This ones for you Marilynk.
Maybe you don't know about the annual National Day of Silence to bring attention to GLBT name calling. That's what I was referring to in the Joe the Plummer thread. And yes, some of the kids at my sons school, did tape their mouths shut. As I have said many times before I wish the schools would get back to reading, writing, math, spelling, etc... Bullying has been a problem for kids for a long, long time and not just about someones sexual orientation. Anything that makes a kid stand out seems to attract bullies. Do we need a National Day of Silence for fat kids? How about short kids? Kids that wear glasses?

You still have my sympathy, you poor, bitter, angry person.

You really are clueless, and have absolutely no idea that the things you say on this board is offensive. I am constantly amazed by people--not in a good way, usually. I really shouldn't be given that I have worked in the public sector most of my life and been around all sorts of people. But ignorance, intolarance, and fear seem to abound these days. All your chest thumping and preaching just reeks of insecurity and fear.

If you are correct in your views of homosexuality, then I will be the one w/ egg on my face and having to answer to God in the end. However, I can at least justify my views based on the fact that I believe everyone should have the opportunity to love who they want, and they should have the right to have that love recognized if not by religion, but by man's government. You justify your opinion view on several varying interpretations of the Bible. However, I base my opinion and viewpoint on Mark 12:30-31: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. I'm pretty sure that since these are recorded as "Jesus said", it outweighs the Old Testament and the writings of varying Apostles who put their own spin on what was meant and what the laws should be. Apostle Paul for all of his piety, was an extremely biased writer.

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Marilynk-do I ever mention hate? Of course you should love your neighbor but you don't condone what you feel is offensive to God. And now, according to you, we shouldn't believe what Paul has written? Interesting. I have also worked in the public sector, around all types of people. Heck I live in a mega liberal town. Please save your sympathy as I am a very happy person. I have nothing in my life to be angry or bitter about either. If my writing come across that way to you and several others on here as bitter and angry that's a shame as that is the way I am in person. I am just very passionate about the things I believe in. You didn't answer about the other days of silence I suggested. How many times have you called me names? How many times have I called people names? And you think I'm intolerant? Now that is sad.

One doesn't have to be gay to support of the rights of them.Same with Cancer,MS, Mental Illness,and a 1000 other disorders that might cause them to "stand out of the norm" I'm very confuse to what your TRUE standing is on the gay issue tho. On 1 hand you say you don't want them around you or your children and on the other you say your lawyer, hairdresser an 3 cousins are gay. So which is it ? Surely if you detest them this much and really don't want to "condone" their life styles you could find a lawyer and hairdresser thats straight. You have me so confused on what you are trying to say I'm really trying to figure this out and understand your POV.

Thank you. I anxiously await the answer as I am confused as well.

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It boils down to the old addage "love the sinner and hate the sin". Who said I detest them? My children are of age so that isn't really an issue at this point in time. I remember when my ds was in 5th or 6th grade and I dropped him off at a Halloween party afterschool at a classmates house. Two women answered the door and they were introduced as Z's. mom and stepmom. Naive me thought that was so nice that the mom and her ex husbands new wife would give a party together. lol It took me awhile to figure that out. I always invited my ex to my sons bday parties with my current husband so it wasn't that far out of an idea for me. I used the fact that I had a gay lawyer and hairdresser to show that I don't discriminate against them like some people on here proclaim. Yes I have gay cousins. I don't treat them differently however if they were to want to "get married" I would not attend the event. Currently I don't have a lawyer or a hairdresser although the last time I had law advice it was as a family (mom, bro, sis) about my moms house and she was gay. The attorney that handled my divorce back in the late 80's was gay. So I support their right to do as they choose but I do not support gay marriage. I also dislike all the school functions conserning GLTB. I don't think it belongs in the schools. After school is ok but not during school. Even President Obama campaigned as not being in favor of gay marriage-I believe he was for civil unions but not gay marriage. Hillary too if I remember correctly. Hope this clears it up a little bit.

