I debated wether or not to continue this, but, I had typed out a long response and went to post and BAM, the thread was closed.... So.....here is my reply. Carry on if you wish, or not.

Thank you for clarifying. FWIW, I am not surprised that Dr. Tiller was murdered, finally. In 1993 he was shot in both arms.

It does make me angry that this human being was murdered. I am angry when any innocent human being is murdered. I see Dr. Tiller as well as this soldier as innocent human beings. Dr. Tiller was providing a needed service, wether you personally needed his services, or saw them as needed, they were needed by some women. I really do understand your outrage at the type of procedure he performed. Believe me, I am not condoning a woman that gets a late term abortion as a last resort to birth control. My opinion, and my judgement, I guess you could say. However, there are many instances where this procedure is apparently necessary. Thankfully, I have never been in such a situation. It is comforting to know, tho, that if I were, there is someone to help me.

There are so very many things to be outraged by anymore, it's pathetic, really.

Thanks again for clarifying."

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And therein lies the problem for a lot of people: not everyone sees Tiller as an "innocent human being". I certainly don't -- I see him as someone who killed "innocent human beings"

And that's why there's more discussion about Dr. Tiller. There is something to debate. Not so with the soldier's death, we all agree he was innocent and his death was tragic.

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So his death was somehow justified or righteous to you?

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That fits my description of terrorist sympathizer.

Nope, I didn't say that so don't try to put words in my mouth

I have already stated in other posts that I believe it was wrong to kill Tiller. But do I personally feel the same sadness for his death as the recruiter's death? Nope.

Do I personally feel that the world is a better place without Tiller killing babies? Yep.

That fits my description of terrorist sympathizer.

Well you need to think about that. There is a difference. KellyJef has explained herself well.

Why not? What's the difference, then, if it doesn't make a difference what Tiller did for a living? They were both murdered.

BTW, I didn't put words in your mouth. I asked a question. Don't be so defensive and reactionary.

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You must go through an awful lot of chapstick with all this kissing up you do.

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Does it really matter what job EITHER one of them held, I'm sure their families are grieving, sad and full of questions as to WHY anyone would want to take the life of their love one. I'm also sure that Dr.tiller has children that loved him UNCONDITIONALLY, ( Remember the other post about loving your children !! ) as well as a wife and maybe even parents if they are still alive. Gezz Dr.Tiller wasn't someone on the streets taking lives, the woman CAME to him he didn't go around grabbing them pulling them in a dark alley. If he had not offered the services s1 else would have. If women are not offered abortions u know how many PARTIAL abortions there would be. If a woman wants to get rid of her baby she will find ANYWAY to do it she can. maybe even jumping into traffic causing you to wreck with YOUR family in the car.
In the end he was still a human and had love ones that are deeply sadden at his death. I just wonder if you ran into his wife, daughter, son, mother, father would you tell them how u are pleased he is dead ??

My goodness.

There really isn't any difference between those who flew the planes on 9/11 and Tiller's murderer.

They were all religious fanatics; misinformed knuckledraggers.

A Christian terrorist killed Dr. Tiller.
A recent convert Muslim terrorist killed the National Guardsman in Little Rock.
A Christian terrorist killed the Holocaust Museum guard in D.C.
All Americans.

If we are insistent upon attaching the religion to terrorists, then let's attach it to them all and include their nation of citizenship and if it's different, add their nation of residence.

Your definition of "Christian" please? I'm a Christian and I certainly take offense at the two murderers being called a Christian. They were far from being a Christian.

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I have a friend who takes offense when people use Muslim to describe the man who killed the serviceman. The point is that if we are going to use the religion to describe the murderer, we should use it to describe all murders. Most Muslims are not violent nor are they murderers but it was very important in the OP that he be described as a Muslim.

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Perhaps mainstream peaceful Muslims take offense to the shooter at the recruitment center being called a Muslim. I'm sure they don't want to be lumped in with his extremist views, but the very first half of your very first sentence of your original post was "A Muslim opened fire..."


Edit : Posted same time as usnamom

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The media said "a converted MUSLIM". That's everywhere. No where has it said 'a black man' opened fire. All have said "A converted MUSLIM". I haven't seen where the media has stated a "Christian terrorist" killed...... The liberals assume and label them "Christian terrorist". They were far from being Christian.

