This guy sure knows how to milk his 15 minutes. Smart and classy, Joe, that's you, all over.

The question: In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?

Joe's thoughtful response (at least, as much thought as Joe can apparently muster):

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It didn't stop at that 1, did you read all of it ?. Wonder if he thinks having a " gay " person around his children will make them " gay ' also ?. I guess having a tax evader as a father might make them one as well huh ?. what a moron.

You know I really dislike people who try to be something they are not just to " look good " at that moment. The more I think about him being interview by this Christian site the more I wonder WHY they didn't ask him about obeying God's word on paying taxes ?
I guess he only "gets" God's word when asked about same sex relationships.:

Yes, I read it all. What a complete loser this guy is!

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Good Lord, what an asshat. A few months ago, he was who the RNC was carrying around on their shoulders like he won the superbowl. There was even talk about him running for office.

I am sure his "friends" whom he won't allow near his children are happy to know he is giving them permission to "do their thing".

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You mean like Timothy Geithner, Kathleen Sebelius, Tom Daschle and Nancy Killefer?

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That guys is an idiot.

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He speaks the truth, like it or not.

Which part or all of it? I am curious, do you think the part about him having friends is the true part or the part where he thinks that they will pollute or molest his kids the the true part or is it the part where he says he has read a dictionary? or is the part about him acknowledging that gay people are people and they are going to do their "thing"? Could you be speaking of the part where he likens calling someone queer, meaning strange or unusual to calling someone a honky? Which part is the truth?

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good one usnamom. Looking forward for the reply.

I'm sure the GOP thanks God for people like you every day.

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Honestly this guy needs to open up his eyes and his thoughts I would sincerely love to know what he thinks a gay person would do to his kids???.I guess he thinks that because your near a gay person you will become a gay person. Not nice at all. Peace. Catherine

Didn't he say that he likes Dobson? Dobson is the one who preaches that sons should take showers with the dads so that they can see a real man's ............

Dobson also preaches that because two gays cannot reproduce, they must recruit! Homosexuality is a choice according to Dobson.

I am hoping for the immediate return of pepperpot to see her reply to usnamom. I am sure that it will contain well reasoned arguments and meaningful insight.

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” Leviticus 18:22

"Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortion ers will inherit the kingdom of God” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

no harm?

“Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it” Proverbs 22:6

Ya know, I really don't know exactly how to respond to this post. Not the content, honestly, Joe the Plumber is so last year....but, when I saw this post, I thought, gee , what happened to discussing the "real" issues??? I guess some people really are NOT interested in that.

A few posts from the "OUCH" thread:

"Why is this even news? And does anyone have a guess as to how long it will take for folks to "settle in" and get on to real stuff?"

"It is petty. There are bigger issues out there to channel anger at. Or are there?"


Now, I "tried" to post a real issue in the Credit Card Bill of Rights thread, and got less than a handful of replies. This thread here is going full guns, tho. So, I can only deduce that, contrary to what some whine about, they truly DON'T want to discuss real issues. The proof is in the pudding, I guess.

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As far as the Credit Card Bill of Rights, I think it's obvious that we all support it.

Joe the plumber amuses us. His reports from Israel were hilarious. But, he keeps getting invited to GOP events. He's a spokesman.

But what about what Joe said? What is true? I don't recall him saying anything about anyone inheriting anything. He said that he has friends who are homosexuals and they know he won't let them near his children. He also said that the word queer means strange and isn't a slur like honky. He also said we are supposed to love everyone....isn't that a commandment from the Lord? Isn't the greatest commandment to Love One Another as He has loved us? Doesn't sound like good ol Joe is loving anyone, really.

AIA, what would you like to discuss about the credit card bill? I think I remember someone asking you what about the bill you didn't agree with and you didn't answer. That might get some dialog going.

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Way to translate the Bible to bolster up your beliefs! Good Grief---once more for those who haven't heard: The Bible was not written by God. He didn't put pen to paper, or chisel to tablet! MAN wrote the Bible and MAN interpreted the anciet writings. Far too many men have had an influence on the Bible and it's translations for it to be considered infalliable or perfect.

AND FURTHERMORE: Homosexuals are homosexuals--they are born that way. They don't "choose" to be, they just are. And they sure as hell don't "train up" children to be homosexual.

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So which regular member are you?

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Ignorance lives! Thank God for idiots to distract us once in a while. I grew up in a suburb of San Francisco in the 60s and 70s. I was around gay people all the time. It did not "make" me anything. For goodness' sake you'd think if gay was catching there would be more good dressers in the world.

If gay was contagious I would be a better interior decorator.

If I can't "catch" things like good dressing and decorating how in the hell is sex with my own kind catching? How does it unfold? Will a lesbian one day force me into sex? Or will I just all of a sudden one day say "hmm I should try this"?

