I cannot imagine the horror New Yorkers felt yesterday when Air Force One decided to do a photo-op!!! There are videos of people running out of buildings in panic and screaming. Dumb idea, Mr. President!

President Obama calls Air Force One flyover 'mistake' day after low-flying plane terrifies New York


"OBAMA: It was a mistake, as was -- as was stated. It was something, uh, we found out about, uh, along with all of you, and, uh, it will not happen again."

You are making me laugh with all the uhs in your sentence.

I have but one word and I use it very strongly: S T U P I D

ok, another word: senseless.

So the Pres gets his own plane, why does he/they/whoever feel the need to flaunt it? What a waste of money again, fly a plane for a photo op.

Sorry, i uh, realize, uh, that was more than, uh, one word.

dl

It certainly wasn't Obama's idea to send the plane on a photo op. I didn't know that he has more than one plane at his disposal.

Seriously? You didn't realize there was more than one Air Force 1??

I don't think this was thought of, or approved by the POTUS. I think Mr. President probably was in the dark about the whole thing...I, uh, well you know, uh I could, ummm be wrong.

I agree that it was just stupid, stupid, stupid!

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Can you imagine if GW had done that!!!!!!

Very stupid!


Did anyone see Jon Stewart's bit about it last night? If not here it is...

Mistakes on a Plane | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

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He wasn't in the dark about it.

The POTUS is informed of the absence of one of his planes each time one of them becomes unavailable. There are typically several contingency plans in case of an emergency, and he might have to take one or the other, and is informed when one of them is out of service because that means that the contingency option that would require the use of that plane is not an option until the plane returns.

I have to think someone in his administration absolutely knew that it would cause panic. His staff, the FAA, air traffic controllers... there are many, many people who have to be 'in on' a flight like that, and never in a million years will I believe that none of those people mentioned the fear factor that was going to cause.

My question is WHY the White House needs a photo of Air Force One in front of the Statue of Liberty. It cost a third of a million dollars for a PICTURE! How many failing mom and pop shops could've been saved by that much cash? I realize they aren't the same budget - I'm just pointing out the sheer waste and the fact that politicians need to buy a clue. That is a LOT of money for a photo that is entirely unnecessary. It's not like they are selling tickets for rides on AF1. I think the most recent release of PhotoShop would've served them well and cost a little less.

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic - wcbstv.com

Sheer lunacy. It was a top military adviser that planned this. What kind of idiots did he appoint?

He's just playing with his new toys....he is entitled.

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Gosh, can someone say photoshop????? Wow...he is so not my president...

Entitlement is the mantra of this administration.

That's absurd.

Funny how no one yells and screams about the guy in Bloomberg's admin. that knew about the flyover and didn't even bother to tell Bloomberg about it. It was a stupid thing to do, but it's wasn't Obama's fault, any more than it was Bloomberg's. What's really stupid is pretending that it was Obama's idea, when it's clear he didn't know anything about it. Why don't you go ahead and blame Nancy Pelosi for it, too, while you're at it? Harry Reid? Oh, don't forget to blame that angry Michelle Obama, she probably did it just because she thought it would be fun! <insert heavy sarcasm here>

But back to your regularly scheduled Obamabashing. I know how you all enjoy it so!

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Truble, it was his administration that was responsible. Obama hires and appoints these people. The buck stops with him. Bloomberg absolutely should have been told, but it is clear that the Obama appointees who planned this nifty stunt had strongarmed everyone and their uncle into keeping mum, and by all accounts Bloomberg would have been powerless to stop it OR to tell the public even if he had been told.

On one hand, I absolutely understand why you wouldn't want the public to know that the vehicle that carries the POTUS was going to be flying over town. That plane was so low that it could have been hit by weaponry that members of the public are known to possess. No reason to give anyone with a rocket launcher time to ready the ammo. I completely get that.

