WorldNetDaily: Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway

lol, president of africa indeed

Sadly there is more then a grain of truth to what he said as far as news media following the "disappearance" of an attractive young white woman.

As for the pastor's statements on various other issues -- lets not forget some of the more off the wall statements of Revs. Falwell and Robertson, both close confidants of the current occupant of the White House.

When I read the article, I don't see that Obama said anything about the little girl in Aruba. Your continued efforts to associate Obama with things that he is not saying or doing by virtue of what others he has associated with say or do is sad. And I am missing what it has to do with Obama wanting to be president of Africa which I already pointed out that there is no president of Africa. PUM, you just continue to amaze me by trying to produce controversial subjects that are wrong or outright stupidity. Are you that afraid that Sen. Barack will win the election?
I don't really judge people by people they associate too much. Heck, I, in some way, associate with you, PUM, here at MC and I certainly hope that people don't think that you and I share the same views on anything.

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Something to think about:
If Obama is elected President will more of our taxpayers money go to Kenya?
He has been on trips to Africa since he became a US Senator. (Partly funded with taxpayers money)

He does appear to be staying in touch with what is happening there.
Obama family in Kenya watches U.S. vote - USATODAY.com
"In fact, Obama's spokesman Robert Gibbs confirmed the senator spoke to opposition leader Raila Odinga for about five minutes Monday before going into a rally in New Hampshire.
Odinga, a Luo, told British Broadcasting Corp. radio that Obama's father was his uncle, and that Obama called him "in the midst of his campaigning ... to express his concern and to say that he is also going to call President Kibaki so that Kibaki agrees to find a negotiated, satisfactory solution to this problem."


While I can understand wanting to help the world...We need to take care of our own country first.

That's a part of his job. He's a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. They take trips.
He has visited also Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiophia, and South Africa in Africa. Should we now be concerned that he is vying to be president of those countries?

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I have a major problem with taxpayers money being used for such things. We have enough problems in our own country..the money for these trips such be used here in America. It is after all American money hard earned.

how soon until he wants to move the whitehouse to kenya as well?

But that was not how you phrased your initial replay. It almost seemed like you were suggesting he has some nefarious reason for visiting Africa, and was somehow lending credence to the ridiculous claim that he wants to be president of Africa.

But ok. You don't approve of federal dollars being used for any trips abroad. You should contact your state rep, Senator or Congressman and express your displeasure and reasons you want it to stop. Good luck with that.

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He did pay of some of the trip for him, his wife, and 2 children to see their grandmother, and other family members in Kenya. The President of the US does have most control over Foreign Policy such as putting troops where they want. Since he has family there will he try to help "the cause". I think it is a reasonable question to wonder if Obama is elected President if he would send US troops to Kenya.


On the other issue of using federal dollars.
I do believe that Congress needs to understand that people work very hard of their money. And do not want it to be used carelessly. America would probably not be in the shape it is going to be in if people were more careful with their money.

Most people in the US have to work till May to just pay the government in taxes. And then the government wastes the taxpayers money. Think about that the next time you or your Dh has to go to work in the cold or feeling "under the weather".

I think a bigger question to ask about any candidate is, how much of our money will we continue to pour into the Middle East? Do we really have to subsidize Exxon?

Actually, I kind of agree with Obama's minister. The news media is obsessed with missing white women.

Exactly my opinion of the war in Iraq. Why are hundreds of billions of American dollars being squandered there?

As for the OP's post -- sorry, no food left to feed the troll!

And that's all the more reason why it is important that he - or any other person part of the Foreign Relations commitees - travel and find out first hand about countries and what is going on there.

Well we have different ideas on what's careless. In this case, with an elected official having a job that requires travel in their job capacity, I don't agree that applies.

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We do have a difference as to what America should be doing. I think America should be taking care of ourselves. The TRILLION plus dollars every year spent overseas should be spent here.
We are just now beginning to see the housing crisis it will get worst. Just look at the "tent cities" that are starting in California.

A quote from someone I like.
"But since I'm a noninterventionist, I already know what our dealings should be with other countries. I don't need to go and check on how our money's being spent. I don't want to spend the money."

I think there should be more care on where we spend our monies, but isolationism has never worked for this country and probably never will. I like some of what Ron Paul has to say but his ideas on this, if implemented, are not only ridiculous, they are dangerous.

