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Old 12-11-2007, 05:53 PM
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Oprah and Obama

Ok, I like Oprah but why is this newsworthy?
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:19 PM
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One of the most influential and powerful women in America decides to endorse a candidate and you doubt that it's newsworthy? This is a woman that can sell thousands of books on her say-so. Her power is amazing. It's a huge coup for Obama!
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Old 12-11-2007, 11:27 PM
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She does nothing for me personally, Although all the candidates do it, I dont need a celebrity or a talk show host to tell me who to vote for...Most Americans are smart enough to figure that out on their own....but the sad thing is candidates do get votes soley because of what celebrity endorses them....There are alot of people who are so captivated by these people, they dont think on their own...the hold them up like they are God's or something...its really sad....Sherri
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Old 12-12-2007, 05:14 AM
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..but the sad thing is candidates do get votes soley because of what celebrity endorses them....There are alot of people who are so captivated by these people, they dont think on their own...the hold them up like they are God's or something...its really sad....Sherri
Yep, just like Mike Huckabee and Chuck Norris . . . or Giuliani and Pat Robertson.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:51 AM
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Oprah is a very accomplished woman and well respected by most in this country. Her endorsement doesn't hurt Obama one little bit.
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Old 12-12-2007, 11:27 AM
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No it doesn't hurt Obama's campaign. Just not sure that it should be on every newstation for days. There is plenty of news to report on.
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Old 12-12-2007, 12:38 PM
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no one's gonna vote for him, he wants to give everyone health care.
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:49 PM
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no one's gonna vote for him, he wants to give everyone health care.

That would be just awful, wouldn't it?
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:08 PM
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That would be just awful, wouldn't it?
Oh, yes, it's so much better when GWB just starts wars. When people are dead, they don't need health insurance. So considerate of GWB, isn't it?
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:31 PM
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Oh, yes, it's so much better when GWB just starts wars. When people are dead, they don't need health insurance. So considerate of GWB, isn't it?

He just vetoed another children's health bill.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:52 PM
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He just vetoed another children's health bill.
do you know why he vetoed it?
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:55 PM
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Oprah is a very accomplished woman and well respected by most in this country. Her endorsement doesn't hurt Obama one little bit.
I agree Oprah is a very accomplished woman, not sure I'd say she's respected by "most" in this country. As for her endorsement not hurting Obama, I disagree.

While I do appreciate and respect the accomplishments of Oprah, I personally don't care for her much. The more I see of her, and her actions, I feel she is racist (that black women's party, the girl's school in Africa, etc.)

JMO, but, that's how I feel.
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:12 AM
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do you know why he vetoed it?
Because five billion per month for war is good, but five billion per year for children's health is bad in BushWorld. He is one sick SOB, but I'm sure God will give him what he deserves in the end.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:09 AM
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Because five billion per month for war is good, but five billion per year for children's health is bad in BushWorld. He is one sick SOB, but I'm sure God will give him what he deserves in the end.

truble, I understand your disdain for President Bush, but, that was not quite the answer I was looking for. I honestly have not followed the children's health care issue. We have excellent health coverage, so I guess I didn't follow for that reason. I would, however, like to start paying attention to this stuff and get some solid info.

I'm going to start another thread, so we can keep this one rolling along with Oprah and O'bama.

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Since you hate America so much, why do you stay?

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Because five billion per month for war is good, but five billion per year for children's health is bad in BushWorld. He is one sick SOB, but I'm sure God will give him what he deserves in the end.
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:26 AM
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Anyone wih ANY sense can see that Bush is an idiot regarding the war in Iraq...spending BILLIONS we need here at home for education and support of OUR people...not a bunch of Iraq folks who don't even want us there and appreciate nothing!

Oprah's support of Obama is simply "media hype" that will not result in any positive outcome. She is a black woman supporting a black man. Nothing more, nothing less. The vast majority of Americans don't care!

We need to consider EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE...and the "ability" to lead...not the color of one's skin.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:00 PM
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Since you hate America so much, why do you stay?
OMG, are you for real? Surely you can't be. You're right out of the Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh playbook.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:02 PM
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truble, I understand your disdain for President Bush, but, that was not quite the answer I was looking for. I honestly have not followed the children's health care issue. We have excellent health coverage, so I guess I didn't follow for that reason. I would, however, like to start paying attention to this stuff and get some solid info.

I'm going to start another thread, so we can keep this one rolling along with Oprah and O'bama.

Thanks.
Don't know why you think I didn't give the right answer. Bush vetoed it because it was too much money. My answer has nothing to do with my disdain for Bush, it was just the right answer.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:19 PM
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OMG, are you for real? Surely you can't be. You're right out of the Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh playbook.

do a search of this person's posts.....they are ALL like this. I think it is an MC Mod or someone trolling to stir stuff up, honestly. Don't fall for it.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:22 PM
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do a search of this person's posts.....they are ALL like this. I think it is an MC Mod or someone trolling to stir stuff up, honestly. Don't fall for it.
You're so right. I did go and look at his/her posts and it's wild. I hope she's not for real, because that would be really scary.
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Old 12-13-2007, 01:46 PM
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Anyone wih ANY sense can see that Bush is an idiot regarding the war in Iraq...spending BILLIONS we need here at home for education and support of OUR people...not a bunch of Iraq folks who don't even want us there and appreciate nothing!