But for the love of all that have brain cells, why on earth did they even NEED to spend A THIRD OF A MILLION DOLLARS on a SOUVENIR PHOTO!? Obama is telling America that it's time government tightens its belt, just like our citizens are doing. All the while, a guy right underneath his nose - a guy he appointed, is willy-nilly scheduling photo ops for an airplane. Has that man no brains to think it is acceptable to not only be so wasteful, but to do that in New York of all places?

Talk about instilling fear in the American people.

I think Obama knew it was going to happen. I assume that he underestimated the stupidity of his underlings, assuming they had taken all the proper precautions. He probably said, "Cool!" when they told him what was on the schedule for his plane that day, rather than, "How much will that set us back?"

Let's be clear here: The guy who arranged this is running our MILITARY.

Do I feel safer today than I did a year ago? Not on your life.

Seriously Truble what would you have said if this was done under the Bush administration??????

**Silence**

I totally agree with everything you have said here!!

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As POTUS he is the Commander in Chief. Therefore, it IS his fault. He is in charge of all the military under him, basically. Much like the Commanding Officer is at fault if his/her ship runs aground or hits another ship. While he/she is not "at the wheel", he/she is held responsible for whatever happens on their ship. YES, Pres. Obama should be held accountable for this.

I too, would like to know, what would be said if this were President Bush's administration that did this???

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Seriously??? Wow.....oh yeah, it's cuz he's the chosen one isn't it?

If GWB had done this, the crap would have hit the fan BIG TIME.

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Talk about exaggeration. Bush tortured people and started and spent billions on a war that shouldn't have been fought. That is perfectly ok with most of you. But have an Obama underling make a mistake in judgment and let the mouth foaming begin. You don't know who ordered this, or what arms, if any, were twisted.

As long as exaggeration seems to be the topic of choice here, how do we know that it wasn't some high ranking officer who dislikes Obama and planned this to make him look bad? That's certainly as viable a scenario as the others mentioned in this thread. I think Cheney is behind it. Or maybe Rove. I don't think the military is that fond of Rummy so it probably wasn't him. No I'm still liking Cheney for this. It's all a right-wing plot to rile up the base and get them out there spouting the correct "talking points."

What's the deal with waterboarding anyway. A Fox new correspondent did it and there's film of it. Sean Hannity said he would do it to raise money for a charity. All this torture talk is boring........After all, the other side just cuts peoples heads off and puts it online.

Facts simply don't matter to the Obamabashers -- which, really, doesn't bother me. Just shows their character. The same kind of people that think waterboarding is no biggie jump on Obama because someone way under him did something really stupid.

There's no way to make sense of these people. If you agree that it was a stupid thing to do, they get angry because you blame everything involved -- don't you know that this is ONLY Obama's fault? Through the looking glass around here, business as usual.

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Well, then I vote Kathy for the next person to be waterboarded if it isn't such a big deal. I don't think it will be boring for you.

Waterboarding is not against the Geneva convention but it is cruel and it is torture. We don't torture people. That is the other side who "cuts off people's heads and puts it online". They are the ones who torture. America has always put ourselves above that type of thing and we despise those people who do torture. That is a definition of hypocritical.

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I'd donate money to the RNC (or any charity of her choice) in Kathy's name to see that happen. I suspect, like Sean Hannity, she'd chicken out because -- surprise! -- waterboarding IS a big deal.

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I was simply responding to the poster saying his being ENTITLED to PLAY WITH HIS NEW TOYS. AF1 is NOT a toy to be played with like a model airplane. Anyone with half a brain should know that. And no I don't know who ordered this photo op, never said I did.

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Waterboarding is torture. No doubt about it all. Not only is it torture, it's illegal.

We actually tried and hung Japanese soldiers for waterboarding our soldiers after WWII.

I look forward to Hannity undergoing this procedure. Maybe he could also volunteer to be hung by his wrists from the ceiling, naked, wet down periodically in a room kept at around 30 degrees for 4 or 5 days.

We are actually obliged to prosecute.

