A Muslim opened fire at a recruitment center in Arkansas a little over a week ago and MURDERED one of our soldiers and wounded another one. I ask -- where is the outrage over this? I heard plenty in the media about Dr. Tiller, the outrage, how the right wing is to blame for Dr. Tiller's murder, etc. I have heard hardly nothing about this shooting nor any outrage over this shooting in that it involved a Muslim who murdered one of our soldiers and injured another. So where's the outrage in this?

(CNN) -- An Arkansas man was arrested Monday in connection with a shooting at a Little Rock military recruiting center that killed one soldier and wounded another, authorities said.

Police identified the suspect as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building.

While authorities continued to investigate a motive, Thomas said Muhammad is a Muslim convert and, based on preliminary interviews with him, investigators believe there were "political and religious motives" in the shooting.

Military officials initially believed the shooting was a random act, but Thomas said police believe the shooter acted alone "with the specific purpose of targeting military personnel."

The soldier who was killed was identified as Pvt. William Long, 24, of Conway, and the wounded soldier is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, Thomas said.

Ezeagwula is in stable condition and expected to recover, the police chief said.

"I'm relieved there's a suspect in custody," said Capt. Matthew Feehan, commander of the center.

Feehan said seven other recruiters were in the building, but nobody else was injured.

Thomas said police recovered three guns from Muhammad's black Ford SUV: an SKS semi-automatic rifle, a .22-caliber rifle and a pistol.

The victims were just out of basic training and had not been deployed, said Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, commander of the Oklahoma recruiting battalion that oversees the Little Rock recruiting center.

Melvin Bledsoe of Memphis, Tennesee , who was listed on the police report as Muhammad's father, declined to comment, referring questions to Little Rock Police.

The soldiers were part of a recruiting program called "hometown recruiting assistance," Artis said. Under the program, recruiters have the soldiers tell their stories to potential recruits. It's a volunteer position taken while soldiers are visiting or based back in their home region, Artis said.

The FBI has opened an investigation into the incident, said Steven Frazier, spokesman for the agency's Little Rock office. "Based on what we find, we will determine whether there is any federal jurisdiction to prosecute," he said

mom2twins2 this is the first time I am hearing this thanks so much for posting this is so sad . I am outraged and totally upset more so because it happened to a military personal who puts his or her life on the line in wars. Thanks for posting. Peace. Catherine

Yep, FOX News has been covering it. Bill O'Reilly has been asking why the other networks aren't carrying it.

It was all over our news. Perhaps the fact that there aren't groups who list the names, addresses, and pictures of recruiters on the internet, who call recruiters evil, who harass people who do business with recruiters, who drive around with trucks with pictures of dead soldiers, who pray daily recruiters will die, who make up lies to stir up the nuts, or who circulate petitions for Grand Juries on baseless accusations. to name a few. Or, perhaps it is because the FBI and local authorities wouldn't ignore threats against a recruiter because of the job they perform. Not to mention the fact that Dr. Tiller's murder could very well be the first shot of right wing terrorism. Finally, quite frankly, while quite sad, the murder of the army recruiter by an angry Muslim is not too surprising. But, the murder of a doctor during a church service because he is doing very legal medical procedures is a signal the organizations who vilify and harrass doctors and who intimidate woman seeking medical procedures have finally gone too far.

And, seriously, what more is there to discuss about the recruiter except it is a very sad thing. The action doesn't spawn many further political or policy discussions. Our gov't has been watchful of Muslim extremist groups for a number of years now. All the vigilance in the world probably wouldn't have prevented the recruiters murder.

Just guesses though ...

Oh my, what a rant.....

It's been all over our news, too. It's very sad, and goes to show that you don't have to be on the battle field to lose your life.

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Top of CNN web page right now Soldier hurt in shooting: 'I like defending this country' - CNN.com

webpage is different than on air though...

I'm pretty sure CNN was the first place I heard of this. It almost has to be since my dh keeps cnn on almost all day on one of our t.v.'s

I know it was talked about on our local news in the morning (probably in the evening too, but I never watch then.) People are talking about it around here and I'd say most are outraged or maybe saddened would better describe it. It's a horrible thing.

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Weird. I've had CNN on more recently because I thought they had the best coverage of the Tiller murder but I didn't notice any coverage on this topic. I must have missed it.

I have no reason to believe these times and dates are not true, but I didn't go further to verify them. I rarely watch CNN television news.O'Reilly falsely claimed that on CNN "only Anderson Cooper" covered army recruiter's murder | Media Matters for America

The 1 p.m. ET hour of the June 1 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 2 p.m. hour of the June 1 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 3 p.m. hour of the June 1 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The June 1 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight
The June 1 edition of Campbell Brown: No Bias, No Bull.
The 6 a.m. hour of the June 2 edition of American Morning.
The 9 a.m. hour of the June 2 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 10 a.m. hour of the June 2 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 11 a.m. hour of the June 2 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 1 p.m. hour of the June 2 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 2 p.m. hour of the June 2 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 6 p.m. hour of the June 2 edition of The Situation Room.
The June 2 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight.
The 10 a.m. hour of the June 3 edition of CNN Newsroom.
The 1 p.m. hour of the June 3 edition of CNN Newsroom.

