Michelle Obama.....true thoughts

BlueSkeyes · #1 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:37 AM

From her days at Princeton.

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kvmj · #2 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 11:03 AM

First of all, it has been a few decades since I have seen such blatant prejudice. It tells me a lot about you for finding it worthy of sharing.

Like Michelle, I love this country, but cannot say that I am always proud of what we do. Most of my life has been spent in the South. I didn't even see a black person until I was 5. She was our maid. I didn't see another black until I was 8. That was through a fence on a playground. I was told to get away from the fence. No black ever went to any of the elementary schools I attended. Nor were there any in the junior highs that I attended. No blacks lived in my neighborhoods; they weren't allowed. In my senior year two blacks attended my brand new high school. Their parents had sold the county the land for the school. I didn't get to know either of these people because they kept to themselves.

In all this time, I read about lynchings where "good" Christian white folks would string up "uppity" blacks. Sometimes, the victim would be tarred and feathered too. Then, these "good" white Christians would all pose with their handiwork. The picture would later be made into postcards and proudly sold in local shops. I thought it was horrible but I still didn't know any blacks. I can remember water cannons being turned on peaceful blacks by the "good" white Christians of the South as they peacefully marched for equal rights.

Michelle grew up the same way that I did. I am quite sure that there were no white people in her neighborhood. Even though Civil Rights legislation was passed in 1968, there were (and still are) a million ways to deny opportunities to people who have darker skin than I do. So, when Michelle attended Princeton, she was around white people as equals for the first time in her life.

I don't see a thing in the world wrong with anything she wrote. The fact that you do tells me that if Obama loses, it will be for one reason. He's black. Shame on you for posting this racist screed.

jeanief · #3 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 11:05 AM

And she became a candidate....when, exactly was that? So much for the "leave the family alone" plaintive cry when it comes to Palin's family.

And, besides, this is NOT the entire thesis and is being INTERPRETED by someone over 20 years later who I promise you has taken passages out of context (where is the entire text) and has not spoken to Mrs. Obama about it.

After all, remember that posters on here are excusing John McCain of calling his wife a c*** "because it was ten years ago and people change." But apparently you only get a pass on changing if you are a conservative.

Here is a link to an article which contains a link to the entire thesis if you want to read the entire thing and not some snippets that fit the slant of the article's author. It also debunks many internet email lies out there. Read the article pointing out those lies/discrepencies and then take the time to read the entire thesis. Also in this article is a link --make sure you click on both--that shows a great example why Mrs. Obama was correct in feeling the way she did about being separate at the Ivy League school--ostracized as she was.

PolitiFact | Digging up dirt on Michelle Obama

And, once again, remember that Mrs. Obama is NOT the candidate and all the repubs/cons. on here have been screaming leave the families alone anyway......

forrestlayne · #4 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 11:15 AM

These links break it down because the pdf are large.
You may have to copy and paste links into your browser.

Part 1
http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...esis_1-251.pdf

Part 2
http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_26-501.pdf

Part 3
http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_51-751.pdf

Part 4
http://dyn.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_76-981.pdf

jeanief · #5 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 11:19 AM

These are the links separated from the thesis that I cited above for those who have read just the thesis by itself for those who want a different view than that offered by BlueSkeyes. The link that was in my earlier post has the same links as Forest's post...which takes out the other information I wanted to offer you.

Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide - Jeffrey Ressner - Politico.com

Georgian recalls rooming with Michelle Obama | ajc.com

hambirg · #6 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanief

And she became a candidate....when, exactly was that? So much for the "leave the family alone" plaintive cry when it comes to Palin's family.
And, besides, this is NOT the entire thesis and is being INTERPRETED by someone over 20 years later who I promise you has taken passages out of context (where is the entire text) and has not spoken to Mrs. Obama about it.

After all, remember that posters on here are excusing John McCain of calling his wife a c*** "because it was ten years ago and people change." But apparently you only get a pass on changing if you are a conservative.