Kathy, you missed the point that was asked. Simply put, you say you don't want your kids to be around gay people and yet you trot out your gay cousins, your gay hairdresser and lawyer. How is it that your children are not around these people? It would stand to reason that your statement that you keep your kids away from these people would not be a true statement as they are around your cousins as well as many people you do not know (and you do not know their sexual orientation) and as far as we can tell (because you are still alive) your kids are not gay. The comment was how you were being confusing when you state this.

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Kathy I was going to keep quiet and again please please do not take defense at me. But if you or others do you not realize by now that my late brother Sonny was gay and that he passed away from the very horrible disease called Aids, well its out there now. I also know you posted under my thread for him and I sincerely appreciate you did that. With that being said, hon again your life your choice, but honestly and perhaps you may help me truly understand you feelings toward gay people and why it bothers you so much... Is there something I am missing, I get the facts about the Bible and how God intended for man and women to be together. But Kathy take one moment please please do and ask yourself, is being Gay that truly bad. Yes my brother was Gay and even before he came out, I never ever felt any different to someone who choose to live another lifestyle. To me Kathy for my brother his being Gay was only a small small part of who he was and honestly he was a man of honor and respect. I know I had stated I would post some pictures but yesterday was too hard for me since it was the day he passed. I need my dd Caitlin to help me post the pictures I am not really good with technical sp. stuff from the computer lol. What I did was I took pictures of pictures of him and hopefully they will be good to post here. If not then I will have to go and have them scanned and then post. I did not mean to come into your post and start any trouble. But kindly just realize they are all human as us, they laugh, they cry, they hurt, they feel pain, they bleed the same blood. Anyway I sincerely hoped I helped with the subject and thanks Kathy for listening . Peace. Catherine

Maybe my post in the other thread was not clear enough. I didn't mean that if I saw a gay person I would take my kids and run the other way. My cousins gay son is having his college recital in a few weeks and we may go to that. We have so many events this month we may not make that one-not because he's gay but because there are so many functions we have to narrow them down and we are closer to some other invitees. Now if he was having a gay wedding I wouldn't go to that. Wouldn't even consider it. Actually my DS that's getting married this August is having a Lesbian bridesmaid in the wedding party.

after this and the other thread, all i can say is WOW. after some of these replies I can get images of people not wanting to walk by a gay because OMG it might spread! just like in history how people wouldnt walk passed a black person because OMG the black might rub off.

Come on people, their human just like you, have feelings just like you. their not out to "turn" anyone and it's certainly not going to spread because you touch or walk passed one, and you dont always know if someones gay or not, yeah you can tell on some but not on others.

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If you get the facts about the Bible and how God intended man and woman to be together then what's there to question? You either believe it's offensive to God or you don't. Unmarried hetero sex is offensive to God too. So are lots of things. I'm sorry about your loss and AIDS is a terrible disease. Of course I know they are humans and they have a mighty big cross to bear.

I have a question for all of you "pro gay marriage" folks. If you respect a persons right to their religious beliefs and they truly believe that gay marriage is offensive to God what do you say to them when they say they don't think it's right that they should have to witness gay men kissing in public, etc... If you say "get used to it" or "it's their right" then I ask what about the rights of the people who are offended?

Chit I'm MORE confused now than before.

lol Sorry about that! If you really want to know then maybe you can ask a specific.

Well, no, I don't want to see gay men swapping spit in public, neither do I want to see a man and a woman doing the same-get a room already!!! A slight kiss, here or there is totally endearing-even btwn men-gosh look at the Europeans. You know, we straight ppl don't always obey the Christian rules as well. Who in the Cafe had sex before marriage? Who in the Cafe lived together before they were married? Who in the Cafe got pregnant before being married? Guess what, I answered yes to ALL three questions; yet, I have been happily married to the father of all of my four kids for the past twenty years, and we have a really good life! We have not been doomed....And no, we are not living in a van down by the river, we have our dream house 3600sq. ft., on the lake, (6 bedrooms), paying tuition for a kid in college out of state, DH was able to get his Master's Degree, and is ready to dive in for the second. Hesus Christo, sometimes ppl who love each other, actually do ok. It's not our job to judge. It's our job to be kind and polite.

