All Categories:
People Saved
​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Go Back   MyCoupons.com Shopping Boards > My ShoppingBoards Community > Friendly Political Discussions - 'POL'
 


Friendly Political Discussions - 'POL' Left, Right, or Center ~ You are All Welcome Here! So let’s hear your comments and opinions… Please be respectful to everybody . Political discussions tend to get heated and that is just fine, however, please remember to treat everybody with the same respect you expect.

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-15-2007, 05:06 PM
truble2301's Avatar
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 14,940
Huckabee: Women Should Submit Graciously to Their Husbands

Nice guy, but a few cards short of a deck.

Quote:
In June 1998, the Southern Baptist convention amended its official statement of beliefs for the first time in 35 years to declare that "a wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband." And Huckabee, a former Southern Baptist minister then serving as governor of Arkansas, signed a full-page ad in USA Today in support of the statement (along with 129 other evangelical leaders).
Stumper : Expertinent: Huckabee Agrees That Wives Should 'Submit Graciously' to Their Husbands. What Does He Mean?
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-15-2007, 05:31 PM
mycouponsgreg's Avatar
MC Prez
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 400
Blog Entries: 5
Ephesians - Chapter 5:22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.

I wouldn't question his sanity based upon this. After all, he was a minister and since the verse above says the same thing, it's not shocking to have an evangelical minister believe the bible.

The article continues

Quote:
Seeking context, I called up Roger S. Oldham, the SBC's vice president for convention relations. Here's what he had to say on the subject:

Mike Huckabee and his wife in signing this ad in 1998 were reflecting their commitment to their core religious values as revealed in the Bible.

With the exception of the word graciously, this is language coming right out of the Biblical text Ephesians V. It is an imperative addressed to the wife. It's not an imperative addressed to the husband. In other words, the man doesn't walk around and say, "Well, you're supposed to be submissive to me." It's not a club. Subordination is not subjugation, nor is it a statement of inferiority. And "servant," by the way, is not directed toward the woman. It's directed toward the man. She is submitting to the "servant leadership" of him. He is the one who is in the role of servant.

Now, there's no doubt that there has been abuse in interpreting the Ephesians V text. There have been those over the years who have read it that the husband is to keep his wife in constant remembrance that she's to be submissive.

But ideally the Ephesians V family is a family in which there is mutual submission to one another in the fear of the Lord. Therefore, when there are matters of discussion, both husband and wife converse with each other, seeking to find consensus. In those rare instances where consensus is not reached, the wife says, "Okay, you have the responsibility and accountability to stand before God one day and give an account of the decision you're going to make. But I--voluntarily--submit to your leadership is this instance." Now, when that happens, what that does is frees the husband up. He's no longer arguing with his wife. He now has to stand before God.
I really don't see how this is a big deal at all. He's a minister who proudly professes his belief in the bible. I'd kind of expect that
__________________
After all these years, I see that I was mistaken about Eve in the beginning; it is better to live outside the Garden with her than inside it without her.
Mark Twain
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-15-2007, 05:52 PM
truble2301's Avatar
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 14,940
Great, he believes in the Bible. So he'll adhere to all the prohibitions of the Bible, as laid out in that old Dr. Laura bit? Will we have to worry when he takes off every Sunday as president? That would bug me to death, I think. Do you really think that thinking people believe every word of the Bible is literally true? Oh wait -- this is the same whackjob that doesn't believe in evolution.

Dear Dr. Laura/Mike Huckabee?:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. .... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other
elements of God's Law and how to follow them.
* When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it
creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my
neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
* I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?
* I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is
in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem
is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
* Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male
and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
* I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.
Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am
I morally Obligated to kill him myself?
* A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there
'degrees' of abomination?
* Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
* Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the
hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?
* I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig
makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
* My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep
with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
Considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-15-2007, 10:01 PM
mycouponsgreg's Avatar
MC Prez
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 400
Blog Entries: 5
No, I was simply saying that the fact that he believes in the bible shouldn't be a shock. Read what Obama's church believes and states as their mission. I think it is reasonable to ask if he will be the president of the entire country or not. The mission of his church makes this a valid question but nobody will have the guts to actually ask him about it, but going after Huckabee for his religion is perfectly fine. So, it is PC to question evangelicals about their beliefs but asking people about the mission of their church is out of bounds. Shocking! Oh, Hill's camp dropping hints about coke, that is sooo cool. Geesh.

None of this. NONE of this should matter. We, as a general rule, are a religious people. What somebody believes in their heart about a creator doesn't really matter as much as how they will execute the duties of their office. To determine that, we need to look at their record and not their faith. Their record. In Hillary's case the records we can't actually see, in Obama's the one that just isn't there... Hmmm. What difference does it make if somebody has faith about creation of the world? How does that impact how they will execute the duties of their office? I thought our declaration of independence referenced a creator?

I'm not a fan of the field from either side, to the point that I really don't care who wins this election. It's not going to make any difference anyway.
__________________
After all these years, I see that I was mistaken about Eve in the beginning; it is better to live outside the Garden with her than inside it without her.
Mark Twain
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-15-2007, 11:25 PM
dnj51's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: South Central TX
Posts: 8,321
I personally have no problem with that statement. If this is going to make or break your opinion of a candidate, I'd be surprized, considering there are so many other much more importaint issue out there.
__________________
Mary
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-15-2007, 11:44 PM
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: in a house
Posts: 7,298
Is this the same guy who said about 15 years ago that people with HIV should be exiled , or something like that?? I'm not sure if this is the same one or not.
__________________
Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-16-2007, 06:26 AM
AMulquin's Avatar
Lifetime Member - Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 8,740
Quote:
Originally Posted by mycouponsgreg View Post
What somebody believes in their heart about a creator doesn't really matter as much as how they will execute the duties of their office.
So why would you not vote for Romney (a Mormon) ?
__________________
@@@
l/ l/ l/

Dont go through life,
GROW through life


Real eyes...realize...real lies.
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 12-16-2007, 06:53 AM
truble2301's Avatar
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 14,940
Quote:
Originally Posted by allinaugust View Post
Is this the same guy who said about 15 years ago that people with HIV should be exiled , or something like that?? I'm not sure if this is the same one or not.
Yep, that's him. Quarantined was his word.