Isolationlism and nonintervention are two different things.
Ron Paul (since you mentioned him) wants nonintervention. He wants free trade and travel among all the countries. He does not want our military involved in other countries. Nor does he want the US to mess in the polices of other countries. This is totally different than isolationlism.

Google "Difference between Isolationlism and Nonintervention"

One of the main reasons for bringing all the troops home from everywhere is because the US can no longer afford this type of policy. The US is on the verge of being bankrupt...no money.
When this happen the military will be brought home anyway.

But this OP post was about Obama ...sorry to have gotten sidetracked.

I agree. Well said.

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Google "Difference between Isolationlism and Nonintervention" You will see there is a major difference!


Ok...which of his ideas do you consider ridiculous or dangerous?

On ABC, Sawyer Again Dwells on Obama and Race | NewsBusters.org

A transcript of the segment, which aired at 7:05am on January 3, follows:

SAWYER: Question about a pretty extraordinary event yesterday. A statement that you made at there quest of the Secretary of State it to the people of Kenya, particularly to President Kibaki of the Kikuyu tribe there, to try and do something about the violence. 300 have people died, 100,000 now misplaced because of the turmoil there. Here's the question, if you were the president, at this moment, would you do more. Would you send in troops to stop that violence?

OBAMA: Well, I don't think we're at that stage yet. Obviously, at this point, we're monitoring the situation. We're concerned about it. I want to make sure that people step back from the brink of chaos and violence and try to work through what has been a controversial and troublesome election in a way that maintains peace and that is ultimately good for the people of Kenya. And we'll watch to see whether it has any impact or not. But I thought it was something that I needed to take the time out to do if it might prevent some further violence down the road.

Well for one, securing our borders. Yes I know, everyone thinks that it is needed. But has anyone really considered the cost of doing that? I think the cost of building and maintaining such a system would be staggering and I don't think we can afford it. I suspect the cost of dealing with the illegal immigrants is a drop in the bucket, money-wise, compared to the Great Wall of Paul. Now certainly there are other measures that can and should be taken. Our port security for one. I do agree that it may be time to change the laws on becoming a citizen by location of birth.

I admit I haven't read everything he has written and I may have missed some important points, but his views on racism fixing itself if we just do away with certain laws, seems naive and confusing.

I don't like his ideas on education. Leaving things up to the states and communities does not work in a lot of instances. Some things need to be law in the whole country, not just in say, Mississippi. That's a big part of the problem in the middle-east. The Madras spring up because there is no central control over schooling. I can easily see a version of that happening here.

His anti-choice stance, in my opinion is wrong.

Which reminds me, I didn't see anything from him about the death penalty. What is his stance on that?

Second amendment, I don't agree with him.

Nonintervention is evidently very different than isolationism. Thanks for pointing that out. I suspect that I'm not the only one who made that leap. After reading it, I can see the appeal. I'm not sure that we can maintain our status in the world if we do that, but that might not be all bad.

Now understand that I have just skimmed a few of his extensive writings and probably have missed many of the aspects of his arguments that might change my point of view on him. And there are certainly some good ideas from the man, but I still can't get behind him for president.

(wildwood)Thank - you for your very thoughtful answer. I do understand that you do not agree with him on certain issues. Which is fine..at least you have gave a answer other than he is a "nut-case".

Answering your question:
(Which reminds me, I didn't see anything from him about the death penalty. What is his stance on that?)

Changed opinion to anti-death penalty due to many mistakes
Q: Is the death penalty is carried out justly?

A: Over the years, I've held pretty rigid all my beliefs, but I've changed my opinion about the death penalty. For federal purposes, I no longer believe in the death penalty. I believe it has been issued unjustly. If you're rich, you get away with it; if you're poor & you're from the inner city, you're more likely to be prosecuted & convicted. Today, with DNA evidence, there have been too many mistakes. So I am now opposed to the federal death penalty.
Source: 2007 GOP Presidential Forum at Morgan State University Sep 27, 2007

The article OP presents is quite scary, if you ask me. I certainly don't want him in the White House.

True, I don't want Obama's minister in the White House, either. Or Natalee Holloway, for that matter.

I wouldn't worry about anything I read on World Net Daily.

Good for him! Another thing we do agree on. But I notice he says federal death penalty. I'm not sure but I'm thinking that very few are put to death by the feds? And I also think any ruling about this should come from the federal government to cover all such cases, so that justice is the same in all parts of the country, regardless of what court or state is trying the offender.