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Old 06-12-2009, 01:48 PM
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Thumbs down David Letterman's Comment About Palin's Daughter

Here's the excerpt from The Today Show where Sarah Palin was interviewed by Matt Lauer.

I think Letterman definitely crossed the line in his so-called 'jokes'. Don Imus was fired for his comments. And David Letterman isn't even getting a smack on the hand for what he said. Every woman in America should be angry at his comments. He's a nasty old man who has no respect for women. The nerve of the jerk saying in the seventh inning stretch, Palin's daughter got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez. What kind of sick joke is that?

Palin: Letterman owes apology to young women
Governor says funnyman ‘crossed the line’ with jokes about her daughters.


Palin: Letterman 'crossed the line'
June 12: TODAY’s Matt Lauer talks with Alaska’s Gov. Sarah Palin about her ongoing feud with David Letterman. She says Letterman’s assertion that he was referring to Palin’s elder daughter in an off-color quip does not ring true.


TODAY Palin: ‘Naïve to believe Letterman’
June 12: TODAY’s Matt Lauer talks with Alaska’s Gov. Sarah Palin about her ongoing feud with David Letterman. She says Letterman’s assertion that he was referring to Palin’s elder daughter in an off-color quip does not ring true.

Palin: Letterman 'crossed the line'
By Jerry DeMarco
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updated 9:01 a.m. ET, Fri., June 12, 2009
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Friday that “Late Night” host David Letterman “crossed the line” when he joked about her daughters.

“I would like to see him apologize to young women across the country” for contributing to a culture “that says it’s OK to talk about statutory rape,” Palin told Matt Lauer on TODAY. “It's not cool; it's not funny.”

During his opening monologue on CBS’ “Late Night” Monday, Letterman poked fun at Palin’s visit with her family to a New York Yankees game this past weekend. “There was one awkward moment during the seventh inning stretch,” Letterman said. “Her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”

Letterman also said the hardest part about the Palins’ trip to New York was “keeping [former New York Gov.] Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter.”

“I don't find it humorous,” Palin said Friday. Speaking by satellite from Texas, where she’s championing a $26 billion natural gas energy pipeline for her home state, Palin criticized “acceptance of a celebrity being able to get away with a disparaging comment that does erode a young girl’s self-esteem and does contribute to some of the problems we have in society.”

Letterman did give an apology of sorts later in the week when it became clear that it was Palin’s younger daughter, Willow, 14, who had come to town — not Willow’s older sister, Bristol, who has broken up with the father of her infant son. But Palin declined Letterman’s offer to appear on his show, saying “it would be wise to keep Willow away from” him.

On TODAY Friday, Lauer asked the governor if she had been implying that Willow would not be safe around the late-night comedian. “Take it however you want to take it,” Palin replied. “It was a comment that came from the heart.”

“Hey, it's not in bad taste,” the governor added. “Maybe he couldn’t be trusted because Willow has had enough of these kinds of antics, and maybe she would want to react in a way that would take him off guard.”

June 11: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says “Late Night” host David Letterman’s jokes about one of her daughters were “sexually perverted” and “disgusting.” Now Letterman is responding to her comments.

Palin told Lauer that she first heard about Letterman’s jokes while being interviewed on a radio show Tuesday — including one that alleged that the governor was in New York to pick up some “slutty flight attendant” lipstick.

“My first opinion was, ‘Don't disparage flight attendants,’ ” Palin told Lauer. “They work hard. We love ’em.” Only after that, she said, did she learn there was a joke “about statutory rape about my daughter, Willow.”

On Friday Palin said that the attitude displayed in Letterman’s routine “does contribute to some acceptance of abuse of young women.” She called it “a sad commentary on where we are as a culture, as a society, to chuckle and laugh through [such] comments.”

As for Letterman’s excuse that he didn’t realize Willow was at the game and not Bristol, “You and anybody else are extremely naive to believe their convenient excuse,” she told Lauer. “It took him a couple of days to think of that excuse. Regardless, it was a degrading comment about a young woman.

“During the campaign, Gov. Obama said family is off limits,” Palin told Lauer. “The ‘candidate who must be obeyed’ adhered to that,” she said. “But they haven't done that on the other side of the ticket. So that's a political double standard.”
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:54 PM
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The jokes and rude comments started about Chelsea Clinton by the press. At some point, I think one or both of the Clintons asked that they leave her, a child, alone. And the press did just that overall. Of course Bill gave them plenty to cover anyway.