Congrats for your happy life! And yes we are to be kind and polite. I am not judging them, just their behavior and those are two different things.And yes judging a behavior goes on all the time. So what if you were pregnant before you got married-at least that is a natural evolution! You can't tell by looking who has had sex before marriage but you can tell if two guys are passionately kissing that they are gay. There are differences.

Marilyn, with all due respect, I think you're way off base here.

I don't think you truly believe that everybody should have the opportunity to love who they want in that way.

People always cry foul when an argument like the one I'm about to make is presented, but sometimes I think it's helpful to consider the extreme possibilities to identify whether a statement is absolutely true or not.

Say Jane is 32, and is sexually attracted to her 50 year old father. He shares the attraction. Is this a relationship that you believe should fall under the umbrella of what can be legally recognized as a 'love relationship'?

If not, why not?

And if you have an objection to this relationship being given the same status you have with your husband, does this mean you are a hateful, nasty, spiteful angry person with narrow vision?

You disagree with Kathy in regards to whether the Bible is to be taken literally or figuratively. You have a difference of opinion in interpretation. You have a difference of opinion in which 'source' of Biblical origins is the correct one. You mention the whole "any of several versions of the Bible" issue... but I assume that you know that by and large, most of the different versions are essentially the same, but have been re-translated as our language has evolved. The King James Version, with it's thee's, thou's, and whereforart's is difficult for us to understand today, thus the New International Version, Revised Standard Version, etc. Some - like the New Living Translation - do take extensive liberties with wordings that seem to play to the bias of the translator's interpretations, rather than being literal modern-day re-statements.

And I assume you are also referencing the Mormon Bible, which includes stories that mainstream Christianity does not accept as inspired truth.... and the Catholic Bible, which includes the Apocrypha (sp?), etc. writings generally recognized by mainstream, non-Catholic Christianity to be historically accurate but not writing that was inspired by God, and therefore that are not looked to for spiritual direction. Interesting and true... but not assumed to be 'guides'.

Regardless...people have to decide which, if any, of those documents they believe are true. And once you determine something represents *truth*, whether or not you understand something or even agree with it is secondary. If you believe the document represents *truth*... you just believe it. Those beliefs don't represent *opinion*... they represent *belief*. It's a fine line... but not the same.

I *believe* the speed limit between here and the elementary school in my town is 30 MPH. I don't understand why - there's no traffic, and other streets in busy areas of town have 40 MPH speed limits, and it seems incredibly inconsistent.

I don't *understand* why it's 30 MPH. But I've studied the driver's manual and come to the conclusion that it is a true and accurate piece of information, and that what it says represents "truth".

Based on that belief I hold, I am convinced that somebody going 38 down that street is in violation of the law. I don't hate them. I even feel sympathy for them because based on my observations, it should be a 40MPH zone. I can have all the *feelings* I want, though - they don't change the fact that I've put my faith in the manual that says white signs with numbers on them that begin with the words "Speed Limit" represent 'truth' about the traffic law in that neighborhood.

We could go 'round and 'round about whether they actually know that people will go about 5mph over the limit, so they set it at 30 but will forgive speeds up to 35. We could debate whether the judge will let you off the hook for that violation because he lives on that street and thinks it's a dumb speed limit, too. But none of that will change that if somoene believes the driver's manual is the final word about what is *legal*, and the manual indicates that a sign like the one that says "Speed Limit 30" must be heeded or the driver risks a fine... they believe it.

Just because they agree that it was appropriate for the lady going 35 to get a ticket doesn't mean they are behaving hatefully. They believe a literal interpretation of the law is the way things need to come down.... and the law says someone in violation gets a fine. It's nothing PERSONAL... it just is what it is. If you are the one who got STOPPED, or if you think the stopped person shouldn't have been stopped, then you will feel very frustrated at the person who agrees with the issuance of the ticket. You'll take it personally. But it's NOT about any *person*. It's about the *law* simply being what it *is*.

