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YEA!!! Let's sanction killing more people! woohoo!!!!

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No, let's sanction law abiding citizens the right to have guns. The criminals already do.

Melissa

Not all of us that own guns are going around killing people. Most of us in the country use them for hunting.(which was part of the ruling). Before long with the way the food prices are hunting/fishing looks like the cheap way to feed your family. One reason, I am glad I live in the mountains!
If someone would ever break into my home and go after any of my children, then I would use the guns in self-defense.

Whatever. I'm not going to argue w/ you over it. I will say that I find gun owning abhorrent.

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couple of things: criminals will always be able to get guns, regardless of whatever sanctions are in place.

I have heard that people want to stop mentally ill persons from owning guns. Now, I think that is a wonderful idea! But how in the world will any gun dealer be able to check a person's mental status or mental health?? I mean I pay people's medical bills all day long and have to fight w/ provider to get chart notes because those notes are protected under HIPAA ( actually they aren't since we're talking Workers' Comp, but that's another story).
How is a gun dealer going to be able to access those records or even know where to look??

Anyway.....

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and I'm sorry that you feel that way, but why?

Owning guns doesn't automatically mean you are plotting/planning or wanting to kill another human. Lots of people own guns for hunting for food! Of course, here where I live--you may own a gun to kill a wild animal who is attacking you in your yard

Owning a gun doesn't define a person necessarily---the person's actions w/ the gun defines the person.

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I am happy with the ruling. I am okay with keeping a gun in the home for defense or hunting. To each their own and the stats show the murder rate in DC hasn't gone down substantially with the gun ban. However, it does make it hard for the police to know who the bad guy is when everyone can have a gun, so when a hero gets shot by the cops I won't have sympathy.

My mom almost shot me when I was 18; I came home from college unexpectedly. As an ER nurse, I saw more than my fair share of sorrow after gun "accidents." The parents were always surprised. I had no sympathy for the gun owners at all. I never had a dead kid where the gun owner wasn't a parent of the killer or the killed.

I didn't allow my kids in homes with guns I was aware of. My mom had to get the gun out or I wouldn't let the kids come inside. We didn't allow anything that resembled a real gun in our home. I asked up front if other parents had a gun. The question was asked quickly and the parent didn't have time to think and lie. I don't make a judgement either way, but I didn't want my kids in a home with firearms. From a young age, we showed them real guns and told them to RUN and find an adult. We took them to a shooting range when they were pretty little with a friend who is a cop. He taught gun safety and they handled and shot the guns. I did that in hopes they wouldn't fall prey to curiosity.

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Thank God we have 5 sane Supreme court judges..I think Ted says it best...............

DC Gun Ban Blown Away - HUMAN EVENTS

DC Gun Ban Blown Away
by Ted Nugent

As I swab down one of my hundreds of privately owned, individually possessed firearms again this fine morning, I snicker and shake my head in disbelief that there are four "justices" on the "supreme" court that do not believe Americans have individual rights. Sure, I am somewhat pleased that we now have a SCOTUS confirmation of the self-evident truth and God given individual right to keep and bear arms, but the 5-4 ruling is another painful example, like Guantanamo and the decree against the death penalty for child rapist decisions that indicate a divisive culture war raging on, and four supreme justices frighteningly disconnected from the heart and soul of America.

Certain that God gave each of us the individual gift of life, and so very relieved that our founding fathers were prudent enough to write these self-evident truths down on paper for future reference, everybody I know needs no confirmation whatsoever that self defense, individual self defense is not only a God given right, but a moral imperative in the hearts and souls of good people everywhere.

Just as we wouldn't need confirmation that our choice of religion is indeed an individual right, or that we could possibly need a government permit to express our individual thoughts in speech, good Americans will continue to fight for the return of our sacred 2nd Amendment rights where someday soon we will not need a government issued license to keep and bear arms. After all, from the supreme court of common sense on the not so mean streets of America, everybody I know understands clearly that "keep" means one thing and one thing only: "It's mine and you can't have it". We know without question that "bear" can only mean, "Yes, I have it right here in my hands or within instant grasp", nothing more and nothing less. And dare I explain “shall not be infringed?" I hope not.

That these self-evident truths have been bastardized to the point of "gun free zones" is nothing less than heart breaking in America today. Everybody knows that it is in these anti-American, anti-Constitutional "gun free zones" where innocent people are forced into unarmed helplessness and where the highest body count of innocents are stacked up by evil perpetrators celebrating the condition of helpless sheep to slaughter. Since the insane gun ban, Washington, D.C. has been a violent criminal's dream environment where they are assured no resistance. That is a bizarre, immoral condition and a direct result of the cult of feel good liberals who could care less about dead good people as they wring their hands worrying about the rights of the most evil amongst us. For shame.