As I remember it, the press did stop and mostly behaved themselves. I don't remember much about the Bush twins either except a brush with alcohol. I think we will hear nothing remotely negative about the Obama girls. I hope it's a lesson learned the press continues on a respectful path.

Those things being said, Letterman isn't the press and some of them will, obviously do and say anything.

Personally, I believe minors are off limits period.

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Old 06-12-2009, 02:37 PM
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Those things being said, Letterman isn't the press and some of them will, obviously do and say anything.

Personally, I believe minors are off limits period.

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Don Imus isn't the 'press' either but he lost his job. I think all children should be off limits whether it be press or comedians. However, the jokes about Chelsea Clinton never contained offensive sexual references to basically being raped by a baseball player and then getting laughs off it.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:38 PM
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I think if she's going to remain in politics she needs to grow a lot thicker skin. The joke was meant for the older girl that already got herself knocked up...I don't think DL ever once thought it was her younger daughter that the joke appeared to address.
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I think if she's going to remain in politics she needs to grow a lot thicker skin. The joke was meant for the older girl that already got herself knocked up...I don't think DL ever once thought it was her younger daughter that the joke appeared to address.

How is he referring to Bristol?? She was not even on the trip to NY, was she???

During his opening monologue on CBS’ “Late Night” Monday, Letterman poked fun at Palin’s visit with her family to a New York Yankees game this past weekend. “There was one awkward moment during the seventh inning stretch,” Letterman said. “Her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”

Letterman also said the hardest part about the Palins’ trip to New York was “keeping [former New York Gov.] Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter.”
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Letterman is not likely as up on his Palins as those who follow her as fans. More than likely he never even saw a picture of Sara and Willow at the game.

The joke, intended to be about Bristol, was in very poor taste. i have no doubt that he didn't mean that Willow was a slut like her older sister.
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Old 06-12-2009, 03:34 PM
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I heard him that night and I sure thought he was talking about the older one. I guess I had forgotten there was more than one. I suspect he had no idea that it wasn't the right daughter. He did apologize and now the Palin's are busy martyring themselves and their children for more publicity. Have they no shame? Let it go. It's done. They keep dragging their kids through the media and then blaming the results on everyone else. If they don't want them talked about, quit putting them out there. They were right to complain at first, but to keep complaining gets old and the only purpose it serves is to keep her face in the limelight.
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Old 06-12-2009, 03:38 PM
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Typically I agree that comments about a famous person's child should be off-limits. However, I felt that Letterman's jokes were making A-Rod and Eliot Spitzer the actual butts of the jokes more than the Palins' daughters.

However, since both of the Palins pointed out that they found the jokes offensive, I think Dave should have quickly and sincerely apologized directly to the girls. Heck, when he's offended true, more natural targets of his humor (such as Paris Hilton), he's often called them directly, and said sorry. Then again, he doesn't want to reduce his chances for future guest appearances the real major stars...

I do think Sarah Palin is getting a great deal of mileage/exposure out of her continuous pushing for an apology. She is milking this.

Now it's pathetic, and any further apology will be seen as coerced,
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Letterman is not likely as up on his Palins as those who follow her as fans. More than likely he never even saw a picture of Sara and Willow at the game.

The joke, intended to be about Bristol, was in very poor taste. i have no doubt that he didn't mean that Willow was a slut like her older sister.
With that thought process about sluts, then the world is vastly over populated with them. Many, many women have sex when unmarried - although I define slut as someone who sleeps around - and while I don't follow the Palins, seems she was in a relationship at the time with the baby's father.

And don't forget the manwhores. They always get off easy (absolutely no pun intended) in discussions like this. We need to be fair that plenty of men are out there in the same equivalency.