If Kathy has determined what document she believes to be *truth*, she has a responsibility to try to figure out what it's saying on it's own merits. Not the interpretation she likes best or that seems 'nicest' or 'broadest'... but what it is *actually* saying, regardless of her own feelings. Lots of people feel lots of ways, so *feelings* are a very fickle compass that won't lead you to true north.

If in doing that, Kathy has arrived at the conclusion that God exists, and that it is not his intention that mankind engage in same-gender sex, then that's what she believes. It doesn't mean she hates anybody any more than I hate anybody who drives 34 in that 30 MPH zone. It means that she believes separate and apart from everything, she believes a law exists, and that that activity violates that law.

Well for me personally I'm not for same sex marriages, But I also don't hid from my children there are gay couples in the world either. Nor do I disallow my children to be around them or eat from the same table as them. I'm open on my beliefs and my children know where I stand and what we believe in.
I have taught my children that even tho we (meaning the family ) don't believe in this and don't approve of it they are still people with feelings and bleed the same red blood. I have taught my children that you can hate the sin but LOVE-LIKE the person. This whole true with some other issues I have too.
As far as living in sin YOU BET I DID -HAVE. I lived with a few boyfriends and even my husband for 5 years before we got married, We also were expecting # 3 when we did get married to which all my kids know about this. I also don't tell my children they can't live with SO before marriage, I do tell them they should wait and also to re frame from sex, However once they are out on their own all I can do is hope they listen and will do whats RIGHT for THEM. I don't shelter my kids from the facts of life nor do I discourage them to re frame from friendships all because it goes against what they have been taught. What I do tell them is that when its all over and done with ( meaning end of time ) that they are the ONLY ones that will have to answer for thier life doings. If they truly believe they have been good people then God will reward them if not then God will hand his punishment to them.

I don't like kissing in pubic ( sloppy kissing, not a peck on the lips or cheek). I feel there's a time and place for everything and in public is not the place nor time to slop spit with each other. I also don't like guys or girls poking their hands in the back pants of their SO either. There's a lot of things I don't approve of and I voice my stand on it with my kids. It must of worked because you couldn't PAY my oldest DD to kiss her hubby as if they are in the bedroom while I'm in the room. I have never sheltered them nor will I start I'm very open with our talks, I would rather face a uncomfortable talk than allow some nut case to sway them into their kind of thinking.

I think it really boils down to how you talk to your children on your family beliefs, If you hid life's facts from them then they will fall for anything out there. Personally me, I would rather my kids be educated on the "secrets"( if you will ) than to toss them to the wolves of the world.

I agree, sunset. We don't hide the world from our kids. We do make value judgments like every other parent on the planet does when they impart their own opinions or beliefs to their children, but are always quick to point out that we believe God loves everybody equally. He loves people doing bad things as much as he loves them, and that for that reason, they need to be kind to everyone, to defend the defenseless and to befriend the friendless as much as is possible.

We do point out behaviors that we believe to be in violation of what God wants for mankind, because we don't want them to engage in those behaviors. We teach them to be kind and generous and forgiving, but on a personal level, discerning about what they themselves do.

I don't really simply 'hope' that when they leave our home they stick to the values we have shared. We are planning for them to. They're loving, sharing, caring kids, and we *expect* them to continue to have those traits regardless of our presence. We also expect them to care what God thinks about them, and to spend their entire lives working to understand his will. They will probably assume some beliefs that are different than ours once they are grown, but I do expect that generally, their values will mirror ours.

Not to get off topic but growing up with strict but very caring and loving parents, I would always say when I have kids I am going to be different. Yes in some ways I am but in reality you will only truly understand what it means to be a parent until you become one and the funny thing is you do find yourself becoming or will come your parent on some levels.While deep inside I would love for my children to believe in all the same things I do and value and respect . Again I feel for the most part they will perhaps just with a little tweak if you will.. Personally again for me and my family having such a close family member who was Gay as my brother they knew it from a very young age. Do I think they full understood it no but to them he was just Uncle Sonny.In the end I always was taught from a young age never to judge and that there is good in all kinds of people.On a final note as always as long as a human being or god forbid a child is harmed in anyway live and let live...Peace. Catherine

wowitsdark-you might be a genius! Wonderful explanations.

sunsetbeach-who is hiding their kids? Not sure where all that came from.