I am responsible for my personal defense and the defense of my family. Our Founding Fathers clearly believed this as well. Evidence shows that 9-1-1 is a last-ditch call for a clean up crew to sift through the aftermath of criminal activity. I can’t imagine allowing myself to be unarmed, helpless and reliant upon the heroes of law enforcement, who, though always do the best that they can do, cannot and will not be there when we need them. They represent damage control all too often, when quality control is in the hands of responsible individuals. The same Supreme Court determined long ago that cops have no lawful obligation to protect us from anything. Self defense is our job.

Thank God the Supreme Court got it right by striking down the D.C. gun ban, legalizing personal protection in the nation’s capitol and now across America, thereby guaranteeing our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, rights bestowed to us by God, the supreme authority.

D.C. has been a cesspool of crime for years. This ruling confirms the rights of good people the ability to defend themselves against bad people. Who could possibly find fault with that supreme dose of common sense?

Banning guns hasn't worked to deter crime or make communities safer, in fact just the opposite. All gun bans have ever accomplished is the creation of guaranteed victims. This has been supremely sad, wrong-headed and dangerous. Most of us cannot imagine the thought process by which bureaucrats and courts could force laws on good people rendering us disarmed and helpless, then turn around and send us the bill for their armed security. Obama, what say you?

Various thugs, punks, crack heads and other devils who have victimized innocents at will are on a long overdue notice with this ruling. Good ultimately conquers evil as it should be.

With Independence Day right around the corner, the Supreme Court has affirmed that indeed Americans are independent and have the right to the most basic of rights -- the right to defend themselves against tyranny whatever ugly form it may take. Now the good people of America must fight harder and relentlessly to regain all of our lost Second Amendment rights in each state and city where unarmed helplessness continues, Mayor Daley.

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I don't find Ted Nugent to be the voice of sanity. Heck, why not let everybody have a bazooka?

We have a gun or two for hunting, but the bullets are kept in another state where my husband has a lifetime hunting license. Consequently, I've never worried about the kids getting into them.

My dad kept a gun at his place of business when I was a child, and we simply knew to respect its presence and not open the drawer it was in. Because of the nature of his occupation, we had pharmaceuticals around and had been robbed during the night two or three times. Our whole family was at the business most of the day, and while he knew it was highly unlikely that any drug-crazed weirdo would show up in the middle of the day in our rural area, he knew he needed to be prepared to defend us if it were to happen.

Unlike nightowl, however, I would feel extreme sympathy for any family who had a gun-related accident. There are a number of dangers in any home that could befall a child for which a parent might technically be responsible in the case of an accident... but that's why they're called accidents. I do think if a parent has a gun in a home for protection that it's vital that they tell their children that the gun is the home, and that it is important that the child always identify himself/herself and never sneak in or out of the house at night, lest they be mistaken for a prowler. We had an incident recently with our teenager sneaking out in the night to TP a friend's car. He fessed up the next day on his own, which I appreciated, but was I rather freaked out at the realization that I hadn't explained to him the potential danger in what he did. Needless to say, he got a bit of an earful!

Why do you feel that way?

I feel law-abiding citizens should be able to own guns and be able to protect their family and possessions from thugs (who usually obtain guns illegally). I wonder if you would change your mind if you and your children were confronted by someone breaking into your home in the middle of the night.

My DH has concealed carry. You would be surprised at the number of people walking around with legal concealed weapons on them!

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I could care less if people have guns IN THEIR HOMES. My problem is with the idiots around here who are raising a big stink because guns have been outlawed in parks and such around here. You want a gun fine keep it in your house but to whine & cry you should be able to have it in PUBLIC places is absolutely crazy to me. I go to these public places with my kids and don't need something stupid happening because they feel the need to have their precious gun on them all the time.

I also feel like another poster. My kids are not allowed at ANYONE'S house who have a gun. Family or friends. In fact when I got married my DH got rid of his guns he used for hunting because I don't want them in my house or around my kids EVER. I also don't have sympathy for parents whose kids have gun accidents in the home. That was an unneccessary risk the parent put in the home. And in most cases weren't supervising well enough or keeping the gun locked or put where the kids couldn't get them. Sorry to say the parents should be held completely responsible for the accident.

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You know? I was raised in a house that had several guns (hunting and hand guns), from an early age I knew where the key was to open the locked closet they were in, knew where the ammunition was--knew how to load them even.

But, also at that early age, I was taken out by my dad to hunt and target shoot. I was also taught how to clean and maintain a gun. I was taught it was a weapon and should never be aimed at anything unless you were prepared to kill what you were aiming at. See, the guns had no mystique or mystery. I knew what they were, and what they did. I was never once tempted to handle the guns when I was not suppose to. And I can say with 100% surety that all my friends were the same way. And in all my growing up years I had two friends killed by "accidental" gun fire--one was so high he didn't even know where he was, much less whether the gun he put to his head was loaded. The other was stopped by an officer and had the gun in the gun rack---He went to unload the gun when the officer turned to go back to the patrol car and run his license. It is assumed that the gun went off accidently and killed Chance. But, no one really knows--he was driving on a suspended license and had drugs in the vehicle. It very well could have been intentional.

