A) “I do not support gay marriage. Marriage has religious and social connotations, and I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman.”

B)“I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised.”


please feel free to provide your opinion as to whether these quotes are vastly different in nature.

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http://a4.g.akamai.net/f/4/19675/0/n...pdfs/obama.pdf

Just something I read in a local letter to the editor, and found interesting.

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That was very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

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The second quote is Carrie Prejeans right? I think she feels the same way as the first quote. I did hear the tail end of a commercial on Fox - "with gay marriage being allowed in some states are triad marriages next?" I KNEW that would be coming!!!! I wish I knew what program it was going to be on.

From what I understand people believe that "marriage" is between a man and woman. Most who object to gay marriage do not oppose the couples living together in a legal union they just don't want it called marriage.

Here is an example: cheesecake is called cake not pie even though in many cases it is a pie. We have come to know pie as pie and cheesecake as cake. Just because someone starts calling it pie doesn't make it pie.
By the same token "marriage" is defined as a man and woman joining together in legal and often holy lifetime union. So you can call a union between two gay men a marraige but it's really not technically a marriage as it does not fit the definition of marriage.

Now there may be a valid argument to the triad marriage worry but as far as animals are concerned (a poster on a previous thread brought up marrying a goat) that will never happen because an animal like a child cannot legally consent to it.

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I think it's a bit telling that SO many people upset by Carrie Prejean's comments who are ALSO HUGE supporters of Obama have nothing to say on this thread... Interesting.

Yes, you can practically hear the crickets chirping.

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I'm an Obama supporter and I don't care who's mouth it comes from. I don't agree. I think gays should have the exact same rights as hetrosexuals.

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I agree also. I don't have to support everything Obama says, do I? I didn't get that clause. I also didn't get the memo that we have to post even if we don't have anything to add to the conversation or care about the conversation.

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No, but sadly some others seem to feel that people who supported McCain or Bush clearly agreed with everything THEY said or did. It is an interesting observation that was made, tho.

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I guess my point was (and is):
Why were people calling for Ms. California's head when she said the EXACT same thing President Obama said as a candidate?

Why was such a big, huge deal made of what a flipping beauty contestant said, when a person who actually can make/change laws is of the same opinion?

Why did Obama get a "free" pass? Why isn't Perez Hilton calling the President filthy and disgusting names?(and as someone who has read Perez Hilton, I can tell you, Perez LIKES Obama).

Personally, I don't care one way or another if gays are allowed to marry or have a "civil unions" or whatever. I just think that it is hypocritical to flame Ms. California for her opinion, when the PRESIDENT of the United States is of the same exact opinion.

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Because it's always easier to pick on the peeon.

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There have been quite a few people who support gay marriage that feel that Ms. California was unfairly treated. Not everyone who disagrees with her has been bashing her, in fact most aren't.

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Exactly. Why should I defend something Obama said just because he said it? I disagree with several things he's said. Wrong is wrong and I don't give a rip who said it.

Sorry, this pathetic attempt to goad Obama supporters into defending the indefensible fails.

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I do think she was treated wrongly. By posing for nude photos, she broke the contract she signed and should have lost her crown for that reason. She's getting away with it because Trump wets himself over the cheap and tawdry publicity.

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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I'm talking about the comments made by Perez Hilton Immediately after the pageant.

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I don't think those were "nude" pictures per say. She has explained it many times.

I had no idea who Carrie Prejeans is when this thread started. I disagree with her and Obama with respect to what constitutes a marriage.

I agree with Truble that Trump is a publicity whore.

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- Stephen Colbert.

Because Obama approves of abortion.

No, I'm not kidding. It's not a stretch.

When you find a politician that aligns himself with your make-or-break planks, you can overlook an awful lot, and try to rationalize statements that - if made by a political opponent - would result in flying fur.

I also think Obama was lying about his own opinion when he made that statement. I think he is fine with the idea of gay marriage. I think there are socially conservative Democrats that he didn't want to alienate, and so he danced that "I believe in everybody having the same rights" dance while making that statement about marriage. I seriously doubt he is *truly* against gay marriage.

Hilton should have kept his mouth shut. Of course, Prejean should be keeping her mouth shut, too. Her comments get loopier by the day. And Trump is happy because no one really gives a flying flip about the Miss USA pageant, but suddenly people are talking about the girl that lost it. Whoop-de-doo. Anyone remember Tara Connor anymore? I expect Prejean will have a shelf life about half that of Joe the Former GOP Plumber.

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I suspect that if Perez hadn't come out calling her names and saying that she lost because of her views (instead of the fact that her answer wasn't very well spoken) there wouldn't be much of a story. Now every time I turn on the news I have to hear her yammer on about "opposite" marriage.

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She shouldn't have been asked the question. She shouldn't have answered the question.

And for those of you wondering why no Obama supporters had been heard from, here is another one. For the record, I disagree with Obama on some issues, agree on others. I would be very surprised if the Bush supporters agreed with everything that man said or did. If there are any of you out there, let's hear about it. My personal Obama approval rating has never gone above 70% and my Bush approval rating never got above 5%, so there's a large space there.

