I read an article today that stated Sen. O'bama will not (did not??? I think I have seen it before) wear a US flag pin on his lapel, and did not put his hand over his heart for the National Anthem. They also made mention of the lovely comment by his wife about "finally feeling proud to be an American", and I know where that came from , but, does anyone know what the other situations are in regard to ???

I am guessing they are well known,since the author did not refer to the time frame of the incident, just the act itself.

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I tried to post earlier..so if this shows up as a double post, I am sorry.

Here is Obama's explanations
Once again, I am just pulling a few quotes from the link below.

Obama fights back on questions about his patriotism - CNN.com

"The reporter cited the fact that Obama once failed to put his hand over his heart while singing the national anthem.
Obama replied that his choice not to put his hand on his heart is a behavior that "would disqualify about three-quarters of the people who have ever gone to a football game or baseball game."

"He and his wife, Michelle, had already explained her comments. "She simply misspoke," he said. "What she was referring to was [that] this was the first time she has been proud of politics in America."

About not wearing an American flag lapel pin, Obama said Republicans have no lock on patriotism.
"A party that presided over a war in which our troops did not get the body armor they needed, or were sending troops over who were untrained because of poor planning, or are not fulfilling the veterans' benefits that these troops need when they come home, or are undermining our Constitution with warrantless wiretaps that are unnecessary?
"That is a debate I am very happy to have. We'll see what the American people think is the true definition of patriotism."

WOW!! Thanks for that link and quotes. What a stupid thing to say about not putting your hand over your heart......shows his lack of military service, QUITE clearly, which, as I have said before, goes to Patriotism. And, furthermore, even "if" that were true about 2/3rs of the people at a ball game, um, I don't think THEY are running for President of the United States.

Ok, the more I hear about him, the less I like him.

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His feelings about flag lapel pins as stated in the following article are similar to mine. To quote Ron Paul who was quoting someone else: "When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible".

ABC News: Barack Obama Drops U.S. Flag Pin

From the ABC article: "..... Most of the candidates do not wear them. The one big exception: former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who is rarely without one. .... "

The snopes article is self explanatory. There are pictures of him with his hand on his heart during the National Anthem but they don't prove the point trying to be made by those who consider him "scary".

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Barack Obama and the National Anthem

What exactly does putting your hand over your heart or not during the playing of the National Anthem have to do with military service.

BTW, the Senator's name is spelled Obama, not O'bama.

Anyone who has served in the military would know the proper thing to do during the playing of The National Anthem.

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The Snopes article said he did not have hand over heart. Also, meant to add in the other, if he is elected as our next President, he will be the Commander In Chief for the Armed Forces. WHAT kind of example would he be setting by this action????

I don't find him "scary" just not qualified to be our President.

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The snopes article also says there are other pictures of him with his hand over his heart. Such a silly argument.

What kind of an example is the current CIC setting? He "served" in the military, wears a lapel pin and has his hand over his heart during the National Anthem and all the while he's p'ing on our military and the Constitution. If those are the qualities we value in our CIC then God help us all.

so if I once or twice don't put a hand over my heart during the anthem, I'm unpatriotic? And if I don't wear a flag pin, then again, I'm unpatriotic? WOW. I had no idea there were such strict rules and regulations for being an American. Are there other rules I don't know about? Am I supposed to bow and kiss the hem of King B'ush when he's near? Should I yell "Screw the Muslims" as loud as possible when I'm near a military base to show support for our troops? Wait, I know. Am I supposed to jump and kick my heels twice when yet another of our citizens criticizes someone else for something they themselves don't do?

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Well, I think the point is these are SIMPLE ways we show how we feel about our country and it's ppl and traditions. It has nothing to do with any other country. Just us and who we are, or who we hope to be as a united ppl. Small, simple things that mean nothing in some sense, but a great deal in another. Why NOT do them? It means something to so many, not to mention our military men and women, why NOT!!??

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If you don't serve in the military, you're not a patriot?

Wow, that's some seriously unique thinking.

We can always count on you for a smart ass reply, thanks for not letting us down

I don't think anyone here would argue the fact that it is quite a sacrafice our military members and their families make for our country and the citizens of it. I think that's very patriotic. If you don't serve in the military, can you still be patriotic??? Sure, but, there's more to it than just hanging the US flag in your yard or wether or not you have your hand over your heart and wear a flag lapel pin. I think the President of the United States of all people should be the most patriotic of all. If they aren't proud of this country or aren't willing to show respect for it, why are you even running????

I guess it really depends on how you view things. We went to the WWII memorial in DC shortly after it opened. There is a beautiful "lake" in the middle (not really a lake, but, more like a shallow pool of water). While we were there taking it all in, I noticed several people, adults and children playing in the water. Appropriate??? Depends on how you view it. IMO, no, it wasn't appropriate.....this was not the beach, but, a memorial. Some people just don't get it, I guess.