Actually, O'R did say that, but the very next night he retracted the statement, apologized heartily for his mis-statement, and gave them full credit for the mentionings of which he was initially unaware.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906050034

Well considering I'm not usually watching news until late in the evening that's why I missed it!

Probably, I mostly watch during the day when the kids are in school. I turn on the local news to check the weather when I get up, but as soon as dh gets home at 8am (he's 3rd shift) cnn goes on. I sit and catch bits and pieces during the day, but never really watch in the evening, usually too busy.

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Apparently, he retracted his statements because anyone who cared or paid attention saw his pants flaming. And, amazingly enough, he can't stop lying when he is caught red handed lying. He tries to qualify his statement with some prime time crapola. LOL. Funny stuff.

Sanchez slams O'Reilly for false claim that "only Anderson Cooper" covered army recruiter's murder | Media Matters for America

The lies he repeatedly told about Dr. Tiller to get his demographic riled up can't be so easily proven to be lies because of patient confidentiality. He knows that.

What sort of outrage would you like to see?

I knew about it first from an Arkansas TV website I follow for news; but it was on our national news 2000 miles away the same day it happened.

What kind of outrage would you like? Round up all the Muslims and detain them?

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I was just coming to post the same thing. The more I thought about this post, the more I wondered "what EXACTLY" is she trying to say??? Are you trying to say that the media did not cover this because Pres. Obama is in office or somehow link it that way? Are you trying to say we should hunt down Muslims since a Muslim (recently converted) did this?? WHAT are you trying to say?? Don't veil it, just say it.

Now, if you are looking for something "Obamaish" that the media is not making a big to-do about, how about we discuss the flight that the tax payers paid for, for Mrs. Obama and her children to go to France, I think??? I caught one small blurb, followed by "they will now pay for it out of their own pocket" or something. I didn't find it discussion worthy since, well, you know, us "right wingers" will grab onto anything

So, again, WHAT are you trying to say here?

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mom2twins2, I agree with you about not hearing very much about the shooting. I read where a couple of posters asked what kind of outrage would you like to see in return for the shootings. I am not sure about outrage exactly BUT how about some sort of concern or compassion for the young soldiers involved in this incident. OR is it okay that this happened to them because they are soldiers? If the same thing had happened at a civilian facility, people would be "shouting from the rooftops" about it.

There was one comment in particular that I think was completely distasteful:

nightowlrn:Finally, quite frankly, while quite sad, the murder of the army recruiter by an angry Muslim is not too surprising.

Shaking head!!

I have to agree with the others. It was all over the news near me, and I don't watch or listen to right-wing ranters. What type of outrage would you like for us to exhibit?

Damn that whack-job who murdered someone!

Is that sufficient? Or would you prefer something more bigoted:

Damn that whack-job who murdered someone! He must be a lunatic because he's a recent Muslim convert!

Let us know...

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What she said.

It was all over the news here too. I heard it first on MSNBC. l

I think this whole thing is terribly sad. We know people who work at that particular recruiting station. I just wish more people would take the time to say a little prayer, and remember not just those that lose their lives on the battlefield, but those who give their lives in accidents, training incidents, and senseless acts of violence like this.

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I haven't posted here forever but am glad I am not the only one upset about this.

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From what I could tell shortly after this there was a gag put on it all.

Another strawman. This story was all over the news and everyone I know that's heard of it is sad and sorry it happened.

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I agree.
I saw the story run throughout the day on CNN and MSNBC.

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Well, I heard speculation that this could be a new form of terroism from inside the US. Hopefully that is just speculation but it makes sense to go for the recruits, etc... if you are a terroist.

Kind of like it makes sense to kill the abortion doctors if you want to terrorize and target women, I suppose.

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I heard on the news last night that the clinic will not reopen. That's a shame, really.

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I think it was a shame that it was ever opened in the first place.

I am very, very glad that the clinic will not reopen.

Yes. Terrorism is quite an effective tool, isn't it?

Thank you for saying that. Me too! Good can come from an evil act.

A doctor from Nebraska will be stepping in to provide this service.

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Which Nazi are you quoting?

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- Stephen Colbert.

I believe the above statement says it all. Guess to some people it all depends on WHO was murdered. There is no outrage because one of our soldiers was murdered. It's just sort of 'ho hum, what do you expect.' But let someone who murders babies for a living be murdered, then the floodgates open with 'what a saint the doctor was, just doing his job, look at the crazy, the right wing did this,', and on and on.... sickening, just sickening.