Here is a link to an article which contains a link to the entire thesis if you want to read the entire thing and not some snippets that fit the slant of the article's author. It also debunks many internet email lies out there. Read the article pointing out those lies/discrepencies and then take the time to read the entire thesis. Also in this article is a link --make sure you click on both--that shows a great example why Mrs. Obama was correct in feeling the way she did about being separate at the Ivy League school--ostracized as she was.

PolitiFact | Digging up dirt on Michelle Obama

And, once again, remember that Mrs. Obama is NOT the candidate and all the repubs/cons. on here have been screaming leave the families alone anyway......

But apparently Cindy McCain is fair game:

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Originally Posted by jeanief

So, a well-heeled criminal prescription-stolen junkie is more acceptable than a street junkie (many of whom, by the way, have mental health issues who use drug to self-medicate) and deserving of compassion and since they have the money and can be rehabilitated it is all okay. Yet the homeless "street junkie" without the benefit of being able to steal a prescription drug pad and clean up enough to walk into a drug store and pass off that stolen scrip doesn't deserve our compassion and is somehow judged more harshly.

Sad double-standard

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Originally Posted by jeanief

Yes, and Mrs. McCain, no matter how much you want to skirt the issue, still stole money from charities, stole prescription pads, forged prescriptions and had many instances of illegally obtained drugs---making her no different than the "street corner" addicts and dealers, EXCEPT for the fact that she had the $$$$ and political connections to escape the same punishment of those "streetcorner" addicts. Definitely not a fair situation and not something she should be lauded for.

Just sayin. . . .

jeanief · #7 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 01:17 AM

Why don't you look WHO started those posts I responded to? THey were started by your cronies who were lauding Cindy McCain and how much better a candidate and how much more qualified she was than Mr. Obama. Really kind of crappy of you (but not surprising) to pull things out of context.

kathytheshopper · #8 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanief

Why don't you look WHO started those posts I responded to? THey were started by your cronies who were lauding Cindy McCain and how much better a candidate and how much more qualified she was than Mr. Obama. Really kind of crappy of you (but not surprising) to pull things out of context.

Actually the thread I started was to point out how UNQUALIFED Sen. Obama is. I felt that even Cindy McCain's resume would have more experience.

kathytheshopper · #9 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 01:49 AM

[quote=kvmj;3042330 The fact that you do tells me that if Obama loses, it will be for one reason. He's black. Shame on you for posting this racist screed.[/QUOTE]

Racism works both ways. Maybe if Obama WINS it will be because he is black!!! He certainly isn't qualified.

hambirg · #10 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanief

Why don't you look WHO started those posts I responded to? THey were started by your cronies who were lauding Cindy McCain and how much better a candidate and how much more qualified she was than Mr. Obama. Really kind of crappy of you (but not surprising) to pull things out of context.

Hmmm. . .I'm not sure as to who you are referring to as my "cronies" but the Cindy McCain thread was started by Dannyboy. She doesn't appear to be lauding the qualifications of Cindy McCain either. In fact she seems to be slamming the McCains. Let me remind you:

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Originally Posted by dannyboy

In another thread, we read about how qualified she is, and how Obama doesn't have even as much experience as does she.

The reality is, apparently, that she has struggled through some pretty significant demons. These included drug addiction, which led her to steal drugs from her charity.

Ultimately, her family did an intervention.

This is my problem. From everything that I have read, it was her immediate family that did the intervention, and McCain didn't know about her problem.

How is that possible? Why is that possible?

How is it that her immediate family could recognize a problem and stage an intervention without her husband even knowing that there was a problem?

Maybe I missed something. From everything that I have read, McCain didn't even know there was a problem.

How can someone be so oblivious to the addiction of a spouse? How does an intervention occur with what would think is the most important player in the subject's life, the spouse, not be a member?