If messy people have organized children and vice versa and if honest people can have dishonest children, if religious people can have atheists for children how in the hell is it guaranteed that a child will turn gay from being "exposed" to someone?

I guess our parents and us are not as effective as the gays because I know there are things my Mom tried to instill in me that did not take and the same with my son.

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So, maybe homosexuals should be teaching parenting classes! Since it's "obvious" that they are sooooo good at teaching children how to be "gay", maybe they can branch out and start teaching other things like respect, or how to handle finances or wow! the list could be endless.
Good Lord! Do you realize what kind of opportunities we have missed by not allowing homosexuals to teach parenting classes??

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Somebody's onto something here! Sounds like an excellent way to "fix" today's problems. And to think it was right there under our noses all the time. Joe is brilliant!

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Funny how it's the liberals that are keeping up with Joe the Plumber. I didn't even know he went to Israel. And didn't know about his opinions on gay marriage. And they are HIS opinions.

But weren't his opinions about taxes a huge issue during the election cycle? Oh, and his opinions about how hard it was going to be to open his plumbing business? His opinions were very important then. They were the cornerstone of the end of the McCain/Palin platform.....

What happened?

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It's a strange thing conservative do sometimes, brag about being uninformed. I don't get that.

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His reports from Israel were pretty funny. I remember him saying, "gosh, if someone was shooting at me, I'd shoot back." and "We used to shoot people who reported on this stuff."

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I'm not disagreeing that the Bible says you shouldn't lay with the same sex. But I am disagreeing with what he said about not allowing them around his children. What is he fearing ? they will catch "gayness"( is that even a word lol ) from HIS friends . If its able to be caught why is he not worried about catching it himself ?. I have never seen anywhere in the Bible that I can recall seeing that said, beware of gay people they can make you gay if you speak, touch or get around them. While it is true the Bible says to teach against this behavior it doesn't say to keep 50 feet from them or you will be come infected.

The Bible also commands us to obey the ones in charge for they have been appointed by God. What happen to this commandment ?

So he can follow 1 part of the Bible but he can't follow the next ? If you are going to live your life by following God's commandments make sure you are in "standing" with God's law, but you can't go picking and choosing which parts you want to follow and then call yourself God's helper.

I wonder what "joe" would think about this
Our tax dollars hard at work.

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"Feds Will Spend $400,000 to Study Drinking and Sex Habits of Homosexuals in Argentina"

LOL Priceless!!!!!!!!

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Honestly yes this man can had his views, while they are his views in many other people's views his comments are wrong. Yes Marilynk I totally agree with you, your born gay, just like you either born a girl or boy, brown or red hair, green or blue eyes, shy or outspoken. As far as quoting the bible if someone choose's to live their live exactly as the bible is spoken, then its fine for them, but not everyone will agree to that. I also firmly believe even when Jesus was alive and before gay people lived. Honestly life is way too short , it basically comes to down to a different way to live your life. I personally feel what someone does in the privacy of their own home and is not hurting another human being or a child, that is their right... Peace. Catherine

I find the assertion implausible. You wouldn't need to go to Argentina to study the sex habits of homosexuals. We have plenty right here in the U.S.

The NIH has worked with Argentinian health officials in AIDs prevention. I found mention of this on this right wing site and some right wing blogs. I'm afraid that doesn't make the story factual or even plausible.

Might some of these people (they aren't journalists) be exaggerating a wee bit?

I think some homosexuals are born that way while I think some peoples sexual identies are not as clear and they can end up either way. Some of it has to do with GID. I wouldn't want my kids around practicing gays because it would be condoning their way of life and that is against my beliefs. Just like I wouldn't be bringing them to a house where a not-divorced person is living in sin with someone. Sin is sin and I would prefer my children not be around it. You can love the sinner but not be around them. That's not un-Christian.

I think you would be surprised at how many times a day you are around "practicing gays" or where a non divorced person is living in sin with someone and don't know it. I would be willing to bet that at least one of your childrens teachers falls into that category. And your relatives and perhaps some of the people at church.

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I can appreciate your point of view and I respect it as well. And you make a good point in your post unlike Joe's POV. YOU don't engage in social affairs where you know the person has a sexual life style that is not like
your own.
However, Joe said his Friends know where he stands and they also know he wont allow them around his children. I think thats the dumbest bull crap I have ever heard ( personally ) Thats like saying I smoke pot and my kids know it, but I don't smoke it around them wouldn't want them to pick the habit up . If you are to set an example of what you don't approve of for your children's sake, you don't have people in your life that do it.( KWIM ) Al tho this life style is not for me and I don't agree with same sex marriages I also don't hid my Friends that are from my children. I have a very good friend of mine thats bisexual, She also knows my views of this , but I don't keep my children from her, She has taken them to the movies with her own children, we have had BD parties together for our children, hell I even went on vacation with her and her sister ( she helped me get my 1st tattoo while there on vacation) We visit each others homes and go out several times a year to lunch. Her son and my DD are very good Friends and have been since Pre K. I have the sense enough to know I can't "catch" her gay side by being around her.I also know that I talk to my children many times of the gay lifestyles they read- hear about on the news. I'm very open with them. They know they don't have to like- live the sin but they also know they can still be Friends with the person.
I know that if my Friend said to her children " Oh you can't be around (insert my name here) because she's straight and don't approve of mommies lifestyle I would be crushed. I'm sure Joe's friends are probably feeling the same way about right now having read this from someone who calls them "Friends" any hoot thats my take on the matter. I think he's a nuttier than a fruitcake.