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Old 06-12-2009, 03:43 PM
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He was disrespectful. I don't care if you are conservative or liberal. The jokes were not in the least bit funny. He needs to apologize to the girl directly and for what he said about her mother. Make the apology and drop it.
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Old 06-12-2009, 03:50 PM
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Dave's joke was tacky, but I don't think he was referring to rape as alleged.
I think at this point, the Palins are using all their daughters as political tools.
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Old 06-12-2009, 04:05 PM
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He's a freakin' comedian...GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-12-2009, 04:17 PM
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He's a freakin' comedian...GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So all of you that see this 'joke' as no big deal, he's a comedian, politicans are fair game --- it would be all right if Letterman had substituted one of the Obama girls' names instead of Palin's daughter? Palin's daughter is only 14.
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Yes we know he is a comedian I said before I do like him however this time he was wrong, you should never ever poke fun at children or disabled people or any racist jokes but again that is just me. Boy oh boy do I miss the old comedians Ilovelucy and the Honeymooners good clean honest to good really really funny stuff. Look honestly I do not care for Palin and I am happy that Obama is our president, but I do not like it for neither one of their children to be poked a joke at.. poor taste... Peace. Catherine
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I heard him that night and I sure thought he was talking about the older one. I guess I had forgotten there was more than one. I suspect he had no idea that it wasn't the right daughter. He did apologize and now the Palin's are busy martyring themselves and their children for more publicity. Have they no shame? Let it go. It's done. They keep dragging their kids through the media and then blaming the results on everyone else. If they don't want them talked about, quit putting them out there. They were right to complain at first, but to keep complaining gets old and the only purpose it serves is to keep her face in the limelight.
No kidding. I just saw a video of Palin on a morning show with Matt Lauer. What's that all about? Why is she prolonging this? Her behavior is as tasteless as Letterman's at this point.
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He was disrespectful. I don't care if you are conservative or liberal. The jokes were not in the least bit funny. He needs to apologize to the girl directly and for what he said about her mother. Make the apology and drop it.
He has apologized. He sounded sincere to me.

We have to get Palin and the right wing pundits to drop it.
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With that thought process about sluts, then the world is vastly over populated with them. Many, many women have sex when unmarried - although I define slut as someone who sleeps around - and while I don't follow the Palins, seems she was in a relationship at the time with the baby's father.

And don't forget the manwhores. They always get off easy (absolutely no pun intended) in discussions like this. We need to be fair that plenty of men are out there in the same equivalency.

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All sluts are involved in relationships however briefly. It takes two to have a one night stand.
So women in relationships are sluts, and yet Palin's daughter (whichever one had the baby) wasn't in a relationship?

You keep forgetting the manwhores.

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Geeezzzzz, just because Bristol didn't have an abortion so that the world wouldn't know she got "knocked up" now she's a slut???? I can't believe someone would call her that on here. Disgusting. And children should be off limits, period. His apology was weak. He never just came out and said "I'm sorry, that was in poor taste, and I offer my apologies to the family". THAT'S an apology. Don't forget that Letterman got mad at Julia Roberts on his show once because she dared to ask him questions about his wife. Talk about a hyprocrit. He guards his privacy like no one else does but doesn't mind making jokes about young women getting knocked up.
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Letterman is not likely as up on his Palins as those who follow her as fans. More than likely he never even saw a picture of Sara and Willow at the game.

The joke, intended to be about Bristol, was in very poor taste. i have no doubt that he didn't mean that Willow was a slut like her older sister.
OMG, where to begin??? First of all, I had no idea the Palins were even IN NYC. I don't "folllow" them, and I am certainly not a "fan" as you state. I heard about it the other night when he was issueing his so-called apology, which did nothing more than solicit more laughs.

Your last sentence really is classy, btw
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All sluts are involved in relationships however briefly. It takes two to have a one night stand.

How do you know it was a one night stand??? Or, are you one of these wack jobs that thinks any woman who has sex is slut??? Oh ,no, wait, just Republican women, I guess???
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Geeezzzzz, just because Bristol didn't have an abortion so that the world wouldn't know she got "knocked up" now she's a slut????
Must you always bring up abortion? How about the alternative of Bristol using birth control, or if that is against her beliefs, not having sex?
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He was disrespectful. I don't care if you are conservative or liberal. The jokes were not in the least bit funny. He needs to apologize to the girl directly and for what he said about her mother. Make the apology and drop it.
He did. It's the Palins that are milking this thing for all it's worth. Todd saying it was a rape joke? That's ridiculous. Accusing Letterman of being a pedophile? Seriously stupid. How is anyone supposed to take Gov. Palin seriously when she keeps acting like Dumb and Dumber?

