What happened to the latest Obama thread?

[jaded]

Did the OP decide she couldn't answer any of the questions?

[IrishBlonde]

It was deleted by the OP.

[nightowlrn]

Someone responded to the fact that some person has already tried to start a rumor about Mr. Obama being gay.

I asked Opal (or whoever this poster was prior to Nov '07) to respond to all the accusations made such as

~ What proof any of those quotes are actual. I figured since they are from a published book, the question wouldn't be too hard.
~ I asked for proof Mr. Obama hates whites
~ I asked for an example of my "unrelenting defense of Arabs"
~ I asked for an example of where I forgot what garbage I posted.
~ I asked for an example of why I should be good at misdirection

ETA - I ended with asking what sort of discussion Opal would like related to misquotes being sent around in a viral racist email.

[jeanief]

Will be surprised to see these questions to specific incorrect statements answered. IF OP went to sites and found out the inaccuracies of what she posted, it was probably realized that she was being shown to be perpetuating falsehoods and had no defense for doing so NOR the decency to apologize for perpetuating lies. Glad you were able to recreate the posts and give her a chance to answer WITHOUT the option for her to delete to avoid her posts.

[dnj51]

nightowlrn - I removed your posts which had the deleted thread contents posted. If the OP had 2nd thoughts and thought it better to remove her post, we have to respect that, and leave the post deleted. No recopying the post.

You are certanly welcome to continue the discussion or start a new thread, but please do not enter the 'transcript' of the deleted one.

Thanks so much!

[truble2301]

Originally Posted by dnj51

nightowlrn - I removed your posts which had the deleted thread contents posted. If the OP had 2nd thoughts and thought it better to remove her post, we have to respect that, and leave the post deleted. No recopying the post.

You are certanly welcome to continue the discussion or start a new thread, but please do not enter the 'transcript' of the deleted one.

Thanks so much!

So wrong. Your option as mod, but that's so wrong, IMO.

Opal showed a complete lack of respect for other posters by removing their posts -- why should she be given the benefit here?

[truble2301]

It's so frustrating that someone can post a pack of lies as Opaldancing did and not only delete her own lies, but other people's posts at the same time. If she doesn't have the ability to back up what she said, she should edit her own posts, not other peoples'. By choosing to delete the entire thread, she edited other peoples' post and now, when she's called upon once again to defend what she said, you're protecting her from her own words?

That's so very wrong.

[dnj51]

The post is not permanently deleted. I sent Greg an email and PM explaining what I did and why I did it. He will review the situation and decide if the post will be reinstated. I'm sure if I jumped the gun, I will get called on the carpet for it.

I understand why you are upset, as is nightowlrn. But if someone deletes their thread it should stay deleted. This did happen in the past, and the reproduced text was deleted. (In The Cafe)

Because of the Holiday, Greg may not get the email or PM till Monday. If the posts are reinstated, then it's my error and it's sincere apologies for everyone.

[allinaugust]

Originally Posted by truble2301

It's so frustrating that someone can post a pack of lies as Opaldancing did and not only delete her own lies, but other people's posts at the same time. If she doesn't have the ability to back up what she said, she should edit her own posts, not other peoples'. By choosing to delete the entire thread, she edited other peoples' post and now, when she's called upon once again to defend what she said, you're protecting her from her own words?

That's so very wrong.

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To me, that means it can be copied. I think the same holds true on any public message boards....what you post can be copied. Cracks me up when people type up whole ads or whatever and tell others NOT to copy it to another board. Um, it's a PUBLIC message board....WTH????

Personally, I didn't read what Opal posted, and don't really care, but, can MC at least abide by their own rules???? For once!!!

[dnj51]

That is totally uncalled for! The content of the post has nothing to do with why your post was removed. And to even IMPLY I did it to protect a racists is insulting.

[nightowlrn]

Originally Posted by dnj51

That is totally uncalled for! The content of the post has nothing to do with why your post was removed. And to even IMPLY I did it to protect a racists is insulting.

Well, this isn't copied then .. google cache is our friend

Scary Quotes From Barrack Obama - MyCoupons.com Shopping Boards

[dnj51]

Originally Posted by allinaugust

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To me, that means it can be copied. I think the same holds true on any public message boards....what you post can be copied. Cracks me up when people type up whole ads or whatever and tell others NOT to copy it to another board. Um, it's a PUBLIC message board....WTH????

Personally, I didn't read what Opal posted, and don't really care, but, can MC at least abide by their own rules???? For once!!!

...again, in the past, copied text of a deleted post was taken off. It's a moot point now, isn't it.

[nightowlrn]

Originally Posted by dnj51

...again, in the past, copied text of a deleted post was taken off. It's a moot point now, isn't it.

We quote deleted posts all the time. There is no difference between quoting a statement that has been deleted in a thread and quoting a statement by the original thread starter. Using this theory, if I start a thread and anyone quotes me within the thread and I delete a portion of what I wrote, your rules would insist that you also delete any reference to what I wrote and then deleted because I am the "thread starter."