Now, I'm not going to pretend to have followed this issue, and maybe what I'm reading between the lines is wrong. It is given that she was addicted to painkillers. It is also given that she has admitted to stealing them. It is also given that her family led an intervention.

The big question in my mind is where was John?

There is more than one way to betray a spouse. And being so distant from them that you don't even see that they have a problem, and you aren't even included in their family's intervention, is disturbing.

I don't suppose that I would care much about this if there wasn't the whole "Cindy is better than Obama" thread. But given that, and given that McCain is the Republican nominee, he doesn't seem to have served Cindy very well.

I also don't think that's neither here nor there. And I didn't pull anything out of context. I quoted your entire posts and it is still free for anybody here to go look at the original threads.

Someone posted a possible problem they see with Cindy McCain and you jumped all over it. Someone posted a possible problem they see with Michelle Obama, and you defended her, which I don't have a problem with. BUT then you scolded the poster with the fact that Michelle Obama is not THE candidate and that families should be off limits. You certainly didn't do the same with Cindy McCain. Hmmm. . .so like I pointed out. . .Michelle Obama is off limits because she is not a candidate, but Cindy McCain is apparently fair game in your book.

So sorry you think my pointing out your glaring hypocrisy is crappy.

hambirg · #11 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kathytheshopper

Actually the thread I started was to point out how UNQUALIFED Sen. Obama is. I felt that even Cindy McCain's resume would have more experience.

What I quoted didn't come from the thread you started. It came from this one:

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...dy-mccain.html

kolu · #12 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 02:36 AM

Michelle has been hot & heavy campaigning in this election, you know...the one time I'm proud of America...she has put herself in the situation to be included in discussions. I don't recall seeing Cindy out there making speeches prior to the convention.

Oops, theres that race card being played again...for people who don't want this to be about race, why is it thrown up so often by them?

jeanief · #13 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 02:39 AM

she did NOT say "the ONE time"......as if it was the only time......she said "for the first time in my adult life..."

hambirg · #14 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanief

she did NOT say "the ONE time"......as if it was the only time......she said "for the first time in my adult life..."

Yes, the first time she's been proud of her country in the last 26yrs.

kvmj · #15 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hambirg

Yes, the first time she's been proud of her country in the last 26yrs.

So what? I can honestly say that I am not proud of my country and haven't been since we invaded Iraq. Not one time has this country done one thing to make me proud. In fact, I am deeply ashamed.

hambirg · #16 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kvmj

So what? I can honestly say that I am not proud of my country and haven't been since we invaded Iraq. Not one time has this country done one thing to make me proud. In fact, I am deeply ashamed.

You must be reading into something I wrote. I just said what she said.

Yes, she didn't say it was the ONE time she has been proud of her country. She said it was the first time in her adult life. . .that would be 26yrs.

kvmj · #17 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hambirg

You must be reading into something I wrote. I just said what she said.

I'm not reading anything into what you wrote. You are reading something into what she said.

hambirg · #18 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kvmj

I'm not reading anything into what you wrote. You are reading something into what she said.

Huh?

Did she not say, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" ???

I did the math, that would be 26yrs.

cougarskies · #19 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kvmj

First of all, it has been a few decades since I have seen such blatant prejudice. It tells me a lot about you for finding it worthy of sharing

I don't see a thing in the world wrong with anything she wrote. The fact that you do tells me that if Obama loses, it will be for one reason. He's black. Shame on you for posting this racist screed.

Actually, your post is the racist one, not her's. Racism works both ways and every time that anyone doesn't agree with you, you play the race card. You've played it so often that it has no meaning.

It shows a certain racist mind set to write that the only reason Obama could lose is because he's black. No candidate is entitled to a win just because he isn't white. I don't like Obama for many reasons and none have anything to do with his color.

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Originally Posted by kvmj

I can honestly say that I am not proud of my country and haven't been since we invaded Iraq. Not one time has this country done one thing to make me proud. In fact, I am deeply ashamed.