Given that Bristol has decided to be a spokesperson for abstinence -- kind of like Bill Clinton being a spokesperson for marital fidelity, quite a joke -- I think she's fair game. She put herself on the cover of People, on the Today show, and as a spokesperson. She doesn't get to claim private status anymore. And who first put her in the public eye? That would be Mommie Dearest.


Doesn't she have a state to run or something? The good news is that the more she stays in the spotlight, the more she makes a fool of herself.
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How do you know it was a one night stand??? Or, are you one of these wack jobs that thinks any woman who has sex is slut??? Oh ,no, wait, just Republican women, I guess???
Nope, I actually said this tongue in cheek. First of all, I do not think that Bristol Palin was anything more than a silly child when she got pregnant. It could have been the whole hockey team for all I know or care.

It's odd to me that Republicans hold themselves out as paragons of virtue all while maintaining a higher divorce rate, higher out of wedlock births and do look at the SAT scores coming out of the solid red states along with the poverty rates. They know the Bible better than any Democrat and what's best for me and mine.

Sluttiness of women who get abortions is part of the anti choice argument. It always has been.
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"Todd saying it was a rape joke? That's ridiculous. Accusing Letterman of being a pedophile? Seriously stupid. "
I agree that is stupid. I think they are taking it a bit overboard! If Letterman apologized I think the Palins should drop it.
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The family values party -- the party of Newt Gingrich ("sorry you've got cancer, I need a divorce), David Vitter ("where's my hooker?) and Mark Foley ("I like that young meat!"), you mean?
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It's odd to me that Republicans hold themselves out as paragons of virtue all while maintaining a higher divorce rate, higher out of wedlock births and do look at the SAT scores coming out of the solid red states along with the poverty rates. They know the Bible better than any Democrat and what's best for me and mine.
Oh, my - where to begin...

Where in the world did you get the statistics that you're throwing out? Has it occurred to you that they are completely misleading??

While you claim Republicans had "higher divorce rates" - did your source give statistics regarding which (Republicans or Democrats) choose to live together rather than marrying?

Regarding the Repubican "higher out-of-wedlock births," we're speaking of Republicans that did carry their babies to term, then, correct? Were there any statistics for plain ol' "pregnancies out of wedlock?" Probably too much to ask...or perhaps the statistics might not help your argument?

You're grasping.
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Regarding the Repubican "higher out-of-wedlock births," we're speaking of party members that did carry their babies to term, then, correct? Were there any statistics for plain ol' "pregnancies out of wedlock?" Probably too much to ask...or perhaps the statistics might not help your argument?
You're grasping.
I can tell you for a fact that there are more divorces in Newt Gingrich's family than in my liberal family, more unwed pregnancies in Sarah Palin's than in mine, more husbands catting around in David Vitter's family than in mine, and more men molesting male children in Mark Foley's family than in mine.

But that's just anecdotal, of course. Meaningless. Fun, though.
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Oh, my - where to begin...

Where in the world did you get the statistics that you're throwing out? Has it occurred to you that they are completely misleading??

While you claim Republicans had "higher divorce rates" - did your source give statistics regarding which party members choose to live together rather than marrying?

Regarding the Repubican "higher out-of-wedlock births," we're speaking of party members that did carry their babies to term, then, correct? Were there any statistics for plain ol' "pregnancies out of wedlock?" Probably too much to ask...or perhaps the statistics might not help your argument?

You're grasping.
The statistics apply to the red states. That means the South. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, there will never be a birth so your point is moot.

Are you saying that Republicans choose to live together rather than marry? I hadn't seen statistics on that.
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I can tell you for a fact that there are more divorces in Newt Gingrich's family than in my liberal family, more unwed pregnancies in Sarah Palin's than in mine, more husbands catting around in David Vitter's family than in mine, and more men molesting male children in Mark Foley's family than in mine.

But that's just anecdotal, of course. Meaningless. Fun, though.
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I accidentally clicked this thread before I had logged in thus my IGNORE feature was not activated yet and I saw what a couple of people that I don't normally have the time of day for had posted.