I was just sharing, even tho the question was asked for pro gay supporters.
But there are many many families that do hid the truth from their kids out of fear, lack of understanding, lack of education etc.

BTW, I reread your replies I understand now what you meant to say in the last thread al tho you didn't say it there. I took what you had said in the last thread as you didn't allow gays to be around your children or yourself but had people you associated with that were gay, I couldn't figure that one out.

Good analogy. However, in the previous post from the other thread, it was brought up that Joe doesn't allow his kids near his gay friends. Kathy said she doesn't either but then she says she has gay cousins, a lawyer and something else. Those statements are what caused the confusion about what she says she believes and how she treats her relatives.

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What does marriage have to do with public displays of affection?

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"Mormon Bible"
What are you talking about?
The "Mormon Bible" is the same Bible that everyone else uses. Could you possible be talking about The Book of Mormon, or The Doctrine & Covenants?

All that aside: I understand that people believe what they believe. I understand that KTS opinion is what it is. What I don't agree with is her presentation of her opinion. One can express their opinions without being offensive and/or rude.
I understand the intent of what KTS is saying, but would respect her opinion more if she would present it in a less hateful way.
I honestly believe that she doesn't comprehend how offensive her statements can come across.

And to answer your question: sex btwn a father and a child is something that I don't have a frame of reference for. Please remember that I worked w/ sexually abused children, so I am biased in my opinion. I can't imagine having those kind of feelings for my father or mother. Furthermore, any coupling could produce a deformed or genetically "sick" child. Look at the many royal families in history who only married within....they literally bred themselves out of existence.

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Over and over I have read posts concerning peoples beliefs about gay marriage. I have even chimed in on a few. To sum it up for me. You can believe what you you want. You can go with what your heart tells you is right or for that matter whatever your religion teaches you. But when it comes down to it be careful because as a parent you never know if one day your child will come to you and tell you they are gay. If you have taught them all along that it is not acceptable or that you are not accepting then you have set yourself and your child up for a dishonest relationship. They wont feel as if they can tell you and they wont feel as if you would ever accept them.
I believe that a person has absolutely no control over whether they are gay or not. Just like they have no control over if they end up with a terminal illness. That being said I wouldn't walk away from my child when they got cancer so why would I walk away when they announced they were gay?
I dont think bad about people that continue to fight against gay marriage but I do feel like it hinders the future of my son and many other people who are deserving of the same rights.
These threads are always the same. The pros and cons of the situation will always be there and whatever you believe is just that.

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I wanted to clarify something and get back to the original topic. Although I want the same rights as I stated before for my son I do agree with you that this has no place in schools. They are there to receive an education not to make a stand.
Although it is interesting that school is the place where my then 5th grade son was beaten up in the bathroom by 5 boys and called names that we dont need to mention. It is also the place where a teacher called my son a fa**ot and failed him because he wasn't doing as well as he thought he should be in P.E.
Schools need to be just schools not someones soapbox.

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This makes me ill. Until parents teach our children that there are differences in the world and it is okay for someone to be different, there will be bashing and a need for GBLT day. If parents are not going to teach their children that they need to be kind and stop spouting about gays their loving the sinner but not the sin or telling our children that being gay is "wrong" we will have bullying and name calling. It should be in the home that students learn tolerance and not in school. What love the sinner but not the sin means is a form of tolerance. Apparently not too many parents are teaching their kids this.

kgbmom, I know your son appreciates the fact that he has you in his corner. You saved your son a hellish life of hiding who he is. There are lots of children who are gay and will never be able to live their true lives because of parents who preach gay people are to be feared and kept away from lest they contaminate. What does that say to a kid? I hope that KTS's sons are straight. I really do. For her sake as well as theirs.

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I am offended by lots of things I see in public. That doesn't mean they should be banned. I am offended that I have to wear a seat belt (to protect my health) when offensive cigarette smokers can smoke until their lungs explode. I am offended that I have to work and I am offended by how my work treats me.