I don't care what he believes or doesn't believe. But I don't think that anyone who believes that stuff is fit to be president.

Between his fondness for gifts, his really off-the-wall ideas about HIV, his ridiculous stance on evolution, his support for illegal immigrants - yikes! He makes Tom Cruise look normal.

Some more of the "wisdom" of Mike Huckabee:

Quote:
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, surging in Iowa polls in the Republican presidential race, wrote on a questionnaire while running for U.S. Senate in 1992 that homosexuality is "aberrant" and "sinful."

"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk," Huckabee wrote in the questionnaire for The Associated Press, which reported the answer on Saturday.

In another answer that could damage his standing in the presidential race, Huckabee wrote on the questionnaire that AIDS research was receiving an unfair amount of federal money. Instead, he said celebrities should pay for the research.

"In light of the extraordinary funds already being given for AIDS research, it does not seem that additional federal spending can be justified," Huckabee wrote, according to the AP.

"An alternative would be to request that multimillionaire celebrities, such as Elizabeth Taylor, Madonna and others who are pushing for more AIDS funding be encouraged to give out of their own personal treasuries increased amounts for AIDS research."
Huckabee called homosexuality 'sinful' - Mike Allen - Politico.com
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 09:59 AM
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: in a house
Posts: 7,298
Well, this thread has ruled out Huckabee for my vote. One down.............
__________________
Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 10:18 AM
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,236
I think that the actions of one's children can reflect on the way that they were raised too. It can reflect well or not so well on the parents. A story came out yesterdsay that when Huckabee's son was at a Boy Scout camp, he and some friends came across a stray dog and hung it for fun. His son was 17 at the time.

I am also very bothered his lack of knowledge of things outside Arkansas.
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 10:22 AM
truble2301's Avatar
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 14,940
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvmj View Post
I think that the actions of one's children can reflect on the way that they were raised too. It can reflect well or not so well on the parents. A story came out yesterdsay that when Huckabee's son was at a Boy Scout camp, he and some friends came across a stray dog and hung it for fun. His son was 17 at the time.

I am also very bothered his lack of knowledge of things outside Arkansas.
How very Christian of his son . . .
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 10:43 AM
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,236
Newsweek now has an article out: Son?s Past Could Come Back to Bite Huckabee | Newsweek Periscope | Newsweek.com

I think this is the same son who said, "No Huckabee can eat at Taco Belle for $7.00." While governor, Huckabee charged Arkansas taxpayers for his wife's inauguration gown along with meals for his grown kids.
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 11:16 AM
truble2301's Avatar
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 14,940
Oh, Huckabee loves the freebies, that's definitely been reported.
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 11:30 AM
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: in a house
Posts: 7,298
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvmj View Post
While governor, Huckabee charged Arkansas taxpayers for his wife's inauguration gown along with meals for his grown kids.
I think all political figures divulge in "perks" as they call them. I think both sides Rep and Dem have things like this in the closet. It seems to me they try to one-up the other candidates with dirt.

Barak O'bama said something about his drug use. NO ONE is "clean". I'm just trying to find the person with the least "dirt" and who takes the best stand on the issues.
__________________
Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 12:18 PM
marilynk's Avatar
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 7,021
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvmj View Post
I think that the actions of one's children can reflect on the way that they were raised too. It can reflect well or not so well on the parents. A story came out yesterdsay that when Huckabee's son was at a Boy Scout camp, he and some friends came across a stray dog and hung it for fun. His son was 17 at the time.

I am also very bothered his lack of knowledge of things outside Arkansas.

Huckabee's son was also detained at an airport for having a loaded weapon in his carry-on. Honest mistake? Or did he assume that becasue his daddy was governor of Arkansas he'd get a free pass?

Hell will freeze over before I or any of my family vote for Huckabee.
__________________
Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"
Sponsored Links
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 12-17-2007, 02:02 PM
Ultimate Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by marilynk View Post
Huckabee's son was also detained at an airport for having a loaded weapon in his carry-on. Honest mistake? Or did he assume that becasue his daddy was governor of Arkansas he'd get a free pass?

Hell will freeze over before I or any of my family vote for Huckabee.

He got a free pass for torturing a dog to death.
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 12-21-2007, 04:02 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 14
I'm no fan of Obama, but his past drug use makes him more of an attractive candidate than looking at a pic of Huckabee's all you can eat buffet family. Combined with the fact his son has serial killer tendencies (senselessly killing a dog) and he tried to take a gun on board an airplane, post 9/11. He never served a day for that or the dog (that's sick). He wanted to isolate aids patients, he freed a rapist for political reasons (his accuser was a friend of the Clintons) and then they guy raped and killed another woman. He wanted the children of illegal immigrants to receive benefits in Arkansas, including tuition discounts. And on top of all that, he thinks women should "submit". This man needs to get a time machine and go back to 1953, he might be a viable candidate there. In today's world, he just looks like a redneck bigot.
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:59 AM.



Ad Management by RedTyger