Okay having lived in New York all my life and personally lived through 9/11 and know just how scary it was to view those planes flying into the towers, it was a scary scene to witness. Was it right, was it scary was Obama to blame either way it was not right. Is President Obama perfect no way, at least I can admit that, while I totally voted for him and I know I voted for the right person. He will and his admininstration will make mistakes and no always do the right thing or make the correct decision. Who ever make the decision to fly so low was wrong and out and out scary especially here in NYC where 9/11 occurred and will be remembered forever. Now with all this being said can someone kindly and I ask kindly admit that ex President Bush was not perfect and he made some serious bad choices as a president that caused this wonderful country America I call home to be in such a state of mess.... If you want just start with the war, while the plane flying so low was extremely scary and terribly in poor judgement, by far no one got hurt not died. However please please remember the ongoing war in Iraq where we do not belong and where millions of so many innocent people have lost their lives, can someone kindly admit it was wrong,,, please???. Thanks so much... May we never forget the victums of 9/11 and their families and may we also never forget all the lost lives in Iraq both here and aboard.... Peace to them all and their families... Catherine

Note to self. Find funding to open a waterboarding store. Provide classes, equipment and instructions for those who feel the need to indulge. One stop shopping for the waterboarding elite or for those novices who want to find out what's boring and what's not. Perhaps the perfect gift for that person who has everything. Offer t-shirts for sale. "I've been waterboarded and it was boring." or perhaps, "I've been waterboarded and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."

Note to self. Do not sell refreshments. Clean up is a bitch, so no need to make it worse.

Note to self. I wonder if "Waterboarding R Us" is taken.

Thank you.

The irony in this thread is making me chuckle.

I thought the liberal mindset was that it is important to talk to your enemies kindly, to treat them with respect, and to walk into a situation with the hope that by playing nice and apologizing for your own weaknesses, those who see the world differently than you do will come to appreciate you and make peace.

I'm sure Obama would be very proud of his fans here today.

Just goes to show how "thinking" is not for everyone.

Everyone is human, humans all make mistakes. No one is ever going to be happy no matter whos president. Presidents make mistakes like a normal human... cause... they are. Americas mess has been building over over many many years not just since Clinton, not just sine bush and not in the past 150 or so days of Obama. It may get "fixed" soon but not totally fixed, theres still the huge debt that our ggg grandkids are going to be paying on.

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I guess if we want to go by stereotypes, the conservatives here are living up to theirs.....torture is boring and not a big deal. Name calling, finger pointing, fault finding, division...all the things that ring true for the party of values. I am sure that Rush or Sean Hannity would be proud as well. It is a good feeling, isn't it?

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usnamom great post you said it all, thanks so much... Peace.. Catherine

Why couldn't you just stop after the first approximate 9 lines? You didn't need to bring Bush into this thread. You just blew your well thought out first 9 lines apart by stooping to divert the reader's attention. Bush has NOTHING to do with what these idiots (whoever they might be) did with AF1. Nothing at all.

I think you can't handle it when Obama/his administration isn't as perfect as you think/wish/desire/hope/assert.

dl

Deddlastt why did you pick my particular post to say something about the topic. Why why would I ever ever think anything less.... Bottom line I can admit the truth and say whether it was Obama or whoever caused the plane to fly so low and close to buildings it was in poor judgement. Unlike you DD you simply cannot as most Bush supporters can admit one single thing wrong ex President Bush did to our country. And please read it again while I totally agree flying that plane so low and close to buildings was in poor judgement, no one single person got hurt much less died. And the reason I mentioned ex President Bush plain and simple the war, which we had no business, he started it and the end result so far as caused so many senseless millions of people's lives, unlike the low flying plane..... Now what will you say????? I can hardly wait????... Catherine

Geesh, I will repeat, but you most likely still won't get it You didn't stay on topic.

I responded to your post because you had to drag something/someone totally unrelated to your first approximate 9 lines. Your first approximate 9 lines were relevant and well thought out. After that, you blew it, but it's not the 1st time you have crapped on yourself.

You imply I am a Bush supporter. I am not. I am simply tired of Bush haters dragging him in willynilly and Obama haters dragging him in willynilly. Clearly, you are Bush hater by your continued dragging him in whenever you see fit.