Oprah's support of Obama is simply "media hype" that will not result in any positive outcome. She is a black woman supporting a black man. Nothing more, nothing less. The vast majority of Americans don't care!

We need to consider EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE...and the "ability" to lead...not the color of one's skin.

Oprah has helped Obama enormously. He's risen in the polls in Iowa, NH, SC.
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Old 12-13-2007, 05:07 PM
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You're so right. I did go and look at his/her posts and it's wild. I hope she's not for real, because that would be really scary.
What makes you think it's a she?
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Well I for one am not posting that SHI* . I do not think it is a mod either!. truble2301's posts has a very great disdain for our president.
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Because five billion per month for war is good, but five billion per year for children's health is bad in BushWorld. He is one sick SOB, but I'm sure God will give him what he deserves in the end. I call that a disdain for Bush.

May I remind you HE is OUR president until we elect a new one.
There are reasons he does what he does, Yes I can question it all I want, but I really do not know the whole story, maybe never will.

I have brother's serving in the war, Yes I want to see them come home in one piece . But I have to have faith in our president. We can bicker back and forth on the subject, It doesnt help one bit, might make you feel better, and I hope it does.

As for a troll. Probably!
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:04 PM
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do a search of this person's posts.....they are ALL like this. I think it is an MC Mod or someone trolling to stir stuff up, honestly. Don't fall for it.
Hey, Hey, Hey! Why would you lump her in with us? Mods - Good ~~~ Trolls - Bad (But they sure crack me up at times!)
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I am wondering WHY we are unable to rate the thread, or give a reputation for any threads on this board?? hummmmm
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I have no idea who or what s/he is!
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Well I for one am not posting that SHI* . I do not think it is a mod either!. truble2301's posts has a very great disdain for our president.
Are you new around here? My disgust for Bush is pretty well known.

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Or he's impeached.

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We can bicker back and forth on the subject, It doesnt help one bit, might make you feel better, and I hope it does.
I feel the way I do and no amount of arguing or insults from you is going to change it. Nor do I care if I change your opinion. I have no reason to believe one word Bush says. If his mouth is open, odds are he's lying.
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Since you hate America so much, why do you stay?
This is my first post on the boards, and I know if I see more comments like this it will be far from my last.

I don't understand why people equate the belief that George W. is a moron and should be held responsible for many of the problems we now have with hating America. Last time I checked, the First Amendment to the U.S. Consitution gives us freedom of speech. We're allowed to disagree with our leaders and their policies and actions.

If we don't get this bum out of office soon and change the direction that he has taken the country in, we're not going to be the world's only superpower anymore. Think what you will of China's policies (which I detest also), but they are going to take over if we don't get our act together.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:35 PM
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Are you new around here? My disgust for Bush is pretty well known.



Or he's impeached.



I feel the way I do and no amount of arguing or insults from you is going to change it. Nor do I care if I change your opinion. I have no reason to believe one word Bush says. If his mouth is open, odds are he's lying.

NOPE, Ive been around since 1999, and we know your disdain with Bush,you have said it a thousand times.

And I am not insulting you at the very least bit! That is how you feel, but I am tired of people shoving hatred down my throat. Maybe if you don't like the way this country is running, you should run for office!
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:39 PM
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That is how you feel, but I am tired of people shoving hatred down my throat. Maybe if you don't like the way this country is running, you should run for office!
How am I shoving anything down your throat? How silly . . . you don't like what I say, don't read it. No skin off my nose.
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:43 PM
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Maybe if you don't like the way this country is running, you should run for office!
Maybe if you don't like 'hatred shoved down your throat' you should scroll past her posts.
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Maybe if you don't like 'hatred shoved down your throat' you should scroll past her posts.
Or use the "ignore" feature. From the Board's FAQs:

"Ignore lists are used for those people whose messages you wish not to read. By adding someone to your ignore list, those messages posted by these individuals will be hidden when you read a thread."

That'll show us Bush haters.
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Or use the "ignore" feature. From the Board's FAQs:

"Ignore lists are used for those people whose messages you wish not to read. By adding someone to your ignore list, those messages posted by these individuals will be hidden when you read a thread."
I'm not certain if this is still true, but I believe Moderators do not have the 'ignore' option.
However if they do, yes, that would be a good solution.
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I am wondering WHY we are unable to rate the thread, or give a reputation for any threads on this board?? hummmmm
I just gave you rep points to try it out, and it gave them to you. You can't give them to the same person before you "spread it around", and you can only give so much in a 24 hour period. I'll try rating the thread now, to see if that works for me.


nope, couldn't rate the thread.
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Hey, Hey, Hey! Why would you lump her in with us? Mods - Good ~~~ Trolls - Bad (But they sure crack me up at times!)
I really meant to say Admin. actually. I think they drum up names to post things to stir the pot. Also, some mods have done the same. NO, not all Mods in the same pot, but, I do think it is someone "on the inside", so to speak.
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I agree Oprah is a very accomplished woman, not sure I'd say she's respected by "most" in this country. As for her endorsement not hurting Obama, I disagree.

