or so it says on Google News. What a mess. It seems so sudden but who knows. Those poor kids. What a shame to bring all those kids into this world and then split up.

I really don't think that was their plan. Gosh.

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I heard something this morning that Kate was in trouble with a non-spanking group because she spanked one of her kids. You know when you're listening to something but not really listening? Well, I heard that part but not the rest.

I only heard there was a big announcement, nothing about divorce although, of course, that wouldn't surprise anyone at this point.

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Yep, but maybe since they DO have all those kids they should work harder to stay together as a family. I hope they have had counseling, etc... if they really are divorcing.

If someone choses to spank their child and not beat their child and does it correctly then its nobody business. I dont spank my child but just as i except other people to respect my decision i think other people need to respect those who do spank decision. As long as i said above they do it correctly and not to beat or belittle.

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I had thought the announcement might be a divorce. I had kind of hoped that the announcement would be they were going to stop filming the show and try to work things out and get back to a normal life.

I cant say as I blame Jon if he leaves, This woman is horrible. There was a book signing near our town and her and the body guard was there. She was rude to anyone who asked where Jon was or the kids. She complained the whole time she was there. The folks that works at the store said she was the most horrible guest author they ever had. SHe demanded everything from a certain type of water then where she was sitting wasnt suitable. The list goes on. I feel sorry for those kids. And Maddy is getting just like her.
And while I got it on my mine, did I hear she took one child on a vacation without the rest, just her and the child and the body guard ( of course) ? Wonder how that made the kids who wasnt chosen to go feel?

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I dont know how he stood being married to her that long. I wonder if she has always been this hateful or just over the years has gotten worse. I use to watch the show a long time ago but her mouth is what turned me off.

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I hope that no mater what happens with Kate and Jon, that the children can lead a somewhat more normal life, out of the media.

The anti-spanking thing is redic. A swat on the behind is no big deal. No, I don't advocate it on a regular basis, but no matter what is going on the woman has 8 kids to deal with.

Are you all gonna tell me that you have NEVER lost your cool with one of your kids EVER??

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Is anyone really surprised by this??

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I just wonder if this isn't a big publicity stunt to increase ratings on the show

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God I hope not.. do you really think they need any more publicity??

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That's what I am thinking. It always says that ratings were huge when they went on to talk about whatever it is they talked about (I don't watch) but ratings dropped by like 50% since so I think they need the bigger boost..

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I think this could quite possibly be hype to up the ratings. I'm sure all sorts of rumors will fly until the show on Monday night.
My first thought was I could only hope that Kate was ready to ditch the show and go to work saving her marriage.

I think they'll announce they're separating...not divorcing (yet!)

Yes, that would be a good idea - but we don't know what they have tried or not tried. I haven't walked a mile in their shoes, and my house has some glass, so I'm hesitant to lob a stone.

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It really is a sad scenario. As a couple, they are a good fit.........she is the controlling one and he is the abiding one. It works for them, but because they are under the microscope, it may have been brought to John's attention that she is difficult and controlling. So, he got another perspective and with the stresses of their new career of constantly being on camera, things really started to crumble.

I think it became too much of a job, and "oh my gosh, look at all this money we're making", and not a true show about them. Unfortunately, because of the money and fame, when will it end? And all the perks and wonderful things that go along with lots of money, I don't see an end anytime soon. I actually think that Kate would continue the show without John. Of course, it would be "I'm raising 8 kids all by myself, I have to work".

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You know, that would be a very calculating move, and more viewers would tune in to see how things are working out. Either the producer's call, or maybe Kate's call.

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Jon and 8 - Kate.

I can actually see this happening. Kate just doesn't handle the stress very well. If there had to be one parent raising their children I can see Jon being a better parent.

They need at this time of their lives to stop with the show and focus on their personal lives and more important get those innocent children out of the spotlight and worry less about fame and fortune and more about their children. Peace. Catherine

I hope that this is what they will say on Monday.

Very nicely said Catherine.

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All their money is going to be sucked up by their publicity reps, entertainment lawyers, divorce lawyers, the kid's legal representation, and the cost to set up and maintain two households that will be competing hard with each other for the children's favor.

I am always suspicious of the relationships of people who renew their wedding vows- I have seen it before and there are usually tons of problems and issues present.