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Funny? Maybe sometimes. But I have problems with Desi constantly telling Lucy what she can and can't do. And Ralph Kramden always mean spirited and threatening to send Alice to the moon. I was young when we watched them and I found them funny then. No so much now. I cringe at some of the dialog and attitudes foisted on the viewing public at that time.
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I'm certain that Letterman did not have the 14 year old in mind, he may be crude but I'm willing to bet that he doesn't find child rape to be funny.

I took the jokes to be a smack on the MEN named than the woman/girl. They're pretty much known to be manwhores who will prey on just about anything.

Sarah Palin just can't accept that all the attention that was heaped on her during the election is now OVER. She's desperate for attention and will do just about anything to keep her face in the spotlight, including using her children.
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I'm certain that Letterman did not have the 14 year old in mind, he may be crude but I'm willing to bet that he doesn't find child rape to be funny.

I took the jokes to be a smack on the MEN named than the woman/girl. They're pretty much known to be manwhores who will prey on just about anything.

Sarah Palin just can't accept that all the attention that was heaped on her during the election is now OVER. She's desperate for attention and will do just about anything to keep her face in the spotlight, including using her children.
Wow, didn't know you had a direct line to Letterman. For certain, huh?

Some of you democrats are so blinded of truth by your political views it is amazing...if the joke was made by a conservative about Michelle Obama's daughters you would be up in arms.
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While I think that the children of celebs ought to be 'off limits' to the media, Bristol opened herself up as a target when she did the cover of People and a round of talk shows. Letterman just had the wrong daughter in mind when he told the joke.....it WAS funny to some of us.....A Rod is a man whore, constantly in the tabloids. Her 'Outrage' is fake and she is showing her ignorance again.
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Mom2twins2, do YOU have a direct link to MY brain? I'm guessing not because if you did you'd see that I AM NOT a democrat, have never been a democrat and never intend to become a democrat. I am an INDEPENDENT, thankyouveryfreakingmuch, not that I can see what the hell my political affiliation has to do with anything I stated in my post. I have voted for republicans, democrats, independents and even write in candidates. I'm certainly not blinded by any sort of political belief and would not become hysterical about anything that a comedian could say about someone I voted for. Why? Because I have better things to do.

I'd have the same feelings no matter WHOSE children the comments were about. Chelsea Clinton(when she was younger), the Obama kids, the Bush twins(at a younger age), etc., because I really don't give a rats rump in the end. What hack late night comedians have to say about the kids of people in the public eye doesn't affect my day to day life one tiny bit. I got up, went to work, paid the taxes, fed the cat, etc. just the same as every other day. The fact that a politician and a late night comedian are at odds over a joke made in poor taste didn't even register on my radar.

Yes, the joke was in poor taste but I still am certain that it was not intended to make light of child rape.

Wow, you need to calm down.

Now I'm off to find something better to do than continue playing with the crazy kids. Nothing like giving an opinion and getting branded a democrat for it. Now THAT is offensive, lol!
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I am sure that the Palin's were thrilled to have this happen. They are in the public eye and will milk this for all they can. The word rape was never mentioned by anyone but Willow's parents. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. But I suppose it is another easy way to divide America. I heard Sara say that people in Hollywood and on the East Coast do not share the same values or something like that as the rest of America. Something along those lines. She is still about division. The us against them....those commie Hollywood TV types who do not feel about their children like she and her followers do. No one mentioned pedophile except the Palins. It is plain to see if those "Conservatives" would take off their blinders and quit drinking the kool aid.
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Mom2twins2, do YOU have a direct link to MY brain? I'm guessing not because if you did you'd see that I AM NOT a democrat, have never been a democrat and never intend to become a democrat. I am an INDEPENDENT, thankyouveryfreakingmuch, not that I can see what the hell my political affiliation has to do with anything I stated in my post. I have voted for republicans, democrats, independents and even write in candidates. I'm certainly not blinded by any sort of political belief and would not become hysterical about anything that a comedian could say about someone I voted for. Why? Because I have better things to do.

I'd have the same feelings no matter WHOSE children the comments were about. Chelsea Clinton(when she was younger), the Obama kids, the Bush twins(at a younger age), etc., because I really don't give a rats rump in the end. What hack late night comedians have to say about the kids of people in the public eye doesn't affect my day to day life one tiny bit. I got up, went to work, paid the taxes, fed the cat, etc. just the same as every other day. The fact that a politician and a late night comedian are at odds over a joke made in poor taste didn't even register on my radar.

