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The jokes and rude comments started about Chelsea Clinton by the press. At some point, I think one or both of the Clintons asked that they leave her, a child, alone. And the press did just that overall. Of course Bill gave them plenty to cover anyway. As I remember it, the press did stop and mostly behaved themselves. I don't remember much about the Bush twins either except a brush with alcohol. I think we will hear nothing remotely negative about the Obama girls. I hope it's a lesson learned the press continues on a respectful path. Those things being said, Letterman isn't the press and some of them will, obviously do and say anything. Personally, I believe minors are off limits period. dl |
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| Don Imus isn't the 'press' either but he lost his job. I think all children should be off limits whether it be press or comedians. However, the jokes about Chelsea Clinton never contained offensive sexual references to basically being raped by a baseball player and then getting laughs off it.
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How is he referring to Bristol?? She was not even on the trip to NY, was she??? During his opening monologue on CBS’ “Late Night” Monday, Letterman poked fun at Palin’s visit with her family to a New York Yankees game this past weekend. “There was one awkward moment during the seventh inning stretch,” Letterman said. “Her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.” Letterman also said the hardest part about the Palins’ trip to New York was “keeping [former New York Gov.] Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter.”
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Letterman is not likely as up on his Palins as those who follow her as fans. More than likely he never even saw a picture of Sara and Willow at the game. The joke, intended to be about Bristol, was in very poor taste. i have no doubt that he didn't mean that Willow was a slut like her older sister. |
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I heard him that night and I sure thought he was talking about the older one. I guess I had forgotten there was more than one. I suspect he had no idea that it wasn't the right daughter. He did apologize and now the Palin's are busy martyring themselves and their children for more publicity. Have they no shame? Let it go. It's done. They keep dragging their kids through the media and then blaming the results on everyone else. If they don't want them talked about, quit putting them out there. They were right to complain at first, but to keep complaining gets old and the only purpose it serves is to keep her face in the limelight.
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Typically I agree that comments about a famous person's child should be off-limits. However, I felt that Letterman's jokes were making A-Rod and Eliot Spitzer the actual butts of the jokes more than the Palins' daughters. However, since both of the Palins pointed out that they found the jokes offensive, I think Dave should have quickly and sincerely apologized directly to the girls. Heck, when he's offended true, more natural targets of his humor (such as Paris Hilton), he's often called them directly, and said sorry. Then again, he doesn't want to reduce his chances for future guest appearances the real major stars... I do think Sarah Palin is getting a great deal of mileage/exposure out of her continuous pushing for an apology. She is milking this. Now it's pathetic, and any further apology will be seen as coerced,
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And don't forget the manwhores. They always get off easy (absolutely no pun intended) in discussions like this. We need to be fair that plenty of men are out there in the same equivalency. dl |
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He was disrespectful. I don't care if you are conservative or liberal. The jokes were not in the least bit funny. He needs to apologize to the girl directly and for what he said about her mother. Make the apology and drop it.
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| Dave's joke was tacky, but I don't think he was referring to rape as alleged. I think at this point, the Palins are using all their daughters as political tools.
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Yes we know he is a comedian I said before I do like him however this time he was wrong, you should never ever poke fun at children or disabled people or any racist jokes but again that is just me. Boy oh boy do I miss the old comedians Ilovelucy and the Honeymooners good clean honest to good really really funny stuff. Look honestly I do not care for Palin and I am happy that Obama is our president, but I do not like it for neither one of their children to be poked a joke at.. poor taste... Peace. Catherine
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We have to get Palin and the right wing pundits to drop it. |
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You keep forgetting the manwhores. dl |
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Geeezzzzz, just because Bristol didn't have an abortion so that the world wouldn't know she got "knocked up" now she's a slut???? I can't believe someone would call her that on here. Disgusting. And children should be off limits, period. His apology was weak. He never just came out and said "I'm sorry, that was in poor taste, and I offer my apologies to the family". THAT'S an apology. Don't forget that Letterman got mad at Julia Roberts on his show once because she dared to ask him questions about his wife. Talk about a hyprocrit. He guards his privacy like no one else does but doesn't mind making jokes about young women getting knocked up.