Yes, I am going to tell you that I have never lost my cool with my daughter to the point where I hit her.

And definately not because she was OUTSIDE playing and blowing a whistle while I was on my cell (again) and I was too lazy to get off my cell phone and take the whistle from her or just get my a$$ off my plastic chair and walk to another part of my 40 acre property and allow my daughter to play.

I have also never hit her with a plastic kitchen spoon as it alledged by a former staffer. And did you see her screaming at those poor baby boys when she found a knob or something?

I have also never had my daughter practically beg me for water, get a bottle of water, open it, drink some, put the lid back on and set it where she couldn't reach it. Causing my daughter to say, "You're mean, you drank it right in front of me."

She even hit Emeril twice with a spoon, and he did not look happy about it.

And for the record, I have also never yelled or screamed at her. I find whispering to be much more effective when I want to get her attention.

I cannot stand that woman, she is ill and needs help. I hope Jon gets those kids.

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Tessa I totally agree with all you said and I also totally agree with all you said about how you have raised your daughter I have done so with my own 3 children. Peace. Catherine

Well then, you two should join the Perfect Mother Club.

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The Perfect Mother Club - they're an elite group from what I understand. I tried to fill out the entry form, but didn't even make it past the first section. Disqualified for my many shortcomings.

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I don't have to worry about membership in the perfect mother club. When he was only 3, my son told me in a crowded grocery store that I was the meanest mom in the whole world.

Always guaranteed a good laugh around here!!

If not hitting my child makes me a perfect mother then I guess I am!!!!

If not screaming at my child so she is too scared to speak makes me a perfect mother, SCORE!

Who knew it was so easy?

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I missed it too. lol

Wondering how old the child of the "I never hit or scream at my child" mom is, just curious. And, do you only have one child?

It kinda sounds like you are putting everyone else down if they dont raise thier kids your way, "Raising my baby right" Maybe I misinterpreted, so please do explain.

Im just sayin' reading your last post makes you sound as obnoxious as Kate.
The one you hate. Although I am sure you are a nice person.

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Ahhh, my children are now 24, 21, and 15. I never hit(spanked) them, ever. I did raise my voice at times, BUT.....I have made MANY other mistakes. Just because you never spank or raise your voice does not mean you "raised your baby right".

My kids all turned out really well, but it is not because I did such a perfect job. We all mess up.

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CRAP!! I'm out too!! My DD told me just last night she didn't like me. Why? Because I didn't give her the right card in Rummy


Hey, we should all start our OWN club..... The ImPerfect Mommy's Club.

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With all due respect, there is a world of difference when you are dealing with one child, as you are, and when you are dealing with eight, as Kate and Jon are. I think I remember your little one is about 2?? Kudos to you for not yelling at your DD or spanking her. Just because another parent does, does not make them bad. I think everyone loses their cool, and they deal with it in different ways. I don't advocate taking out your frustrations on your child, but, we're all human. We don't know if Kate later apologized for her actions to her DD, do we??? There is so much "chop" with these shows you can't really tell WHAT happened, IMO.

On a sort of similar note..... when DS was younger, we were on a soccer team where the coach has one child who was about 8 or 9 I think??? Oh, it would burn him up when parents would show up a few mins. late for practice. Mind you, he was the ONLY one on the team with one child, and he and his wife could NOT understand what was SO DIFFICULT about getting to the practices on time........ HA, until they had more children. Having more than one changes EVERYTHING!!!

Just saying......

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the raising the baby "right" had to do with political rightness, not right as in correct (vs. incorrect).....wow, I confused even me.

Besides the differences between having one and more than one child that have been mentioned, in my experience there is a quite a bit of difference between infants and toddlers and older children.....in terms of knowing right from wrong and their deliberance and/or motivations for misbehavior. It is quite easy to NOT yell at a toddler because for the most part, they don't know any better....

Toonces....so what was your point? I think many of us must have missed it....

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Hey Jo - I'm not sure about other vacations, but I can tell you this: Two weeks ago, the entire family and their "body guards" were on Bald Head Island. Since you vacation occasionally on OI, I know you know where this is. The house they stayed in was $12,000 a week, and they stayed the whole week. Kate was recorded screaming at one of her children at the pool (I won't repeat what she said here). She also took the whole clan to the little ice cream shop where they were waited on hand and foot. She was "rude and demanding" (ice cream girl's exact response) the whole time, and did not leave ONE RED CENT for a tip.