Yes, the joke was in poor taste but I still am certain that it was not intended to make light of child rape.

Wow, you need to calm down.

Now I'm off to find something better to do than continue playing with the crazy kids. Nothing like giving an opinion and getting branded a democrat for it. Now THAT is offensive, lol!
Calm down, you say??? Geezzz, I'm not the one going off the deep end here. (See your ranting and raving post!) LOL! BTW, I didn't say YOU -- I said 'you democrats'. Don't take it so personally. Maybe you had better go find something better to do. You do need to calm down!
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David Letterman issued an apology of sorts. If you didn't actually SEE the "apology", you really need to. You can not get the tone by what is written. You tube has all sorts of clips on it. You have to weed thru everyone's take on the situation, but, you can see the "apology"
YouTube - David Letterman's Non-Apology Apology to Sarah Palin—Typical No-Class Leftist
YouTube - Countdown: Did Sarah Palin Overreact To Letterman's Jokes?
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1. Teenagers are going to make mistakes, some are going to have sex, some are going to get pregnant whether or not their parents buy their birth control for them or teach abstinence. It doesn't matter if the parents are Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Communists, Jews, Christians, etc.... It just is the way it is.
2. Lettermans joke was in poor taste, at best. Yes, Arod and some men are nasty, but I think most people still look at the "woman" in these types of jokes. Whoever wrote the joke knew that Palin was in town and at the game with her daughter. Seems to me the joke writer has some blame to take for this.
3. Bristols pregnancy really has nothing to do with her Christian upbringing or her parents teaching her abstinence, etc... To rip her apart now because she is trying to talk to her peers about abstinence is immature and mean-spirited. Who better to preach the effects of unprotected teen sex than a teen mother?
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Oh, my - where to begin...

Where in the world did you get the statistics that you're throwing out? Has it occurred to you that they are completely misleading??

While you claim Republicans had "higher divorce rates" - did your source give statistics regarding which (Republicans or Democrats) choose to live together rather than marrying?

Regarding the Repubican "higher out-of-wedlock births," we're speaking of Republicans that did carry their babies to term, then, correct? Were there any statistics for plain ol' "pregnancies out of wedlock?" Probably too much to ask...or perhaps the statistics might not help your argument?

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Holy God, it's 1978. I'm in a time capsule.

In 1978, I'm a young Catholic, attending CCD classes. My priest is Father Miller. He is teaching us young Catholic students about sex education.

He actually can't say the word "sex." He bites back on the word every time it comes up. It sounds like "sec." So, I had "sec education."

So it's 1978, and Father Miller is ranting about sec. We students are 16, 17, 18 years old. We are pretty hardened cases at this point. We've already had years of hearing about how we aren't confessing to masturbation. But Father Miller is really incensed this night. He tells us that statistics show that more Catholic girls are having out of wedlock babies than are Protestant girls. He says that he doesn't know whether this means that Catholic girls are less chaste then Lutherans (which were the only Protestants around in my home town), or whether it was merely a function that those Lutheran girls were more likely to be using birth control.

He tells us, though, that Catholic girls are sinning. And the boys are no better. They are telling the girls that it would only be once, and then it is twice, and then it is a third time, and then eventually, it is all the time.

This seemed like a bizarre argument at the time. The argument doesn't seem any less odd 30 years later.

So, if you say that the two parties have differences that go beyond plain statistics, where is your proof? Do you have something that says that Republicans have different marital rates or different birth control use or different rates of carrying pregnancies to term than do Democrats which might explain the statistics mentioned?

Because if you are going to attack someone's statistics, you might want to have some to back up your own points, and some explanation as to why.

Otherwise, I feel like I'm back in 1978. And Father Miller is telling me that he isn't hearing enough of us confess to masturbation. And wanting to know whether Catholics were getting pregnant more because they were having more sex or whether it was because we were having the same amount of sex but with fewer protections against pregnancy.

Surely, we've advanced beyond that.

Letterman's joke was dumb. I thought it referred to Bristol, and until the Republicans came out beating the drums, didn't even imagine that anyone would possibly consider that it referred to the younger Willow.

And seriously, you really, in your hearts, don't think it did, do you.