Quite honestly, this is why I and I am sure many here quote written text - because people tend to write crap and then delete it.

Silly ...

[dnj51]

Oh my gosh...I get it! I have been soundly chastised.

[truble2301]

Originally Posted by dnj51

...again, in the past, copied text of a deleted post was taken off. It's a moot point now, isn't it.

It's not moot. Why was it ok for Opal to post racist crap but not ok for people to call her on it? Why were her rantings ok until she deleted them, but putting them back up to display her racist foolishness isn't?

I understand being a mod is a hard, thankless, generally crappy job. But in the interest of fairness, why wasn't the re-post of opal's rant left? If it was ok to post in the first place, why wasn't it ok to re-post it? I don't get that at all.

[Ambrianna]

Originally Posted by truble2301

It's not moot. Why was it ok for Opal to post racist crap but not ok for people to call her on it? Why were her rantings ok until she deleted them, but putting them back up to display her racist foolishness isn't?

I understand being a mod is a hard, thankless, generally crappy job. But in the interest of fairness, why wasn't the re-post of opal's rant left? If it was ok to post in the first place, why wasn't it ok to re-post it? I don't get that at all.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what dnj had in mind, but I thought of it this way:

When someone posts something, they own that something. It's their words, their opinion. If it's racist, or hateful, or idiotic, or, or or...etc....it's still their own.

It becomes a different ball game when someone ELSE takes those same words an opinions and uses them to call a person out, or pushing - verbally - until the accepted answers are given. In effect, trying to further embarrass or ridicule the original party. That could be construed as harrassment.

I understand why answers were wanted to all those questions. But I'm wondering - couldn't have those questions been posted in a new thread? Just the way they were, instead of the whole thread?

I'm not sure if it's a good idea on any board to have people reposting what others deleted. That would mean no one could delete anything without someone else throwing it up there again.

Bleh...it's a fine line, I guess. That was my thought on why dnj did what she did and I'm not going to be surprised if I'm off base.

[dnj51]

In moot - I meant, a link to the post is now on a couple different threads so everyone can see it anyway.

A little history - before I became a mod (about 2 years ago) I was in a discussion in the Cafe (don't think it was called that then) - one day, poof, the thread was gone. The OP had deleted it. The post was copied in another thread, in it's entirety, similar to the one here. That thread was taken off. The Mod explained that because OP started the thread, it was hers/his to take off if they wanted to, and could not be recopied somewhere else out of respect for the OP. Pretty much that was the explanation. (I'm not saying the OP should be respected it...let's not go there) I'm just explaining it the way it was explained to us.

Since then Greg has become president things have changed. So he very well may say I was wrong.

I don't know any better way to explain why I took off the post.

[truble2301]

Originally Posted by Ambrianna

It becomes a different ball game when someone ELSE takes those same words an opinions and uses them to call a person out, or pushing - verbally - until the accepted answers are given. In effect, trying to further embarrass or ridicule the original party. That could be construed as harrassment.

But that's not what happened.

Are you saying that if I were to post something incredibly racist and hateful, I should expect people to just ignore it or smother me with kisses?

[Ambrianna]

Originally Posted by dnj51

In moot - I meant, a link to the post is now on a couple different threads so everyone can see it anyway.

A little history - before I became a mod (about 2 years ago) I was in a discussion in the Cafe (don't think it was called that then) - one day, poof, the thread was gone. The OP had deleted it. The post was copied in another thread, in it's entirety, similar to the one here. That thread was taken off. The Mod explained that because OP started the thread, it was hers/his to take off if they wanted to, and could not be recopied somewhere else out of respect for the OP. Pretty much that was the explanation. (I'm not saying the OP should be respected it...let's not go there) I'm just explaining it the way it was explained to us.

Since then Greg has become president things have changed. So he very well may say I was wrong.

I don't know any better way to explain why I took off the post.

Well? I wasn't too far off base.

[Ambrianna]

Originally Posted by truble2301

But that's not what happened.

Are you saying that if I were to post something incredibly racist and hateful, I should expect people to just ignore it or smother me with kisses?

Smother you with kisses? Only if they wanted to, I guess. Do I think you should have the option to delete a thread or a post without someone else reposting? Yes, Ma'am, I do.

Let me answer the question with a question - should no one ever be allowed to delete their own threads for any reason?

Like I said before, why couldn't the questions themselves be re-posted? Why was it necessary for the whole thread to be posted?

There have to be SOME boundaries. Unfortunately it can be hard to figure out where they should be placed.

[Ambrianna]

You're right, this is a discussion board - so does everyone else have the right to put the spotlight on the one person they feel should be spotlighted?

Do you feel that no one should ever be able to delete their posts/threads - including you - ever?

I understand why you wanted answers to those questions - but did the entire thread need to be reposted, instead of just your own words? I guess that's the part I don't understand. There IS a happy medium for this, it doesn't have to be all one way or the other.


ETA - I thought I might try give a view point on why dnj did what she did. It will ultimately be Greg's call and we respect that, even if we're wrong.

[nightowlrn]

Originally Posted by Ambrianna