I am offended that I have to pay a fee to pay my mortgage or other bills online or by phone.

I am offended by the lady putting crap in her shopping cart obviously for children and then pays with food stamps.

I am offended by the way some people treat their mothers, husbands, children, wives.

Just because something offends me it should not be? Well in that case I am deeply offended by peoples' mistaken belief that God is somehow preaching against gays and I DEMAND this offensive behaviour stop!

Oh what that didn't work? Hmmm I wonder why I made clear it's offensive.

Some people think Christmas decorations are offensive and against the word of God will you stop decorating your home now?

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not speaking for Kathy, of course, but I "think" what she could mean, and also keep in mind, I have not read past this post by USNAmom, is that she does not want her children around someone expressing their gay nature? As in, 2 women kissing in front of her children, or 2 men kissing in front of her children. I can understand this. Much like you would not want your children around someone who is openly a swinger, while they are setting up a date, or recounting their last encounter. The same could be said about a heterosexual couple.....personally, I don't want my children being exposed to them bumping and grinding, so to speak. I think it's the same reason we (general we) monitor the things our children watch on TV.

I got the whole hate the sin, love the sinner thing. Just because you "love" someone, doesn't mean you have to socialize with them.

If someone's religion dictates that they do not condone a certain behaviour, who are we to chastise a person for that? They are following their convictions.

BTW, I don't care if someone is gay, I just don't care to see it flaunted out in front of me. But, I feel the same way about heterosexuals. There is a time and a place for things.

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I don't think Kathy has called anyone names or been hateful. However, some who support gay marriage have called Kathy hateful and hurtful names. Why is that okay?
You say you can't imagine having 'those' kind of feelings between a father or mother and their child (sex between father and child). And you said you were biased in your opinion about it. Okay. I completely understand and respect that. However, why is it all right for you to have those opinions but yet Kathy and others who do not support gay marriage cannot voice and have THEIR opinions?? Kathy cannot imagine having 'those' kind of feelings between two men or two women. Why is that any different?

I think I want to marry a goat. Is this ok too? Can we have Goat marriage support day tomorrow?

I find this so sad and I probably would have opened a can of whoop ass on that teacher also.* I*( ME ) personally believe children that do this is because their parents have filled their heads with untruths. Children are not born to hate it's a learned feeling.

It's different in that KTS has made some sweeping generalizations, and rather close minded presumptions and statements regarding not only gays, but also African Americans. And absolutely refuses to acknowledge that she has offended people by her statements. Her response has been along the lines of "tough crap, this is the way I believe and that's that!" I grasp that she feels passionately about certain things. And I believe that she thinks she's correct. Her responses are usually defensive. If you immediately have to get on the defensive then that should be your first clue that you might be the one w/ the issue.

I believe passionately in a few things. And I enjoy a good debate as well as the next person. And I know and realize that I can be abrasive and offensive when in the heat of a debate I don't stop and think before speaking. I think that more people would be sympathetic not only to KTS but what she believed if she was just a tad less offensive. Doesn't mean she shouldn't express her opinion, and it certainly doesn't mean she has to change her opinion. It's all in how it's presented.

For example: There are some ministers I have heard that I know I disagree w/ their views; but they can speak and present in such a way that I'm not immediately offended and get up and leave. However, there are far more who use the pulpit as a political arena and I'm immediately turned off.

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I'm pretty sure the Goat doesn't want to marry you though!
And that is the absolute dumbest and most stupid argument there is. Animals are not consenting, they have no feelings (unless PETA is correct), and they shouldn't be forced to have sex w/ humans! Good Grief, I don't know what poster you really are--but as this alt id, you are an IDIOT.

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No, it's not different with Kathy. It's because she doesn't have the same opinion as you (and others). There are plenty of people on these boards who are just as opinionated and in-your-face and offensive IMO as you see Kathy is. Just because Kathy doesn't agree doesn't make her wrong. This isn't the only topic that some are opinionated about and if you happen to express an opinion differently on these heated subjects, then automatically that person is labeled as narrow-minded and hateful. Who is the judge of what's right and what's wrong???