It would be a horrible thing, wouldn't it, if an entertainer held up to ridicule a young girl. Like, let's imagine if someone, in 1993, mentioned to his TV audience that the Clintons had a cat, and displayed a photo of the well-known White House cat, "Socks."

And then he went on, "But did you know they also have a White House dog?", at which point what came up on the screen was a picture of thirteen-year-old Chelsea Clinton.

And that, my friends, was the joke made by the person who according to polls last week is identified as being the face of the Republican party: Rush Limbaugh.

Letterman's joke = stupid and tasteless, but not aimed at an adolescent if you believe Letterman, which I do. Limbaugh's joke = mean and nasty, and explicitly referred to and demeaned an adolescent.

Neither joke was a good thing. But only one was very explicitly designed to demean a young girl. And it wasn't Letterman's.
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Maybe Letterman should sweep his own door step. His 'longtime girl friend" got pregnant and it took him over 5 yrs to marry her!


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Maybe Letterman should sweep his own door step. His 'longtime girl friend" got pregnant and it took him over 5 yrs to marry her!
Because a 50 year old man who's been supporting himself for decades and in a committed relationship is exactly like a 17 year old unwed mother who's in a broken relationship?

It's ridiculous to compare Letterman's parental situation with Bristol's. Letterman is fully capable of supporting a child and was with the child's mother for a longer time than Bristol was ever with Levi. Bristol is dependent on her parents for that child's support -- except of course for what she gets for the pimping abstinence, which clearly worked so well for her that she wants all other teens to do the same. Images of happy Bristol on the cover of people with the child, or chatting with Matt Lauer on the Today show don't exactly paint a picture of a typical struggling teenage mom.
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It's hard to believe that anyone could state that he meant the joke to be about Willow when everyone knows that Bristol is the slut.
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It's hard to believe that anyone could state that he meant the joke to be about Willow when everyone knows that Bristol is the slut.
I don't agree with calling Bristol a slut. As far as anyone knows, she slept only with Levi. I do agree that anyone with any sense would know that a knocked-up joke was clearly intended to be about the knocked-up daughter -- whose knocked-up condition was broadcast to the world by her own mother.

I also believe that Bristol, through her own and her mother's actions, has made herself a public figure. The Obama girls have not. Moreover, Bristol is an adult. The Obama girls, and Chelsea Clinton at the time of the Limbaugh/McCain cracks, was not. Finally, getting knocked-up is your own damn fault. Being a less than attractive 13 year old is not.

And I do agree with Letterman that Sarah Palin does dress like a slutty flight attendant, although I have reservations about bringing flight attendants into it. Serious people running for the second highest office in the land generally would not be wearing red peep-toe pumps, leather outfits, and red toes with sparkles on them. It's cute, but it doesn't create the feeling that the person sporting those items is remotely a serious person.
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It's hard to believe that anyone could state that he meant the joke to be about Willow when everyone knows that Bristol is the slut.
You should make your own little list. Goodness, I mean your own large list, because by your narrow minded thought process, anyone who has sex is a slut.

Start with the baby's father, I think his name was Levi. Conveniently skip over the fact that they were in a relationship, there are no reports that either slept around, and yet you keep calling her a slut.

Take the names out of the equation. Boy & girl in a relationship, neither sleeping around - how does that make the girl a slut?

What a nasty statement.

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Old 06-14-2009, 09:29 AM
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Here's what I don't get - the same posters who complain about people not taking "personal responsibility" are the same ones that defend Palin's daughter for having a baby outside of marriage.

Are Bristol and her boyfriend covering all the expenses for that baby? Is she living on her own? If her parent's weren't supporting her, she would be using taxpayer money in the form of WIC, food stamps, and so on. Then, the same people who are defending Bristol would be blasting her for "being on the dole."

Why the hypocrisy?
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........when everyone knows that Bristol is the slut.

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Old 06-14-2009, 10:22 AM
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It's hard to believe that anyone could state that he meant the joke to be about Willow when everyone knows that Bristol is the slut.

I too, disagree with you here. She is not a slut. Ignorant maybe. Misguided certainly. A product of her parents surely, but not a slut.

I think we need to reserve the term "slut" for politicians and corporate honchos who sell their souls to the highest bidder.
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