Who said or implied "ho hum, what do you expect?"

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- Stephen Colbert.

I didn't see anything along that line. These were awfully young men.

Apparently, being a terrorist sympathizer is getting to you. I hope your rationalization gives you comfort.

I totally agree. The world is backwards anymore. There wasn't bashing and threads on here started about the recruiter murders like there was for the Tiller murder.

You started and removed a thread about the Tiller murder. Why didn't you start a thread over the recruiter murder? No outrage?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Ah, maybe that's because nobody referred to the recruiter as a "baby killer." Hmm, who referred to Dr. Tiller that way and then deleted her post?

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- Stephen Colbert.

The soldier wasn't a baby killer. He was a hero. He gave all to keep us safe. More than we can say about Dr. Tiller.

Not following the logic of kts and m2t2 here....shakes head....two totally different scenarios on so many levels.

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I think it really depends on where you live, how much you follow the news, etc. Both stories were on the news here an equal amount that I could see. I really think it is dependent upon what you want to see. I asked you earlier what exactly you were trying to say and I don't think you have answered it. Do you feel that the media is not covering the Soldier murder as much since it was "just a soldier"? I don't understand. You do know that our military members are murdered practically every day, right?

How about some outrage over the two journailists being imprisoned in Korea? They deserve some outrage, too. I'm not following your logic or understanding what exactly it is that you (or KTS) are trying to say here. Could you clarify it a little better?

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No logic to follow, that's the problem. Just posturing.

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Sure, I can. There has been much more coverage about Dr. Tiller's murder, whose accomplishment in life is an abortion doctor. It's all over the news, it's still on the news, local and national, it's online on front pages. Today it's still about Tiller and who is replacing him. On The Cafe board, there have been numerous references about Tiller, whether the thread is about him or not, what a great man he was, how he was a wonderful person. Then there was coverage of his funeral on the news and online.

Then we have Pvt. William Andrew Long (did anyone even know his name before?). He was a young soldier who volunteered to serve our country to keep US safe from the very type of person who murdered him. He was scheduled to ship out on the day of his funeral. He didn't get the coverage that Dr. Tiller did. His funeral wasn't front page news. Even someone here on the boards said "the murder of the army recruiter by an angry Muslim is not too surprising." Why is it not surprising? Why doesn't it make us angry? It should. I haven't seen the condemnation and anger and blame game for this young soldier's life that was made for Dr. Tiller's murder. Why is that?

Are some murders more important than others?

Great points, mom2.

I didn't see anyone post anything like....

<shrug> He's an abortion doctor. They have lots of enemies, so it's not too surprising. Murders happen every day in the U.S.

People are talking more about Dr. Tiller because it controversial. I think just about everyone agrees that the soldier's death was a tragic, not everyone feels the same about Dr. Tiller. Some believe he got what he deserves and that stirs debate.

There's just not a whole lot more to say about the soldier's death. It's horrible and sad and I think most people feel for his family, but there not really anything to debate.


It's not that surprising, but that doesn't make it any less awful. And who says it doesn't make us angry? There are a lot of things that make me angry that aren't "surprising".

No, but some spur more discussion or are more controversial than others.

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I agree, Jen. I also think there seems to be an implication that Dr. Tiller wasn't serving his country, which I disagree with. He was providing a legal, necessary service to women who will now find it that much harder to obtain the service he was courageous enough to provide -- ultimately at the cost of his own life.

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Both were victims of terrorism.

Excellent observations!

I personally am not going to start a thread for each and every news event. The question was a general one about why didn't ANYONE start a thread.

He WAS a baby killer. He stoped the beating hearts of thousands of babies in his clinic. That's a fact. It is what it is. I already explained why I deleted the thread.

If he was a baby killer, why wasn't he arrested?

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- Stephen Colbert.

I don't know why you are so obsessed with my lack of surprise. I wasn't surprised at Dr. Tiller's murder either. Does that make you feel better? I was actually surprised it took so long. Our soldiers are a symbol of the United States. They are easy to identify because they wear a uniform. They are easy targets to anyone angry and wanting to make a statement.They rarely walk around armed. I never said it didn't sadden me. The hate is bubbling over. Of the three recent terrorist murders, two would be considered 100% homegrown and would generally consider themselves on your side of the fence. I believe that is what has your ham so fried. What is a good Christian woman to do when the people she generally shares beliefs with start running around murdering those they don't like too much.

Speaking of sharing beliefs. I'm curious about your lack of apparent outrage over the recent guard killings by the white supremist that probably hangs around the types of boards a number of nutty posters here get a kick out of. Not worthy of your rage I suppose?