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Old 03-16-2008, 11:49 PM
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Smile We Need A Change And To Get Rid Of Bush And Cheney Asap !!!

sERIOUSLY WE NEED A SERIOUS CHANGE FOR THIS WONDERFUL HOME WE CALL AMERICA. AS A VERY PROUD AMERICAN WE NEED TO GET A DEMOCRAT IN THE OFFICE ASAP AND GET RID OF BUSH. i AM A EXTREMEY LEFT WINGED LIBERAL DEMOCRAT TO THE END AND WHAT BUSH HAS DONE TO THIS COUNTRY ITS A SHAME . wE NEED TO END THE WAR AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME ASAP. WE NEED TO PUT THIS COUNTRY IN A BETTER FINANCIAL AND STABLE SUITUATION, FINALLY IF i HAD MY WAY I WOULD VOTE FOR A BLACK AMERICAN GAY WOMEN THEREFORE WE WOULD BRING ALL PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND AND NOT GIVEN A CHANCE TO SERVE , ITS 2008 AND ITS ABOUT TIME A BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN OR MAN OR A WHITE WOMEN SERVE OUR COUNTRY, PEACE TO ALL CATHERINE
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:36 AM
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We do need a serious change. But first we must realize the problem is with both the Dem. and Rep.
The sole problem is not because a "white man" is in office. Everyone is represented in Congress..blacks, gays, other minorities, women and whites.

"The bottom line is that Washington has a serious spending addiction. While both parties debate how to raise the revenue, both parties seem happy to spend more than $3 trillion of your money in various ways."

"The Democrats' budget gives the president all the funding he needs for his foreign policy, so one wonders how serious they ever were about ending the war. While Democrats propose to tax and spend, many Republicans aim to borrow and spend, which hurts the taxpayer just as much in the long run."

"While some in Washington criticize the war in Iraq, very few are criticizing the interventionist mindset that got us into the war in the first place. Many so-called "Iraq war critics" criticize this administration rather than truly oppose the decades-old policies that led to war. They claim they will eventually get the troops out of Iraq, but the danger is that they simply plan to move them around to other countries, not bring them home. The American people want peace. Minding our own business is the best way to achieve it. Not only is it also a whole lot cheaper, but free trade and friendship with other countries benefits all involved."

Quotes are from Ron Paul
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:54 AM
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we brought democracy to iraq and soon will be bringing it to Iran. don't you like living in a democracy?
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:09 AM
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we brought democracy to iraq and soon will be bringing it to Iran. don't you like living in a democracy?
Although I'm quite sure there are others, I have always wondered what planet you claim as home.

The United States is not, and never has been, a democracy. It is a Republic.

Bush saw Iraq as a "benevolent hegemony". What Iraq has is utter chaos, not democracy.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:29 PM
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FINALLY IF i HAD MY WAY I WOULD VOTE FOR A BLACK AMERICAN GAY WOMEN THEREFORE WE WOULD BRING ALL PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND AND NOT GIVEN A CHANCE TO SERVE , ITS 2008 AND ITS ABOUT TIME A BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN OR MAN OR A WHITE WOMEN SERVE OUR COUNTRY...
You're kidding right? Don't you even care about their platform?

This is what's wrong with some people's mind-set. You don't vote for someone because of their race, gender or sexual preference. You vote for them because you agree with what they stand for and what they say they can do to improve this country.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:04 PM
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i agree, you do not vote, for people because of race, or if they or a woman or man,
but on there beliefs,

Clinton is the reason for the gas, he is the one who signed for the oil companies to set the prices, before the goverenment did.

The war, it is a hard thing to deal with and people getting killed, but there is really no solution, if we bring all the soliders back, does that mean eventually would we be fighting in the USA soil, instead of iraq.

The last person in the world i want is person who cannot salute our flag in our office. IF you are president, you should be proud to be american.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:29 PM
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i agree, you do not vote, for people because of race, or if they or a woman or man,
but on there beliefs,

Clinton is the reason for the gas, he is the one who signed for the oil companies to set the prices, before the goverenment did.

The war, it is a hard thing to deal with and people getting killed, but there is really no solution, if we bring all the soliders back, does that mean eventually would we be fighting in the USA soil, instead of iraq.

The last person in the world i want is person who cannot salute our flag in our office. IF you are president, you should be proud to be american.
I totally agree with your first sentence.

Do you have a site which explains your second statement regarding President Clinton and gas prices? I'm thinking there has been plenty of time for the current administration to change any policies set by previous administrations but perhaps you have other information.

In answer to your third sentence, no, I don't think we will be fighting on USA soil, do you believe we will?

Lastly, who doesn't salute our flag? Careful now, that could be a trick question
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:58 PM
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i agree, you do not vote, for people because of race, or if they or a woman or man,
but on there beliefs,

Clinton is the reason for the gas, he is the one who signed for the oil companies to set the prices, before the goverenment did.

