who knows at the very last second? We cannot predict the future. People have been born under the most dire circumstances and have thrived. I feel sad for you that you were that desperate and saw that as the only choice.
To the other poster-of course I don't think anyone who is prochoice should have an abortion. That thought is illogical. I know prochoicers don't support the idea of telling anyone and everyone to get an abortion. But supporting the legal choice to kill your child, imho, means you are pro abortion.
Concerning Sarah Palin. I'm sure that a lot of pro-lifers would go through the thought process of "oh my gosh how am I going to handle this child", etc... Just because you process thoughts doesn't mean that much. How many people have been so mad at their spouse, for example, and thought "I could just kill him"? Does that mean they would do it or approve of it? No. Did they think about it, if even for a moment? Possibly. She's actually a realistic role model for pro-lifers. She's had to deal with a handicapped child and a teenager who got pregnant. We now have two lives saved by prolife views.

Maybe people should be responsible enough to not put themselves in that situation in the first place?
At what point is it not a child kvmj? Do you have children? At what point in a pregancy would they be your child? What is you miscarry at 7 months gestation? Still a clump to you?

marilyn, with all due respect, the 'condemning someone to a child they don't want' thing... well, there are a boatload of things people are 'condemned' (such a harsh word, btw) to that are entirely out of their control. Entirely. My son brought a friend home from an activity the other night who has CP (or rather, invited him over and his parents brought him, given that we don't have a wheelchair accessible vehicle). Bless that kid's heart... talk about 'condemned'. No muscle control, wheelchair bound, totally dependent on others for so very much of what he needs to do... My husband has been 'condemned' to a life without some sports he loves because his joints can't perform for him anymore. My daughter has been 'condemned' to a life without some activites she would like to do because of a severe injury she suffered at age five. My mother is condemned to a life without my dad in it...

And that which does not kill you makes you stronger.

I know far too many adults who came out of rough situations and 'bad' families who were, by those very upbringings, motivated to be much more than *I* am, with my white picket fence upbringing. They are glad to be here despite the bad beginnings they suffered through.

We have (if my count is correct) 13 nephews/nieces/cousins who were adopted into our family. Raising them would not have been workable for their biological parents, and had they exercised that 'choice' to abort, those wonderful relatives that I love so much (well, most of 'em -lol) wouldn't even exist.

If one of the arguments against the death penalty is that, "Well, you might accidentally kill just ONE person who didn't deserve to die, so we need to protect ALL of them!", then I don't see much difference in saying, "Because SOME of the pre-born babies probably won't have good lives, we should leave our options open and it's not a big deal if SOME who would have been born and had fabulous futures don't get to take a first breath."

I've often thought what a weird irony it would be if when it's all over (the world, that is), those who aborted children were informed that they were carrying the one that was equipped with the ability to find the cure for cancer... or was to have won the presidency as a Democrat in 2004... or to have cured AIDS....

Twisted, I know.... but by all accounts, Barak Obama's mother fit the profile of a woman who wasn't necessarily going to have an easy go of things, she had a baby she didn't plan for. And aren't YOU glad she did?

One can

If a woman miscarries at 7 months, it never was a child. The mother may have wanted a child, but she didn't get one.

Perhaps we should bring back the scarlet letter.

OH PUHLEASE!
Don't feel sad for me. I wasn't "desperate" nor did I see that as my only choice. I knew what choices were available to me. I made an extremely informed decision. I made a decision that I could live with. I didn't want a baby. I didn't want to be a mother, then adding in the fact that the male half was a drug addict....If I hadn't had the choice I would died one way or another.

I detest the argument of "well, you could be aborting the person who cures cancer"...yeah, and I could be aborting the next Ted Bundy.

I guess the short of it is: I understand and respect the opinion that life begins at conception. Please understand and respect my opinion. I don't try to foist my opinion on you by prohibiting your choices, please do the same for me.

If you outlaw abortion, then you need to outlaw IVF. It's the same principle: Undoing what is perceived as the natural order of things.
If you force a woman to carry a fetus to term, then let's start enforcing limits on how many children a woman can have (and punish any woman who gets pregnant one time too many by making her carry to term, then taking the child away from her at birth....)

