Ok, I have not followed the children's health care issue. My kids have excellent health care benefits, so I felt it didn't pertain to us. But, I guess it does, since it would be tax money paying for this, and I know several people who's children are/will be on public aide health care.

Ok, where can I go to read honest information about the health care for children???

thank you.

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I just googled it and came up with this from CNN politics.
"Speaking in Pennsylvania, Bush said he vetoed the bill because it was a step toward "federalizing" medicine and inappropriately expanded the program beyond its focus on helping poor children."
I know Bush has veto'd other thing because there was so many things pushed in to bills that it's unwise spending. What they need to have is a LINE ITEM veto, because then this would get rid of so much of the pork barrel spending on both sides.

"President Bush said the version he vetoed would have encouraged families to leave the private insurance market for the federally funded, state-run program."
Here is another on on the same site... My opinion of federal government taking over insurance is that our country would turn into Canada, and NO one wants to go there for medical care, not even the Canadians, so I don't understand the big push to federalize medicine. It makes no sense to me.

If he's so against federalized medicine, why hasn't he called for an end for Medicare?

President Bush isn't against health insurance for the truly poor children in this country. He believe's in private medicine, not the federal government running the health care system. More than half of the children that this bill was going to take care of already have private insurance, they want to move them to the goverment & that would be the begining of goverment controlled medicine. You what to make a mess of something let the goverment take control of it!

Could you cite where your information is from? Because I don't believe that's even close to being accurate. On the contary, most of the children that will be helped by this bill are currently uninsured and unable to obtain Medicaid insurance.

Here is some citation for APenny's statement.
"Instead of covering the uninsured, the expansion of SCHIP to higher-income children is "crowding out" private insurance. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that up to 50 percent of those newly enrolled in SCHIP were formerly insured by private plans.
More than 10 million low-income children still have private insurance. Rather than taking that insurance away, our goal should be making that insurance more affordable."
HHS Releases New Analysis of SCHIP Eligibility

The problem is, that isn't what this bill does. Bush is lying again.

Yes, you MUST be right KVMJ... Bush does NOTHING but lie... And he has EVERY conceivable government agency lie for him as well, right? Just because the democrats want to federalize health care and THEY say it's covering all the uninsured does not mean they are telling the truth... Get off your high horse and try to have an opinion of your own and do your own research instead of spewing hate all around.

I actually do read and know for a fact that his statements are complete falsehoods.

I would like to know how you know for a fact. So, this is also something the govt. dept of health and human services has stated as well, probably where Bush got his info, is that wrong as well?

Actually, it's far more likely that Bush's people spoonfed that info to HHS. It's certainly not based on reality.

George Bush is such a bad president that he was elected TWICE!.

This is the way the Bush administration works:

"''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''"

This has now been confirmed as being Karl Rove.

The New York Times > Magazine > Without a Doubt

I have also heard GOP pundits claim that the SCHIP bill would cover illegal immigrants. This also is a lie.

Read the bill.

Not by a majority of the people, he wasn't.

Yep, that is an absolute lie.

I see Medicare a little differently than I picture federalized medicine. In my mind, with federalized medicine, you are assigned to ONE doctor, you basically have your choices taken from you. With Medicare, you can go to whoever takes that health insurance. No?

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SCHIP, Medicaid and Medicare work exactly the same.

Of course, the whole "federalized medicine" thing is a bunch of hooey anyway.

One thing I don't understand is why these uninsured kids don't qualify for medicaid?? The whole situation baffles me, honestly. I know there are people who DO have health insurance and pay high rates. Are these the people who want the insurance?? Just trying to get educated on the situation.

I was at the doctor's office last week, and a boy came in, they asked what his insurance was, and his Mom said she had applied for Medicaid and was waiting on that. I just thought if you didn't have health insurance, you could get medicaid. I also thought that if you didn't have health insurance it was because you didn't have it offered thru your job. I would love to hear from some people who are actually in this boat of no health insurance, so I can get a better understanding of it.

Also, wanted to add.....our insurance (from what I have read) is based on Medicare. I guess the allowances are the same. But, we can pick the doctor we want, from within the participating doctors, etc. You go to your PCM (Primary Care Manager) first, then if you need a referral, you get that, and go on to a specialist. I am overall very happy with our insurance. If the gov't is wanting to have a plan like this, I would be interested in supporting it. Something like a gov't run health clinic......no thanks. But, also, I thought this is what we had Medicaid for. Oh, this is alll sooooo confusing.

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Because their parents made too much money to qualify for Medicaid.

Nope -- you still have to make under a certain amount of money. SCHIP is designed to "catch" those kids whose parents make too much to qualify for Medicaid but too little to afford private insurance.

Then you should look into supporting it, because that's bascially what it is.

LOLOLOLOLOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! Sherri

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- Ronald Reagan

Over half of bankruptcies can be attributed to health care costs and a whooping 75% actually had private health insurance. Over 40 million Americans don't have or can't get insurance because of affordability . As to charges that a government run system would be worse I disagree. We are the last of the developed countries to get a clue every other industrialized country protects their citizens by having a health care system regulated by their government. Furthermore, those that are arguing that the government does such a poor job, it already manages, Medicaid, Medicare, Military members, Federal employees and Veterans so this idea that government can't do a good job with health care is ridiculous.

George Bush is horrible for suggesting that the place for people who fall between the cracks is in an ER. ERs are for emergencies.


Furthermore another argument for government regulation and against private companies is that HMOs have been caught denying people coverage once they no longer became profitable. I believe Blue Cross is facing a lawsuit because of it. Another problem is junk insurance. The guy who came up with the idea of HSAs is the proud sponsor of junk insurance and is being investigated because he has taken peoples premiums and then when the time to pay up he's only paid partial to the hospital (he likened it to not paying sticker price on a car)of what they asked and as a result the hospitals send the people to collections(since they don't take partial payments).

and he has some thing like a 24% approval rating now.




LOLOLOLOLOL

Oh wait, that really isn't that funny.

found this on the aarp web sight. This is for medicaid:

"Generally, you must be a U.S. citizen to qualify for Medicaid. However, Emergency Medicaid is available, regardless of your citizenship status."

I know when we tried to get Medicaid for a family member on disability, they were denied it at first. If you get SSI, you get automatic medicaid. However, once you go off of SSI, you no longer get medicaid. I honestly don't remember exactly HOW it went, this was 15 years ago. I do remember telling that lady, tho, that the person was being penalized for getting a job, and getting off of SSI (Social Security something). It was a real mess, that's all I know, and I was SO frustrated!!!

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Please make sure you debate the issues and not attack anyone personally.

If anyone has a question on this, please PM me.

Thanks
Kristin