While I do appreciate and respect the accomplishments of Oprah, I personally don't care for her much. The more I see of her, and her actions, I feel she is racist (that black women's party, the girl's school in Africa, etc.)

JMO, but, that's how I feel.
I agree 100% the more I see her the more she makes me sick!!!!!
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I'm not certain if this is still true, but I believe Moderators do not have the 'ignore' option.
However if they do, yes, that would be a good solution.
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Yes, we do have that function.

But, as we do help each other out on various boards, and many members post on various boards, it doesn't really make sense to have people on ignore.

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But, as we do help each other out on various boards, and many members post on various boards, it doesn't really make sense to have people on ignore.
I think if the mod, posting under her or his mod name as opposed to whatever other name s/he might post under, feels such antipathy towards what I say, I really would prefer s/he put me on ignore. The wisdom of a mod being permitted to exhibit such distaste towards a particular poster is yet another issue, IMHO. Fortunately, I'm not concerned with what this moderator feels about me or my opinions and don't anticipate that changing.
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And I am not insulting you at the very least bit! That is how you feel, but I am tired of people shoving hatred down my throat. Maybe if you don't like the way this country is running, you should run for office!
This board is going to have people with different points of view. I suggest that if you are not happy with that, perhaps you should not read the posts. If you want a bunch of people who only agree with you, then, first that's pretty boring, and second, it's narrow minded and third, you can't have anything shoved down your throat unless your mouth is open.
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I am not posting those comments and I do not have anyone doing it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That much I wholeheartedly agree with. We need to debate the issues and not each other. That's why we all are here - to gather information and make our own informed decision about our vote ....not attack each other.

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I am not posting those comments and I do not have anyone doing it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That much I wholeheartedly agree with. We need to debate the issues and not each other. That's why we all are here - to gather information and make our own informed decision about our vote ....not attack each other.

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Ok, I'll bite......who is attacking anyone else?? I see this as a lively debate, and it is very civilized. Honestly, if this continues with the "threats" about us attacking each other, I'm done on this board.

If someone were saying "yo, bozo....you're a moron" or something, yeah, I can see that as an attack, but, someone expressing how they feel, not an attack in my book.
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I think if the mod, posting under her or his mod name as opposed to whatever other name s/he might post under, feels such antipathy towards what I say, I really would prefer s/he put me on ignore. The wisdom of a mod being permitted to exhibit such distaste towards a particular poster is yet another issue, IMHO. Fortunately, I'm not concerned with what this moderator feels about me or my opinions and don't anticipate that changing.
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This board is going to have people with different points of view. I suggest that if you are not happy with that, perhaps you should not read the posts. If you want a bunch of people who only agree with you, then, first that's pretty boring, and second, it's narrow minded and third, you can't have anything shoved down your throat unless your mouth is open.
Well said and great points.

As to the OP, it's newsworthy because who endorses candidates - particularly a celeb or someone with 'pull' - gets attention in the press. Pat Robertson, Guilliani. Chuck Norris and Thompson. Now Oprah and Obama.
Why this is a common practice now, I don't know. The short answer is I guess it puts a brighter spotlight on the candidate that is being endorsed.
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I agree Oprah is a very accomplished woman, not sure I'd say she's respected by "most" in this country. As for her endorsement not hurting Obama, I disagree.

While I do appreciate and respect the accomplishments of Oprah, I personally don't care for her much. The more I see of her, and her actions, I feel she is racist (that black women's party, the girl's school in Africa, etc.)

JMO, but, that's how I feel.
I'm ambivilant about some of her actions and I don't always like some of her attitudes on certain things, but you can't argue with her accomplishments. Her Angel Network has funded schools in Sierra Leone, Nicaragua, Mexico, Haiti, India, China, Ecuador and other places. They, in conjuction, with another group have built 60 schools in 13 countries. And this is just a part of her activities. She is helping the Katrina victims. she has so many organizations that are helped that no one ever hears about. She built a school for 1000 students in some place in Africa whose name I can't spell or pronounce. Her network is active in helping abused women and on and on. She is black, and thus I would expect that to be what she feels most comfortable doing, but she does not exclusively give to blacks and she could easily do that. She evidently and understandably feels a bond to Africa and her people. But as long as her giving is across races and cultures then I don't think she can fairly be categorized as racist. Aside from that, it seems to me that most of the money is mostly going places where it is much needed and if that happens to sometimes be Africa then so be it. And on a final note, she gives far more than almost anyone at her economic level.
 

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