I realize that my opinion could be wrong. I will deal with that. But, I would not presume to force my way of thinking and make laws to make me feel happy.

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Somewhere it took a Left Turn...

The thread was about a visitor asking the place he was visiting to cover up their fundamental belief symbols.


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That is sooooo insulting to anyone who has lost a child during pregnancy. I can't even begin to think of anything to say to someone who thinks that way. I guess a stillborn baby at 9 months isn't a baby either. What is this world coming to?? Scary.

Sadly I think you are both right.....I am so afraid of what he is going to do to this country...So far all I have seen him doing is going to other countries bowing to their kings, taking gifts to tyrannts like Castro and Chavez and dissing the United states for all the mistakes we have made...He is trying to make pretty with all the other countries who HATE us and always have. I think he has forgot he is the ( and this pains me to say it) President of the United States not President of the middle east....God help us...And he really is the only one who can....Sherri

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You wrote that you would have killed yourself had you had to continue the pregnancy. If that's not desperate I don't know what is!
Sure you can outlaw IVF. That's fine with me.
Forcing someone to continue a pregancy has nothing to do with putting limits on pregnancy, etc... You aren't forcing someone to get pregnant. The pregnancy has already started. You are terminating something that has begun. There is a big difference.

Neither would ever have been a child.

Obama has done nothing new in his dealings with heads of state. Every President has done exactly the same thing. Chavez gave him a book. What did Castro give him? Bush was admittedly a little different with his swagger and my way or the highway attitude.

Many of these countries hate us because of Bush. With Castro, it's been a mutual hatefest since the 60s. How many times did we try to assasinate him?

Obama has a lot to repair. France was starting to hate us.

What you're worried about is just another faux controversy cooked up for you by the willing commentators at Faux News.

What you are failing to understand is: Where does one draw the line? If legislation prohibits abortion, then it is just a matter of time before lawmakers look at other things that are personally offensive to them or to some of their "people". Furthermore, prohibiting abortions or IVF only directly effects one sector of society: WOMEN

I certainly understand and respect the opinion that you have stated of life beginning at conception. I think that you have focused on just a small aspect of the issue.

And what I meant was if I had not had the choice, I would have ended my life. I misspoke.

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OH PLUUUUUEEEEZZZZZZ These countries have hated us for decades, if you believe it only started with Bush, I have some swamp land in Fl. for ya.......Look at some US history books and then get back with me.....You blame Fox News...dont you think its funny that no other networks even carried the tea parties and if they did, it was a 30 second segment...and you are calling Fox News biased??????? They just carried the news unlike the liberal Obama news stations, they ignorned.......Sherri

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What??? A woman 7 months into pregnancy -- it is definitely a child! I should know. I had twin sons at 7 months. They were breathing on their own at the very beginning. And guess what? They're 25 years old now.

Heck, woman have babies a lot earlier than that and they're babies -- breathing, living babies.

I guess you need to tell them they aren't human! lol lol That was a very sad statement that other poster made.

I know we are off topic but seriously abortion/IVF only directly affect women?? Hardly. Your logic is the slippery slope and it's happening, only backwards....Once we look at a fetus as "cells" we devalue life which will eventually lead us to assisted suicide, selective abortions if the child has any abnormality, designer babies, embryos made solely for testing, etc... I can ask all you "choicers" where your lines are. Mine are completely clear.

That really depends on your definition of "breath". A fetus doesn't breath air into its lungs, or even amniotic fluid, it does however respirate - there is an exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide at the placental interface with the mom. Every living creature uses some means of oxidation/reduction reaction to live in order to use its food for energy. The same is true for a fetus, it needs oxygen like all living things do.

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Wow.

That's the least humane thing I think I have ever read on these boards.

Wow. The President of the Untied States reaching out to countries and their people with understanding instead of vitriol. What a Christian thing to do!

He better be very careful who he is cozying up to. Our country depends on it.