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The President of the United States is held to different standards, tho. I think that is the point that I am not conveying.

Would it bother you if the President didn't place a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier??? Or, didn't show up at a national catastrophe/tragedy???

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Well, B'ush didn't show up in New Orleans right away. I didn't expect him to though. And although it's a great and wonderful tradition, I feel absolutely nothing when I watch the man responsible for 4000+ American lives lost in Iraq place a wreath at the tomb. Maybe if I thought he actually gave a damn...

The good thing is that it sounds to me like you're already equating Obama to being the president. Yea Alli!

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ANYONE who wants to be President SHOULD be held to a higher standard--period, end of story!

And quite frankly--the more Barack Obama talks, the more I realize --he's not ready to be President.

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Well, aren't you just the pot today?

Isn't that what was said? I was rephrasing it to make sure that's really what someone actually thought, because, frankly, I couldn't quite believe it.

You would think, but you say that in one line and then dispute it in the next.

There is suppose to be another Democratic debate Wed. April 16 at 8 pm ET (ABC).
This might be interesting because they have been going after each other so hard the last couple of weeks.

April 16 Democratic Debate Hosted by ABC News, National Constitution Center and WPVI-TV

NO, you asked if not serving in the military was not patriotic.

"If you don't serve in the military, you're not a patriot? " is your quote from your above post. I was stating that does not mean you are not patriotic. Had Obama served in the military, perhaps showing some form of respect for our National Anthem would not be so difficult or foreign for him to do. I think when a person (family included) serves their country through military service, they are usually more in tune with these things. AGAIN, anyone running for President SHOULD, in my opinion, be one of the most patriotic of all.

Clearly I am not getting my point across, so rather than beat a dead horse, I'll just suffice it to say that I do not think Barrack Obama is a qualified canditate for President.

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Not true. You said: "What a stupid thing to say about not putting your hand over your heart......shows his lack of military service, QUITE clearly, which, as I have said before, goes to Patriotism."

"Lack of military service, quite clearly . . . goes to Patriotism." Your words. What did you mean if not that a failure to serve in the military means you're not patriotic. What are you saying with that statement that you made -- you, not me.

Please, I'd really love to know what your statement meant if I've misunderstood it.

We were taught early in grade school to always stand, face the flag, place your hand over your heart and give full attention. It is respect and something that is continued in the military. Military bases stop at sundown each day for a tribute as well. Civilians, not making military sacrifices and living the lives our soldiers live every single day, perhaps are out of the habit.

It is scary that the Commander in Chief would never have served in the military. The current war doesn't affect many, many people in this country. No rationing, no precious metal scrapping, no women filling in for men's jobs like WWII when almost everyone made sacrifices. Life hasn't changed due to the war for many Americans so the least they could do is show respect.

Life has changed for the approximate 4000 families who will never see their active duty person again. Life has changed for those deployed, injured, etc.

Respect is lacking.

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Ok, let me try this again, and I understand it is hard to convey in the typed word. For Senator Obama to try and diflect attention from his lack of knowing WHAT to do during the playing of the National Anthem (you certainly do not stand there with clasped hands in front of yourself) by
replying that his choice not to put his hand on his heart is a behavior that "would disqualify about three-quarters of the people who have ever gone to a football game or baseball game." That is like saying "well, why blame me??? Other people do the same thing" and not address the real issue.

If you don't serve in the military does NOT mean you are not patriotic. MANY people don't serve in the military, yet are very patriotic. Here is the meaning of Patriotic, per Websters.com:
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This pa·tri·ot·ic Audio Help (pā'trē-ŏt'ĭk) Pronunciation Key
adj. Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country.
I think that people who serve our country in the military are very patriotic, and show more respect for things, in certain areas. Serving in the military is a very patriotic thing to do. You learn many traditions and customs about this country that "civilans" usually don't know. Do you (general you) know how to properly fold the flag when presenting it to a loved one of a deceased service member??? Do you (general you) know when and how to raise or lower the flag??? Probably not, but, that does not mean you are not patriotic. These are things that are learned by people that, IMO, SHOULD know these things. Knowing how to stand while the National Anthem is being played is definitely something that someone running for President of the United States should know. This discussion should not even being occurring, quite honestly. I want a president who is patriotic, and IMO, serving in the military is a form of showing patriotism. Whether (sp?) they saw combat or not, they still took the time to do what they needed to do to be a Service Member,and made the sacrifice to serve. His lack of military service, IMO, leaves him at a disadvantage in many areas on how a President should conduct him or herself in different situations.

I think the issue got clouded when I lumped together his lack of knowing what to do during the playing of the National Anthem with his lack of military service, which would have taught him what to do, and the fact that I consider military service to be a patriotic thing to do, which I like to see (patriotism) in my President. Barrack himself mentioned patriotism in his statement.

Now, if it isn't as clear as mud, I don't know what more I can say.

I don't know how else to clarify it, I really don't.

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