The war, it is a hard thing to deal with and people getting killed, but there is really no solution, if we bring all the soliders back, does that mean eventually would we be fighting in the USA soil, instead of iraq.

The last person in the world i want is person who cannot salute our flag in our office. IF you are president, you should be proud to be american.
Bush gave 23 different reasons before invading Iraq. With the exception of "he tried to kill my daddy!" (which is a debatable) not one of the reasons given turned out to be true. We were told that Saddam had great stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. Furthermore,Bush insisted that he had reconstituted his nuclear nuclear program. None of these allegations are true.

These are the things that will happen when we pull out of Iraq. Iraq will not turn into a haven for terrorists, especially not AQI. The people of Iraq are not about to embrace that idealogy. These foreign fighters who are responsible for about 5% of the violence in that country will either go home or to Afghanistan. They have neither the ways nor means to come to America. They may in the future, but they do not have the means to do so now.

Iraq is now a series of feudal states. If it is to unite as a country, the only way I see that happening is with the rising of another strong man who will rule the country quite like Saddam did. It will certainly be aligned with Iran, the only other majority Shia country.

There is no way to stop this from happening. Our presence in Iraq foments only death and destruction. 70% of the Iraqi people want us to go right now.

The oil companies have always set their own prices. Clinton did release oil from the strategic reserve during his presidency which did have the effect of lowering prices but you are sadly mistaken in your very first statement.

You can safely vote for Obama as he can and does salute the flag: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Who Is Barack Obama?
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Old 03-18-2008, 04:43 PM
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I will not vote for obama,
Plus my friends that are in the military will not be either, More military is actually republician.
I cannot safely vote for him due to all he believes, how can he listen to a preacher all that time saying f__ the united states and bad mouth white people, i listen to those clips. As a christian i will vote for the less evil of the 2 people, which i feel will not be obama.

You may make statements on the iraq, but are you in the military and served over there,
i think i will listen to people who have served our country, we are doing good things over there, despite the bad publicity. IT seems like everyone wants to make statements, but they have never served or truly knows whats going on.

That would be great to bring the soliders home, but it's not going to solve our problems.
I will do the best thing, and it is pray, pray for whatever leader that comes to be our leader, pray he makes the right choices for our country.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:05 PM
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I will not vote for obama,
Plus my friends that are in the military will not be either, More military is actually republician.
I cannot safely vote for him due to all he believes, how can he listen to a preacher all that time saying f__ the united states and bad mouth white people, i listen to those clips. As a christian i will vote for the less evil of the 2 people, which i feel will not be obama.

You may make statements on the iraq, but are you in the military and served over there,
i think i will listen to people who have served our country, we are doing good things over there, despite the bad publicity. IT seems like everyone wants to make statements, but they have never served or truly knows whats going on.

That would be great to bring the soliders home, but it's not going to solve our problems.
I will do the best thing, and it is pray, pray for whatever leader that comes to be our leader, pray he makes the right choices for our country.
I don't think any person will deny that there has been some good things done in Iraq....but to me, it's kind of like going in to the Emergency Room because you think you're having a heart attack, only to find out that you have non-operable, metastic (sp) lung cancer. Yeah, it's great that you aren't having a heart attack--but it's really rotten that you're going to die from lung cancer. It's great that the military has done some really good things, but at what cost?
I will not discuss politics w/ my military friends--I feel it puts them in a position of having to defend their livelihood (military service). The average military person did not have any say in this war--they enlisted for a job, were assigned a job, and do that job to the best of their ability.

And whether you realize it or not, you've already made up your mind on who you're voting for! Read your posts 1) you state unequivocally that you will not vote for Obama, 2) You'll pray for the leader and that HE makes the right decisions. Those two statements just show me that you've shut your mind to the possibility of anyone but a conservative aka Republican.
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:57 PM
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I will not vote for obama,
Plus my friends that are in the military will not be either, More military is actually republician.
I cannot safely vote for him due to all he believes, how can he listen to a preacher all that time saying f__ the united states and bad mouth white people, i listen to those clips. As a christian i will vote for the less evil of the 2 people, which i feel will not be obama.

You may make statements on the iraq, but are you in the military and served over there,
i think i will listen to people who have served our country, we are doing good things over there, despite the bad publicity. IT seems like everyone wants to make statements, but they have never served or truly knows whats going on.

That would be great to bring the soliders home, but it's not going to solve our problems.
I will do the best thing, and it is pray, pray for whatever leader that comes to be our leader, pray he makes the right choices for our country.

How do you explain the fact that the majority of military donations have gone to two anti-war candidates, Ron Paul and Barrack Obama?

How do you as a Christian reconcile the million dead Iraqis our little adventure in their country has caused with your faith? How does torture fit into your beliefs?
 

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