Then President needs to be LOYAL to the United States,he sets there as our country is trashed and he says nothing.....he needs to stand up for the legacy of the US, the power of the US, the fact that we had men who bled and died for our freedom, we havent lived under dicatorship.....Chavez just called Barack an ignormous a month ago and now he is playing nice with him....He is making the US appear weak and making it appear that he agree's with them, that everything the US has ever done has been a mistake. While I will say we have made mistakes, the biggest one ever is that we elected this bozo who cant speak without a teleprompter, and bows to dictators who hate our guts.......I guess he is going to have diplomatic conversations with people who hate the US so bad they will strap on a bomb and blow themselves up or fly airplanes into buildings....by the time his 4 years is up, he will have this country into a lot worse mess than we have ever been in before......I am sure Castro and Chavez laugh behind his back as soon as he is gone...He is making a fool of himself and the United States.....and we will pay for it in more ways than one.....I can just see Truman listening to someone trash the US,he would have never sat there and just took it......God help us all, he IS the only hope we have.....Standing for right is the Christian thing to do.........Sherri

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Do the scary dictator types that Obama is befriending ever have moments of self-deprication on behalf of THEIR nations like Obama does on behalf of all of us?

Seriously.

It's like Barney Fife meets Jeffry Dauhmer (sp?) and says, "Well Gee Willakers, ya know I lied to Andy's Aunt Bea once and that was a right embarassin' thing to've done. Gosh, Jeff, I sure hope you don't hold my awful misdeeds against me."

That's right. We sure want Chavez to think we're nice people because gosh... there is so much about him that is impressive, honest, respectable, and just plain heartwarming.

Good posts Sher and wowitsdark! Couldn't agree with you more!

Apparently the thought of the president acting like a smart, caring, decent human causes some people's brains to explode! I admit, it's a novelty after the past eight years.

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It might seem that way from your POV, but you couldn't be more wrong. Have you ever been to Europe? Did you find hostility there? I didn't think so.

When Clinton went to South America, he was greeted by adoring crowds. When Bush went, he was greeted with protests.

It makes a difference.

Except Barney Fife is no longer in office.

And, unlike his VP, Darth Vader, Barney Fife has the good sense and graciousness to keep his trap shut.

I suspect even Barney knows what a disaster he was.

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I understand Obama's tactics. . .what he is trying to do with these guys, but I sure hope he's right. It's like trying to make nice with somebody that's your enemy. . .like somebody that's pointing a gun at you. It might work, or they may just shoot you in the back right after they smiled to your face. I certainly wouldn't feel too comfortable if that nut Chavez had a gun pointed at me, and I wouldn't turn my back on him, that's for sure! KWIM

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He's trying to undo the damage. He's hardly naive. Take comfort in the fact that he's intelligent enough for the job.

I'm not so sure about that. I think he legitimizes Chavez. . .and possibly only emboldens him. Chavez is nuts. . and let me share a little story with you. Growing up I had a friend, her Dad was a psychitrist. He gets a call one night to go out with the police to pick up this known, elderly crazy (for the lack of a better word) man. Her Dad had contact and a working relationship with this man before, so he goes on the call. He goes up to the door, tells him, "It's Dr. So-and -so." The guy opens the door and shoots him point blank, killing him. So very sad. BUT the moral of the story is that her Dad was doing everything that made sense. . .taking the "I'm here to work with you approach". . .but that doesn't always play out the way we think it will.

ETA-this thread has gotten way off topic. . .so I think that asking for the IHC to be covered up was just plain dumb. If you don't want that shown behind you. . .then bring your own backdrop or pick a different venue.

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Maybe the moral of your story is that crazy people shouldn't have guns. That would be a common sense solution.

I don't think that Chavez is crazy. He was democratically elected twice. If you want to deal with Venezuela (they have oil), you have to deal with Chavez.

Whadda ya know? Wonders never cease.

A liberal suggesting we suck up to foreign leaders so we can get at their oil.

I think he's crazy......like a fox.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

Makes more sense than invading a country to steal it.

I'm sorry - you'll have to remind me exactly whose oil we have stolen.