I said all that to say this---I'd rather my children be taught respect for guns, and how to properly handle the guns, then be taught to be afraid of them and thus creating some sort of mystery and mystique....that's just how I've chosen to handle the situation.

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I hate guns. My Dad is/was a gun owner. He always hunted (when able) and we ate what he shot. He never called it a sport. In our family of 7 it was pure economics. For anyone to say shooting an animal is a sport makes my skin crawl. I would not let my kids play at any house that had a gun. I remember vividly the 2 kids who were shot to death by friends when I was growing up (different incidents). Both families in each case were ripped apart. Both families has kept a gun to protect them in case of intruders. What they needed protection from was the gun. People protect themselves everyday without a gun. I wonder how many times has someone actually used a gun to protect themselves from an intruder in their home. It's something people always say, but how often does it really ever happen.Truth is most people don't keep the bullets and guns seperated or in a locked box. If they are locked how much good would it be to "protect" your home? Ted Nugent? Puhlees! If he is so worried about rights where was his outraged as our constitution has been trampled on and basically thrown out the window? He lives on a 900 acre ranch, exactly what does he know about living in a metro area? His house was robbed last year and being a gun owner didn't make a damn bit of difference
(And there is not one valid reason for any person to own an assault weapon. NONE. )

I agree. I had not heard that story about Nugent being robbed. Funny.

I don't hate guns, but I won't have them in the house. Years ago my brother who has, perhaps 50 or so, guns, gave one to my son for his birthday. It was a little rifle and I said fine, but it stays at your house, not mine.

And those of you who think your kids won't touch the guns are naive. Just because you didn't when you were little, or because you have told them not to, or because they know better, does not change the fact that they might.

Years back, I think it was 20/20, they did a test with young kids whose parents were absolutely positive their kids would not touch a gun. Guess what, they were left alone, told not to go near a box with the gun in it and most of them did, and found the gun and handled it, while the horrified parents watched from a hidden camera.

You just never know what your kids will do and more important you never know what your kids friends will do.

It really comes down to teaching your children respect and responsibility on using guns or anything for matter.
My children are around lots of things most kids are not normally around. We have tractors, backhoe, dump trucks, chain saws, log spitters, lots of power tools, table saw, planners, portable saw mill, 4 wheeler. In reality they could get injured on anything even in a "normal house". We have stressed that anything can kill you.
A child can be injured or killed in anyone's house with just household cleaners, lighters, kitchen knives, bedshetts (hanging), prescriptions. You can not protect them from everything. You have to teach them the right way.

I agree, you do have to teach them, but the point of the show I mentioned was to let you know that no matter what you teach them, that some things will attract them and they will not always do as you have taught them. These were admittedly very young children, but many of them ended up with a gun in their hands. Some even pointed them at the other kids and pulled the trigger, if I remember correctly. Like I said, these parents thought they had taught them to never touch a gun, but touch them they did.

Exactly. The criminals will always find a way to get guns. The law abiding citizens need the right to have guns for self defense against the criminals.

I'm sorry that so many of you must live in such terrifying areas.

And what world do you live in, hon?

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Well I live in the regular world. Hopefully at least a few of you do as well. I live in an area, (St. Louis suburb), that does not see gun action on a regular basis. If it did, then I would move. Fifteen years here and the closest thing to violence with guns was a neighbor who lived five blocks from here went off her meds and pulled a gun on a UPS driver about a mile from here. Middle of summer, hot as hell and she was wandering around with a fur coat on and a gun in a state of paranoid delusion. Police came and killed her. That's it.

Seventeen years in my prior neighborhood and not even that much happened. Five years in Clear Lake TX many many years ago and nothing ever happened. Did have an incident in Fountain valley about 33 years ago with a gunman who robbed a nearby store. Grew up and lived in the city of St. Louis for over 20 years. Never heard a gunshot.

Husband born in Brooklyn and lived there his first five years. Moved to Lake Telemark, New Jersey, then to upstate New York for college, Baltimore, Denver and here and was never anywhere near any violence.

Like I said, I'm sorry if all of you have to live in such violent places. It must be tough. Do you personally live in an area riddled with gunshots? If so where? I don't think I could live like that and I'm sorry that anyone does.

Wildwood, apparently, many people here live within urban crime areas where break-ins and murder are an every day occurence and only a handgun, not a shotgun, can protect them. I bet they have had to use a handgun to protect their home and if not, I am sure they have neighbors and friends who have. Personally, I would move or put in an alarm system. But, to each their own.

Oddly, I live in a pretty big city with a relatively high crime rate, yet I don't experience the terror many here apparently do