I don't watch the show, but I am NOT impressed.

While I stand firm and agree with Tessa about never putting my hands on my children never ever hitting them either me nor my husband. We are so far from being the perfect parents. Of course along the way we have made mistakes its normal. When they were younger I did speak to them in a softer voice. Of course as they got older and started to voice their own views on certain subjects things changed. For me personally my son Thomas has always been the easy one, Hope when she turned 16 she wanted to hang out later of course now she is 23 and I have seen Cailtin 17 wanting to do things and have much more freedom, I am liberal with alot of things, however drugs and drinking are the top of my list and they all know that. But as always I pray that the closeness we have and the love we have in our family and all the talking we get through the hard times. But again also the Jon and Kate plus 8 should stop asap and they should focus more on their problems and get out of the limelight and fame and fortune and totally concentrate on their children which should be number in both their lives.. Peace. Catherine

Yea I heard they were at bald head island for a week for FREE and she was rude to everyone she came in contact with from what a friend told me.Someone said that maddy was just as rude.I have decided the reason she needs her trusted body guard is to keep the public from beating her to a pulp! She must be the most hated woman in the world. lol

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My point was, nobody's perfect.

You can TELL me all you want, that you've never lost your cool with your kid. I don't believe it. If your child is 2 years old, you've got a long way to go.....trust me.

I don't advocate spanking. But a swat on the behind never hurt anybody and it certainly gets their attention, and I do mean a SWAT...not a spanking.


Like AIA said, dealing with ONE kid is certainly different than dealing with several to 8!??

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Just wondering why it's so hard to say: "Wow - you never scream at your kid, and you never hit them. That's awesome."

Tessa67, I say that to you. I know that you weren't implying that you're perfect. But if you can say that you never did the aforementioned screaming and hitting, you deserve credit, not bashing.

I think Tessa67 thinks Kate sucks as a parent. Who doesn't on our boards...isn't that unanimous? I don't see the need for people to get defensive, or threatened by Tessa67's post. If everyone is doing their own personal best to raise their kids right, then no need to bash/pull the "Oh-so-you-think-you're-perfect Card," etc.

We all agree that Kate, as a mother, seems void of any/all maternal instincts.

Tessa67, good for you. You should be proud. The rest of us? I hope we're all good with where we stand individually. I know that I am. Let's quit with the defensive stuff. No need to bash anyone (besides Kate, IMHO...)

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I don't know enough about Kate to say that she sucks as a parent (I don't watch the show), so I guess it's unanimous minus one.

Personally, I can be very demanding and I also lose my cool sometimes, but I don't think that I suck a a parent at all, so I'll reserve judgment on her.

On the other hand, I'm glad that others have different parenting styles and are able to raise their children right without ever losing their cool. Hats off to them!

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different children require different parenting styles. I don't think all children need to be spanked, however, I do think that some children do require a firm swat on the bottom on ocassion. Some children do not respond well to calm, cool and collected rational tone of voice--sometimes you have to raise your voice to get a child's attention.
That said: please keep in mind that Jon and Kate were at one time "ordinary" parents who were not being scrutinized and 'watched'. And what the public sees now may or may not be an accurate reflection of Jon and Kate. I don't know them, thus I don't know if either of them are "bad" parents.

And FWIW; just because a parent hasn't lost their cool w/ a very young child is not necessarily indicative of what the future may hold. Count your blessings that you have been able to maintain your cool, or that your child hasn't pushed your upper-most limits of patience! Or that you have great support network which enables you to have "down time" or that provides 'help'....really, never say never! It will most likely come back to bite you in the arse.

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To me, it doesn't matter who Jon and Kate were *before* they deliberately placed themselves in the situation of being paid to be scrutinized and watched. Now that they've put themselves front and center via their "reality show," people who care to actually do get a pretty pitiful glimpse into who they are *now.* It ain't pretty. And their children, unfortunately, now have to deal with the present, which sucks for them.


I've probably only watched a combined total of 30 minutes of their shows, and have now read more than I ever wanted to about a very selfish greedy set of parents. There may be people out there who think Kate's a decent parent, but I have never seen one post on these boards depicting her that way.