Yes, so you keep telling us, year after year after year. You don't need to pretend to be deeply ashamed because we all know that America isn't your country. You're not one of us and we all know it. You've made it abundantly clear over the last several years that you dislike America intensely. Have you forgotten your previous anti-US posts or are you just hoping that we have? LOL. FYI, 'this country' is one of the few that will allow you to post your endless hate messages about her. If you can't work up pride for what America stands for, then you should at least be grateful for your freedom to post your anti-American drivel.

I see a great deal wrong with a Presidential candidates wife saying that it took 26 years for her to feel pride in America, especially since she felt proud of her country for the first time in her adult life only because her husband won certain states votes. You can try to justify her remark any way you want but her meaning is clear and I don't want anyone like that to be First Lady. I'd rather have someone who actually likes America all the time and not just when they get a certain benefit from her.

kvmj · #20 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cougarskies

Actually, your post is the racist one, not her's. Racism works both ways and every time that anyone doesn't agree with you, you play the race card. You've played it so often that it has no meaning.

It shows a certain racist mind set to write that the only reason Obama could lose is because he's black. No candidate is entitled to a win just because he isn't white. I don't like Obama for many reasons and none have anything to do with his color.

Yes, so you keep telling us, year after year after year. You don't need to pretend to be deeply ashamed because we all know that America isn't your country. You're not one of us and we all know it. You've made it abundantly clear over the last several years that you dislike America intensely. Have you forgotten your previous anti-US posts or are you just hoping that we have? LOL. FYI, 'this country' is one of the few that will allow you to post your endless hate messages about her. If you can't work up pride for what America stands for, then you should at least be grateful for your freedom to post your anti-American drivel.

I see a great deal wrong with a Presidential candidates wife saying that it took 26 years for her to feel pride in America, especially since she felt proud of her country for the first time in her adult life only because her husband won certain states votes. You can try to justify her remark any way you want but her meaning is clear and I don't want anyone like that to be First Lady. I'd rather have someone who actually likes America all the time and not just when they get a certain benefit from her.

Actually, this is my country and always has been. I do love this country. I do not love what she does. We invaded a tiny country on false premises and took over a million lives. We have tortured innocent people. We have held our own citizens and denied them access to counsel. We tortured them too. I am most assuredly not one of you if you embrace these actions. I haven't even met one of you. I was not proud when this country left it citizens stranded on roof toops without water or needed medicines. I was not proud that this country left my fellow citizens dead and floating in the water for weeks. These are things that made you proud? Bless your heart.

Kelliiii · #21 (**permalink**) 09-08-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cougarskies

I see a great deal wrong with a Presidential candidates wife saying that it took 26 years for her to feel pride in America, especially since she felt proud of her country for the first time in her adult life only because her husband won certain states votes. You can try to justify her remark any way you want but her meaning is clear and I don't want anyone like that to be First Lady. I'd rather have someone who actually likes America all the time and not just when they get a certain benefit from her.

Well, I would rather have someone who hasn't commited crimes in the name of charity and didn't show up to the convention in the $300k outfit (yes, I said $300k) when the economy is killing most Americans. I relate more to the honesty of someone saying that they've struggled having faith in their leaders and pride in their country than someone that is sooooo obviously out of touch (or at the very least is acting like a celebrity).

In case you are wondering where I got the $300k info...it was from Vanity Fair. They did a breakdown of both her and Laura Bush's outfits. First Lady Bush was more conservative in her white suit and accessories (which I thought she looked very nice in) coming in at the $4k range. But, Cindy put on a show in her mustard colored suit and flashy jewels....

Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, Taryn Rose: $475
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

Even if she borrowed everything....it is a sad commentary on politics vs. celebrity status. Even if Vanity Fair is wrong, it doens't change one fact....

...it all doesn't really matter!

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