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Your last sentence really is classy, btw
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How do you know it was a one night stand??? Or, are you one of these wack jobs that thinks any woman who has sex is slut??? Oh ,no, wait, just Republican women, I guess???
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| Must you always bring up abortion? How about the alternative of Bristol using birth control, or if that is against her beliefs, not having sex?
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Given that Bristol has decided to be a spokesperson for abstinence -- kind of like Bill Clinton being a spokesperson for marital fidelity, quite a joke -- I think she's fair game. She put herself on the cover of People, on the Today show, and as a spokesperson. She doesn't get to claim private status anymore. And who first put her in the public eye? That would be Mommie Dearest. Doesn't she have a state to run or something? The good news is that the more she stays in the spotlight, the more she makes a fool of herself.
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It's odd to me that Republicans hold themselves out as paragons of virtue all while maintaining a higher divorce rate, higher out of wedlock births and do look at the SAT scores coming out of the solid red states along with the poverty rates. They know the Bible better than any Democrat and what's best for me and mine. Sluttiness of women who get abortions is part of the anti choice argument. It always has been. |
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"Todd saying it was a rape joke? That's ridiculous. Accusing Letterman of being a pedophile? Seriously stupid. " I agree that is stupid. I think they are taking it a bit overboard! If Letterman apologized I think the Palins should drop it.
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Where in the world did you get the statistics that you're throwing out? Has it occurred to you that they are completely misleading?? While you claim Republicans had "higher divorce rates" - did your source give statistics regarding which (Republicans or Democrats) choose to live together rather than marrying? Regarding the Repubican "higher out-of-wedlock births," we're speaking of Republicans that did carry their babies to term, then, correct? Were there any statistics for plain ol' "pregnancies out of wedlock?" Probably too much to ask...or perhaps the statistics might not help your argument? You're grasping.
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But that's just anecdotal, of course. Meaningless. Fun, though.
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Are you saying that Republicans choose to live together rather than marry? I hadn't seen statistics on that. |
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Fun? I accidentally clicked this thread before I had logged in thus my IGNORE feature was not activated yet and I saw what a couple of people that I don't normally have the time of day for had posted. Sick! Sick to even "joke" about. Sick to even consider. Trash in... Trash out. Consider the source where Letterman's concerned. X
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Funny? Maybe sometimes. But I have problems with Desi constantly telling Lucy what she can and can't do. And Ralph Kramden always mean spirited and threatening to send Alice to the moon. I was young when we watched them and I found them funny then. No so much now. I cringe at some of the dialog and attitudes foisted on the viewing public at that time. |
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I'm certain that Letterman did not have the 14 year old in mind, he may be crude but I'm willing to bet that he doesn't find child rape to be funny. I took the jokes to be a smack on the MEN named than the woman/girl. They're pretty much known to be manwhores who will prey on just about anything. Sarah Palin just can't accept that all the attention that was heaped on her during the election is now OVER. She's desperate for attention and will do just about anything to keep her face in the spotlight, including using her children.
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Some of you democrats are so blinded of truth by your political views it is amazing...if the joke was made by a conservative about Michelle Obama's daughters you would be up in arms. |
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While I think that the children of celebs ought to be 'off limits' to the media, Bristol opened herself up as a target when she did the cover of People and a round of talk shows. Letterman just had the wrong daughter in mind when he told the joke.....it WAS funny to some of us.....A Rod is a man whore, constantly in the tabloids. Her 'Outrage' is fake and she is showing her ignorance again.