ROFLMAO Now Marilynk we all know PETA has the best at heart when they say People shouldn't marry their live stock

It's stupid comments like this that make people discount and disregard anything you might say. There are plenty of people out there who are mentally ill who may want to marry goats and there are plenty of people out there who are mentally ill who marry buildings and tourist attractions (it's true google it) does that mean we should outlaw all marriage?

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We'll have to agree to disagree. There are a few posters that I *KNOW* I don't agree w/ on many subject matters.
Allinaugust is one. Momrajum is another. But I don't get offended when they express their opinions.
Conversely--Iluvlucy420 and I share the basic beliefs on many subject matters, but I get offended and irritated each and every time she posts!

Usnamom and I have some issues w/ agree upon, and some that are vastly different--but yet she and I are able to disagree civilly without offending the other. And if one or both of us offends the other? We apologize.

It's truly not about "wrong" vs. "right". It's about being respectful of others, and maintaining some degree of civility when you post.
*shrugs* But, whatever....

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I don't want my kid around anyone who is sexual with another person around them whether they are gay or straight or a monkey. But I do want my kids to know that gay people are people just like they are and nothing to be scared of and they have souls and are people as well who deserve the same rights as I do. I do not teach my kids that gay people are to be separate from them and I certainly do not say that I have kept my kids away from my friends who are gay or anyone who says they are gay. My point to Kathy was that she may not know who is gay in her life. Her kids have and will come into contact with many people who are gay in their life so to say that she keeps her kids away from them is naive. Same with Joe the Plumber who started this whole thing.

I believe that KTS believes that she is keeping her kids away from gay people or the gay lifestyle. I was pointing out to her that it is impossible to do so.

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Isn't this what it has always been about? People who make inflammatory posts and then get their panties in a bunch either saying they didn't say that or that they have proof that never exists or they are joking or they change what they posted. If it was a troll like the above p pot then that is obvious and we don't have to worry about it but KTS is a regular poster and in the beginning, it was thought that she didn't know how she came across in her postings or how what she said was hurtful to others but she became defensive and the same people come to her defense which is wild to me because when you do that you become painted with the same brush. There is a way to say things and defend what you believe that doesn't offend people. And if you find out it does offend, a Christian usually apologizes, not for her beliefs but for offending someone with how she/he presented them.

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I get what you're saying. Just like the people who get all in a tizzy over the child molester living next door. Well, there are so many who you don't know about. You can't live in a box. We encounter murderers, adulters, you name it, every day. Not everyone displays these behaviours openly, so we don't know unless they tell us.

I think once KTS gets back on and replies to some of these things, we can have a better understanding of what she means.

"But I do want my kids to know that gay people are people just like they are and nothing to be scared of and they have souls and are people as well....." Not everyone shares this belief, for whatever reason. Let me ask you (general you) if you knew someone was gay, would you have a problem if they got their blood on you?

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No, because I have acess to soap and water. I don't believe because someone is gay they are carrying the AIDs virus. No more than if you spilt blood all over me....I would wash with soap and water.

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ABSOLUTELY NOT! It's not gay people that I worry about transmitting disease. It's the heterosexual individual who has made bad choices in their life and is an addict--and addict that is willing to sell their body to the highest bidder to support their habit. Good Lord knows who or what they have come in contact with!

Furthermore, I'm not a big fan of bodily fluids on my person to begin with one of several reasons I got out of working on ambulances!

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Sure...trolls and goats...that's a match made in heaven.

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jenh22 - you are too funny!!

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I'd rather nobody got their blood all over me, but I wouldn't be anymore concerned with someone that was gay than straight. Anybody can be carrying a blood borne illness.

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I didnt have a tizzy , And after a few debatable post between me and another MC member we said our " I'm Sorry to each other " and respectably agreed to disagree. Thats what adults should do even when they don't agree with each other.

Yuck, I would prefer no one share their bodily fluids with me. but no don't think I would be any More concerned about a gay persons blood anymore than a heterosexual blood. My niece lived with me for 2 years after she was DX with Hep C. I even gave her shots to her was never concerned over the issue.