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I'm sure you're not meaning to paint with such a broad brush in your post. I did give kudos to Tessa67 : "Kudos to you for not yelling at your DD or spanking her." I also stand by my statement about the differences in having one child to parent and having several.

I'm not in the "unanimous" bowl as far as Kate's parenting skills. I don't watch the show, but, have caught a few snippets here and there. I'm not perfect so I'm certainly not going to say she is awful or sucks.

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Oh my goodness!! If you had shown me that picture and asked who it was, I would have no clue. The pregnant woman in those pictures looks nothing like today's Kate.

She's had quite the makeover.

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Just watched the show tonight. For once, I thought Kate shined, and Jon looked like a selfish fool. He projected himself as really not caring and actually said that he was only 32 yrs old and was excited about this new chapter in his life. What? It also appeared that he had pierced both of his ears.

I would have predicted that Kate kicked him out of the house after the alleged affair, but she actually wanted to talk to him, and he didn't want any part of it. Very immature and not how a real man would act, especially with the responsibilities that he has.

Closing credits, it said that they filed for divorce today.

Sad.

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Personally I don't think Kate sucks as a parent. Don't lump me in a group saying we all on the board thinks she sucks. I see a mother doing her best and until I walk in HER shoes I would not criticize her. It amazes me how many think Jon's perfectly justified in hos affair because he's not man enough to speak up if he's not happy. I think he's a big wuss that I personally would've kicked to the curb along time ago.

Hopefully she will become a stronger person through all this.

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Thank you devinmom. Not sure why stating that I have never hit or screamed at my child would make people so defensive. I just answered a question, not sure why Mommies always want to beat each other down.

I am a proponent of Gentle Discipline and it is working wonderfully. It is difficult and takes energy and creativity, but I love it.

My favorite definition (borrowered from HappyHSer at mothering.com)

Gentle discipline is an approach to parenting in which love, trust, and security are the foundation on which discipline decisions are made and executed. Gentle discipline includes methods that are proactive, respectful and designed to assist the child in learning how to function and interact. Gentle discipline includes many specific tools but does not endorse physical punishment, arbitrary consequences or methods designed to make a child feel bad.

And Right is a political designation, geez.

You can TELL me all you want, that you've never lost your cool with your kid. I don't believe it. If your child is 2 years old, you've got a long way to go.....trust me

I don't care if you believe me or not. I never said I was perfect, I said I don't hit or scream at my daughter. Why are you getting so nasty about that? Why is that so hard for you to believe? Why does that bother you so much?
And as far as my daughter being two and me having a long way to go, sounds like you would have been one of those people who were telling me, "Wait until she is two."


Have I gotten frustrated with her, of course. But I don't take it out on her. My frustration is my problem. It is usually due to a failure on my part, ie: poor planning, not leaving enough time or not respecting her biological schedule. I remember that she is her own little person, her own personality, feelings and brain and I respect her. I am the grown up and I proactively modify MY behavior to keep my frustration to a minimum or eliminate it.

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Allinaugust, I wasn't considering your post at all when I was "painting." Sorry it appeared that I was.

MHO was more in response to those who thought tessaa67 was implying that she was perfect when she merely pointed out a few of Kate's lesser "mommy behaviors" in comparison to her own.

I really am impressed with anyone who can make the claims that Tessa67 did. And I saw that you gave her kudos.

I do feel for people who get so defensive and rush to suggest that a parent is equating themselves w/perfection for being able to make the claims tessa made. But your post didn't do that.

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I know, right? He said he was excited??? He and his wife are divorcing, he said he won't be living there or seeing his kids everyday, and he acts like he's being let out of prison!! You are so right, Crittles, NOT how a real man would act.

Oh, I don't think Jon's "perfectly justified" in anything. IMHO, they're both miserable parents. But the topic of late has been Kate and her mothering.

I tried to see her from your point of view - where you see 'a mother doing her best.' It just doesn't ring true at all with me. I think it's refreshing that someone sees something good in her: You do!

If only so many were as passionate in our defense of the moms on this very board, ya know?

I'm with you on this one statement...hoping she becomes a stronger person through all this. But I'd add that I hope she starts putting her children ahead of her greed and personal gain - like a 'mother doing her best' would.

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I noticed that too. He's an idiot. I'm thinking he can't wait to be single again and doing whatever he wants. He did say this was an exciting time.

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