Not sure what GID means but anyway . . . I prefer my children not be around small-minded, bigoted idiots, so I totally understand where you're coming from.

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Kathytheshopper while I disagree with your thoughts about Gay people, again life is all about choices and its your choice to do so. As I feel the same way I would not want my children hanging out or going to a friends house and knowning that their parents were either there doing excessive drinking or illegial drugs, I also agree because there are so many people out there, whom are againist gay people and because of that, Kathy there are many gay people who are gay and you would not know it for fear they will be outted. So in essense sometimes its hard to tell who is gay, straight or bisexual. Again I totally respect your views just do not agree plain and simple. And I think you mean't to spell God... Peace. Catherine

I don't think that she mean't (sic) to spell God, I believe that Kathy is referring to Gender Identity Disorder (GID). Gender identity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You cjs216 you be correct, . I also do believe that for some people sadly are caught in the middle whether it be bisexual or as some people feel strongly they were born the wrong sex. Either way for either one it must be very difficult to deal with on a day to day basis not knowing your true sexual gender. I have watched those medical shows where they show people who undergo sp.. the complete sex change operation and I cannot imagine the torment they must live each day....I personally and honestly feel that some people truly were born with the wrong body again just my personal views. Because who would want to live their lives in such heartache. Sorry op for going off topic. Peace. Catherine

Hmmm.... but you think you know everything! Uninformed perhaps?

Well let's see, I have at least 3 gay cousins, had a gay hairdresser and attorney, boss upstairs, etc..... And no, none of his teachers are gay as he has homeschooled his last two years! lol It's not that you don't interact with them or love them, etc... but you aren't supposed to condone their lifestyle, ie attend a gay wedding, etc...

Yes, GID is gender identity disorder. I've heard some interesting research on that.

Too funny as who is calling people names on here??? Oh yes, the person who thinks they are open-minded. Maybe you can't help it-maybe you are so open minded your brains have fallen out!

I'm sort of surprised that Joe the Plumber has (then again, he actually said 'had,' right?) gay friends who "know" where he stands, and "know" that he won't let his children be 'anywhere near' them, and they consider J the P their friend, anyway...

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I don't care one way or the other......I am STILL voting for Adam tonite!!!

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Well, let's see, since you have so many in your life it is too bad that you wont let your children be around them as you stated in a previous post which was what I was speaking to.
"I wouldn't want my kids around practicing gays because it would be condoning their way of life and that is against my beliefs. Just like I wouldn't be bringing them to a house where a not-divorced person is living in sin with someone. Sin is sin and I would prefer my children not be around it. You can love the sinner but not be around them. That's not un-Christian"

In reading the above quote, it would seem as though you don't want your children around practicing gays or non divorced people living in sin so I am sorry that your kids haven't had much contact with your cousins whom you love very much and I am sure they appreciate the fact that you think their lifestyle will rub off on your grown children, hairdresser, lawyer etc.

Each day we come in contact with people who are gay and we don't even know it. Your sons will have many opportunities to be taught by someone who is gay if they haven't already and be employed by someone who is gay or work with someone who is gay if they don't already. How will you ever protect them?

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First of all my kids are of age. They went to public schools, except for my just turned "adult" who homeschooled his jr and sr years, and know plenty of gay people. Easy to spot them on "tape your mouth shut in support of gays day" at high school. They haven't been sheltered at all. It might have seemed that way but they aren't.

You are such a contradiction.

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Not sure what GID means but anyway . . .


Oh my.......

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For some reason that statement offends the hell out of me---moreso than your usual crap.

You have absolutely no clue as to how offensive you really are, do you? You have no idea how the crap you spout makes you sound like a bigot, a racist, a homophobe or just in general religious zealot. You know the kind of zealot who believes that all others are going to burn in hell or is willing to blow themself up in the name of their God?

You've said many time how you feel sympathy for me....Lady, I pity you. I will be praying for your soul. I will be praying for your children. And I will be praying for your gay cousins whom you love so much, but don't accept them for the person they are.

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I wish you would not hold back, Marilyn. I wish you would speak your mind.

Tell it, sister.

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