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Mom2twins2, do YOU have a direct link to MY brain? I'm guessing not because if you did you'd see that I AM NOT a democrat, have never been a democrat and never intend to become a democrat. I am an INDEPENDENT, thankyouveryfreakingmuch, not that I can see what the hell my political affiliation has to do with anything I stated in my post. I have voted for republicans, democrats, independents and even write in candidates. I'm certainly not blinded by any sort of political belief and would not become hysterical about anything that a comedian could say about someone I voted for. Why? Because I have better things to do. I'd have the same feelings no matter WHOSE children the comments were about. Chelsea Clinton(when she was younger), the Obama kids, the Bush twins(at a younger age), etc., because I really don't give a rats rump in the end. What hack late night comedians have to say about the kids of people in the public eye doesn't affect my day to day life one tiny bit. I got up, went to work, paid the taxes, fed the cat, etc. just the same as every other day. The fact that a politician and a late night comedian are at odds over a joke made in poor taste didn't even register on my radar. Yes, the joke was in poor taste but I still am certain that it was not intended to make light of child rape. Wow, you need to calm down. Now I'm off to find something better to do than continue playing with the crazy kids. Nothing like giving an opinion and getting branded a democrat for it. Now THAT is offensive, lol!
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I am sure that the Palin's were thrilled to have this happen. They are in the public eye and will milk this for all they can. The word rape was never mentioned by anyone but Willow's parents. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. But I suppose it is another easy way to divide America. I heard Sara say that people in Hollywood and on the East Coast do not share the same values or something like that as the rest of America. Something along those lines. She is still about division. The us against them....those commie Hollywood TV types who do not feel about their children like she and her followers do. No one mentioned pedophile except the Palins. It is plain to see if those "Conservatives" would take off their blinders and quit drinking the kool aid.
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David Letterman issued an apology of sorts. If you didn't actually SEE the "apology", you really need to. You can not get the tone by what is written. You tube has all sorts of clips on it. You have to weed thru everyone's take on the situation, but, you can see the "apology" YouTube - David Letterman's Non-Apology Apology to Sarah Palin—Typical No-Class Leftist YouTube - Countdown: Did Sarah Palin Overreact To Letterman's Jokes?
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Wildwood sorry to disagree but you sincerely find Ilovelucy and the Honeymooners not funny omg dear they are and still are after all these years classic side splitting funny to the core television shows that I could personally watch a million times over and while I know them word for word I still laugh till I drop..... Peace. Catherine
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1. Teenagers are going to make mistakes, some are going to have sex, some are going to get pregnant whether or not their parents buy their birth control for them or teach abstinence. It doesn't matter if the parents are Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Communists, Jews, Christians, etc.... It just is the way it is. 2. Lettermans joke was in poor taste, at best. Yes, Arod and some men are nasty, but I think most people still look at the "woman" in these types of jokes. Whoever wrote the joke knew that Palin was in town and at the game with her daughter. Seems to me the joke writer has some blame to take for this. 3. Bristols pregnancy really has nothing to do with her Christian upbringing or her parents teaching her abstinence, etc... To rip her apart now because she is trying to talk to her peers about abstinence is immature and mean-spirited. Who better to preach the effects of unprotected teen sex than a teen mother? |
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Holy God, it's 1978. I'm in a time capsule. In 1978, I'm a young Catholic, attending CCD classes. My priest is Father Miller. He is teaching us young Catholic students about sex education. He actually can't say the word "sex." He bites back on the word every time it comes up. It sounds like "sec." So, I had "sec education." So it's 1978, and Father Miller is ranting about sec. We students are 16, 17, 18 years old. We are pretty hardened cases at this point. We've already had years of hearing about how we aren't confessing to masturbation. But Father Miller is really incensed this night. He tells us that statistics show that more Catholic girls are having out of wedlock babies than are Protestant girls. He says that he doesn't know whether this means that Catholic girls are less chaste then Lutherans (which were the only Protestants around in my home town), or whether it was merely a function that those Lutheran girls were more likely to be using birth control. He tells us, though, that Catholic girls are sinning. And