I think Obama is wrong on this subject and that includes the deal with the military. Given his religiousity, it's not surprising. Annoying but not surprising.

Hilton is a nasty little creature who, for some strange reason, has achieved some measure of success with his notoriety. He reminds me of the school bully who can make your life a living hell if he's crossed. Why he's given credence is beyond me.

What deal with the military are you referring to?? His wanting to reverse "don't ask, don't tell"?

As for Perez Hilton, I had no idea who that even was. Must be something with the name, LOL, but, I lump him in there with Paris Hilton...uh, what did they do to get "fame"???

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Not so much the reversing as the dragging his feet instead of reversing. They need to have "talks" and "study the issue". Horse hockey!!! I am getting the feeling that he doesn't want to reverse it even though he knows it should be.

Wow. . .what's happening in the Cafe? First I agree with Truble yesterday and then I pretty much agree with everything that's been said in here.

Let's see:

Obama got a pass for saying virtually the same thing as Miss California.

Perez Hilton is a jerk and no one really knows why he is famous.

Miss California probably shouldn't have won no matter her position on gay marriage, because despite her standing by her convictions, she just doesn't sound too smart.

And Donald Trump is loving the publicity like a fat kid loves cake.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

I do agree that Obama probably gets the pass because of his stance on abortion. I also agree that he was politicking when he said he doesn't support gay marriage. Sooo. . .do you have more respect for someone who is willing to stand by what they believe, whether you agree or not, or someone who is willing to play politics with their beliefs. Idk. . I'm just throwing that out there.

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Great post!

I don't see how one's stance on abortion would relate to one's stand on gay marriage.

Miss California does indeed sound like a simpering idiot.

I don't think they are related per se. I think that a lot of Obama supporters are pro choice and pro gay marriage. . .so they let his comments about gay marriage slide, because they see him more as a step in the right direction. Does that make sense?

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For the record as everyone knows I did Vote for Obama, however I never said I agree with all his beliefs or views. I am pro choice and I am for gay marriages 100 percent all the way. Also while some may not agree again their choice, this is mine. While I was raised a catholic and I am a catholic, again I do not agree with all their beliefs. But with the same token I will not change my religion I just choose to believe in some beliefs and others I do not. Of course the biggest for me is again Gay Marriage. Why does 2 people who love each other and want a true commitment in the eyes of God not deserve to be given the right to be married , honestly whom are they truly hurting by getting married. Which again brings me back to my personal belief God created us all all of us and loves us all one and the same. Peace. Catherine

She hasn't explained it very well. The pictures (and, there are two sets) show her partially nude.

The second set of pictures were taken at the beach. She was there in panties and a little vest. She claims that it was very windy and that she didn't know her picture was being taken.

Funny, she doesn't have a hair out of place and she's staring right at the camera. Not only is she a liar; she's a bad liar.

Both sets of pictures are risque.

I don't know her personally to make a judgment call about her 'heart' right now.

I will say that I believe that when it says not to take the Lord's name in vain... well... I think she's taking the Lord's name in vain.

I agree with her thoughts on marriage, and have no problem with her citing her Christian beliefs as the reasoning behind her stance on gay marriage.

But if she is going to 'own' Christianity, then she needs to stop making excuses for those photographs. Christianity pretty clearly defines the purpose of sex, and the scenarios in which sex is acceptable and in which it's not. There are plenty of statements about lusting after people you're not married to... and unless she was married to everybody who saw those photos, she really doesn't have an excuse that meets 'Christian Muster" for those photos.

They were intended to arouse men she wasn't married to, which isn't alright from a Christian POV. Arguing about whether the wind was blowing is stupid, IMHO. She was practically naked and I don't think those photos were going to be the cover of the Christmas card she was sending to her minister.

It's hypocritical - and it's taking the Lord's name in vain - to wear a beauty queen sash that says "Christian" while trying to defend something that is clearly not in line with what God wants of people who assume the label 'Christian" for themselves. If she is going to take his name... she needs to own up.

Wow, I actually agree with you on this. She was clearly posing, she's said that those were taken between "real" shots, but she's clearly posing when her ** are showing, and if it was windy, her hair would be all over the place. It was bad judgment and she should own up to it. She's tried to play it a couple of different ways, first "she's under 18, so no one should show those" then "it was windy and it was a wardrobe malfunction"... I'm not buying either of those... Just say, It was a case of bad judgment on my part and I'm truly sorry for my actions." I think that would be better!

Great post! I agree.

I don't think he gets a pass exactly. He is taking a chance, albeit a small one at this point, in losing some voters over his gay stance or lack there of.

And who is this mythical person who stands by what they believe? Politics is the art of compromise, so standing by what you believe can get you in a lot of trouble at times if you're hoping for re-election.

I think Obama is torn on the gay issues. I think a lot of people are. I don't like what he is doing or saying in that regard, but I do like some of the other things he is doing. I have never voted for a person that I completely agreed with and most of the time it's a balancing act to find the person who I agree with most on the issues that to me seem the most important.