Do you get it now? All I did was essentially repeat since you didn't get it the 1st time. Bush has nothing to do with the plane's flight path.

dl

For starters I do not need to hear from you how I crap all over my posts. Secondly I never said it was Bush's fault for the plane flying so low, where did I say that, I simply asked that if I could admit that the man I voted for President Obama was not perfect why can you as a Bush supporter admit he has done anything wrong like the war... This thread started about air force one flyover in New York and then of course it turned right away into it being President Obama's fault.. I simply came back and said whoever whether it was the President or whomever was at fault and reckless. The same as Bush was reckless when he declared war on a country which proved to not hold means of weapon destruction. We did not belong there and again for the 3 third I believe while the plane incident was wrong, the war in Iraq is so much further wrong have you forgotten all the millions of innocent lost of lives... Talk about irony Bush supporters totally again jumped all over Obama for the Airforce flyover but how sadly they forget abut the War your beloved Bush started. End of story post all you want.... I spoke my personal views on the subject. Again Obama is far from perfect, but you must admit neither is Bush by a longggggggg shot...This war in Iraq must end soon as I fear for more so much more death, the plane did not cause harm nor death, only some fear, there is a huge difference, but Dd you should know this by now . I hope... Catherine

OK......when I referred to AF1 as Obama's new toy in my other post, I was being sarcastic. I don't have a lot of respect for him, I think he's arrogant and I can just picture him "playing with all his new toys". That's all. It was a joke.

Bush was not perfect, he made mistakes. Happy now??? I don't think any Pres. Bush supporter has ever felt he was perfect, that's silly. So to harp on it will get you nowhere.

In no way are the flyover and the war comparable. It's ridiculous to even compare them. Oh wait, there are planes in both scenarios...maybe that is the connection you are making. Beyond that, no comparison. You are the one that made the comparison ILL.

I also don't believe that any of us really think that it was directly Obama's fault........at least I never did. anyone else????????

good grief..........

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Yes, let's just please talk about this fascist plan? Are you kidding me? Holy cow-how many Red Bulls did you drink before you posted tonight???Look at the polls-they are not so favorable. Did you see Joe Biden looking like a total douche ? I do not know you from these boards, but I think you are way too outrageous, and beyond disturbed. How does it feel to look like an ass, Sunshine???

Who else lived through the initial horror olf 9/11, either first hand, or through those we lost?
That sucked, period.

My cousin was just arriving for work at the towers. He was the last group off the trains and the security people told them to get out as fast as they could. He saw the second plane hit. So whoever ok'd that should be fired. I don't care who it was or what party, etc.. There are no words to describe the stupidity of it.

Fascist? Douche? Ass? Tanking polls? Are you eating shrooms or something? Nothing in your post even touches on reality.

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As far as tanking poll numbers, perhaps she's referring to the GOP's numbers. Obama still has solid approval numbers. Joe Biden is credited with Specter's switch, so I guess that he would look like a "douche" to Republicans.

Did you see that poll where they asked if Capitalism is better than Socialism and only 53% said yes? The thinking is is that Obama is extremely popular and with right wing pundits constantly calling hima Socialist, it starts to sound good.

Most on the right couldn't tell you the difference between Communism, Socialism and Democracy. They are absolutely clueless on Fascism.

Did you see that Bush's numbers have gone down since he's been out of office, even though he's had the good sense to keep his mouth shut. I give him kudos for having the class Cheney doesn't. Cheney's approval numbers, of course, are bordering on below zero . . .

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"Speaking before a meeting at FBI headquarters in Washington, Obama said he was as in the dark as everyone else about the photo op fly-by, but made no secret of his disapproval."

I bet you a dollar that he would have said a TOTALLY different thing if the American public would have thought this wonderful!!! If the President of the United States is in the dark then you just have to wonder!!!! If he had just owned up to it perhaps he would have actually gotten some respect from me. Take the blame and move on!! (he could learn a thing or two from tony stewart!!)

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