the boys are no better. They are telling the girls that it would only be once, and then it is twice, and then it is a third time, and then eventually, it is all the time. This seemed like a bizarre argument at the time. The argument doesn't seem any less odd 30 years later. So, if you say that the two parties have differences that go beyond plain statistics, where is your proof? Do you have something that says that Republicans have different marital rates or different birth control use or different rates of carrying pregnancies to term than do Democrats which might explain the statistics mentioned? Because if you are going to attack someone's statistics, you might want to have some to back up your own points, and some explanation as to why. Otherwise, I feel like I'm back in 1978. And Father Miller is telling me that he isn't hearing enough of us confess to masturbation. And wanting to know whether Catholics were getting pregnant more because they were having more sex or whether it was because we were having the same amount of sex but with fewer protections against pregnancy. Surely, we've advanced beyond that. Letterman's joke was dumb. I thought it referred to Bristol, and until the Republicans came out beating the drums, didn't even imagine that anyone would possibly consider that it referred to the younger Willow. And seriously, you really, in your hearts, don't think it did, do you. It would be a horrible thing, wouldn't it, if an entertainer held up to ridicule a young girl. Like, let's imagine if someone, in 1993, mentioned to his TV audience that the Clintons had a cat, and displayed a photo of the well-known White House cat, "Socks." And then he went on, "But did you know they also have a White House dog?", at which point what came up on the screen was a picture of thirteen-year-old Chelsea Clinton. And that, my friends, was the joke made by the person who according to polls last week is identified as being the face of the Republican party: Rush Limbaugh. Letterman's joke = stupid and tasteless, but not aimed at an adolescent if you believe Letterman, which I do. Limbaugh's joke = mean and nasty, and explicitly referred to and demeaned an adolescent. Neither joke was a good thing. But only one was very explicitly designed to demean a young girl. And it wasn't Letterman's. |
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Maybe Letterman should sweep his own door step. His 'longtime girl friend" got pregnant and it took him over 5 yrs to marry her!Quote:
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It's ridiculous to compare Letterman's parental situation with Bristol's. Letterman is fully capable of supporting a child and was with the child's mother for a longer time than Bristol was ever with Levi. Bristol is dependent on her parents for that child's support -- except of course for what she gets for the pimping abstinence, which clearly worked so well for her that she wants all other teens to do the same. Images of happy Bristol on the cover of people with the child, or chatting with Matt Lauer on the Today show don't exactly paint a picture of a typical struggling teenage mom.
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I also believe that Bristol, through her own and her mother's actions, has made herself a public figure. The Obama girls have not. Moreover, Bristol is an adult. The Obama girls, and Chelsea Clinton at the time of the Limbaugh/McCain cracks, was not. Finally, getting knocked-up is your own damn fault. Being a less than attractive 13 year old is not. And I do agree with Letterman that Sarah Palin does dress like a slutty flight attendant, although I have reservations about bringing flight attendants into it. Serious people running for the second highest office in the land generally would not be wearing red peep-toe pumps, leather outfits, and red toes with sparkles on them. It's cute, but it doesn't create the feeling that the person sporting those items is remotely a serious person.
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Start with the baby's father, I think his name was Levi. Conveniently skip over the fact that they were in a relationship, there are no reports that either slept around, and yet you keep calling her a slut. Take the names out of the equation. Boy & girl in a relationship, neither sleeping around - how does that make the girl a slut? What a nasty statement. dl |
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Here's what I don't get - the same posters who complain about people not taking "personal responsibility" are the same ones that defend Palin's daughter for having a baby outside of marriage. Are Bristol and her boyfriend covering all the expenses for that baby? Is she living on her own? If her parent's weren't supporting her, she would be using taxpayer money in the form of WIC, food stamps, and so on. Then, the same people who are defending Bristol would be blasting her for "being on the dole." Why the hypocrisy?
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I too, disagree with you here. She is not a slut. Ignorant maybe. Misguided certainly. A product of her parents surely, but not a slut. I think we need to reserve the term "slut" for politicians and corporate honchos who sell their souls to the highest bidder. |
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