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And perhaps I do not consider you a Christian? I don't think that's mine to determine, it's up to each individual, not you and not me. So if you consider yourself to be a Christian, I accept your decision. So take all the offense you want to. I don't think it's your decision to make about anyone other than yourself.

Frankly I'm not sure about von Brunn but Roeder certainly considers himself a Christian. No one had any problem assigning a religion to the man previously known as Carlos Bledsoe since I can't spell his new name. So if the news can denigrate a religion by assigning that designation to Bledsoe, then surely I can assign Christianity to Roeder since he thinks of himself that way. Maybe I'm wrong about von Brunn, so the count is 1 self proclaimed Muslim, (until recently I believe also a Christian), American born terrorist, 1 self proclaimed Christian, American born terrorist, 1 currently religion unknown, American born terrorist.

All I'm saying is that if we are going to pin labels on some of our terrorists, let's be fair and label them all.

I don't even understand this comment. Rephrase your question and I'll try to answer it.

You're kidding, right Why would Tiller's family be "full of questions as to WHY anyone would want to take the life of their love one". Everyone knows the answer to that question: he was killed to prevent him from killing any more babies. Period.

Sincerely trying to stick to topic however for most people who feel the killing or muder of the abortion doctor was justified because while I totally believe in all equal rights for women on all levels, when a abortion is performed for other reasons then rape, serious health concern for the mom or a serious life threathing health issues for the unborn child, aside from these issues I agree with abortion but to be taken care of so very early in the pregnancy if at all possible. Now if that is the case ok still very sad for all around, but if not for any of these reason, just because you became pregnant and feel I do not want this baby, I feel most posters here feel its not just the women she will be okay but that baby will die. While the death of anyone is sad Dr Tiller knew he was going to perform the abortions and what the end result would be so there is a huge difference. Yes of course anyone who joins or is active in a war, which I am totally againist runs the risk of serious harm or death, the unborn child who is healthy has no voice and that is just plain sad for me to even understand.A question here how would you posters who feel the murder of Dr Tiller was so sad yet how about if he performed say 4 or 5 abortions on the same lady how would you feel then...See the women can keep getting pregnant and decide each time whether to abort to deliver, but the soldier or soldiers only get one chance at their life...In the end I guess we will never have all the answers... Peace. Catherine

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Is that OK for you? Do you think that his murder is worth less condemnation than the murder of the recruiter? Is it more understandable? Is it more acceptable? Is it less appalling to you?

No, as a matter of fact I'm not kidding. You really believe that it's OK to kill someone just because of their job ??. What about the 100's if not 1000's of woman that are given the wrong medication and it causes them to abort their babies ?. The doctor in all forms of the word KILLED that baby by his neglect by not issuing the right meds to the woman, the death is on HIS-HER hands.. So we are allowed to kill them ??. What about the old lady that stepped on the gas instead of the breaks and killed a pregnant woman and her baby. Should she also be killed for taking the life of the baby and mother ?.

All these people took the lives of the baby and now we can go off killing them ??.... U see it anyway you want but in the end he was STILL loved and sadly missed by HIS family. I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted this to happen to him ESPECIALLY since what he did for a living was LEGAL !

P.s... the men and woman in service over seas are also doing their JOB which at times takes the life's of the innocent. you going to go around picking and choosing which one gets to live or dies at the hands of ANTI-WAR nut cases ?.

Edit to add. I tried to get a good figure on how many have died at the hands of Americans but depending on the website it ranged from 5,000 all the way to 65,000 one site stated 1 in every 4 military personnel had killed a civilian.. Do you think these people had a voice in being killed ?... , so what makes these people voiceless ?.

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Maybe that's why those young soldiers were shot. Because someone thought if they kept doing when they do, innocent lives would be lost.

Why would a family wonder why someone was killed for doing a legal job? Why wouldn't they? Shot just because you're doing your job, like Stephen Johns?

[Before the fringe elements jump on my back (not that this will stop them), I'm not agreeing with that logic -- just saying that it's a theory.]

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