Here's an interesting email I just received about John McCain.

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Lets see, I am not really a McCain fan...but there are a few things from your post that I have found out I agree with hime on


1. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3 (But he shouldnt say he opposes it if he vote against banning it)

2. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4 Agree with that 100%, people get more upset about a dead dog than they do a dead baby

McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9 I dont not care for Rod Parsely at all....but I do agree IMHO Islam is a false religion...yes I said it..and it certainly isnt a peaceful one Dont really care for Hagee, but I do believe God allows things to happen to maybe open people eyes...But in saying that ALL BAD and EVIL things come from the Devil. I dont believe with the Catholic Church..it isnt for me but I cant say it is 'the antichrist".

4. Enviormental issues DONT concern me at all...

5. ANd his temper doesnt concern me...I have seen Bill throw some fits and Howard Dean seems to have some issues concerning his temper. And poor Al has looked like he was going to blow a gasket before!!!!

I do have alot of issues with John McCain but I would vote for him before I would Hillary or Osama oh I mean Obama!!LOLOL Sherri

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anyone have a non-bigoted response? I ask that with all seriousness.

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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

I dont know a whole lot about McCain. I do know that his whole family is/was Military oriented. So that is what he is all about. That his "hundred year war" makes him IMO a warmonger.

I agree. I have to say that w/ all he's been through in regards to war, I'm still surprised that he sees nothing wrong w/ continuing this one.

I think his association w/ Parsley and Hagee is digusting.

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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

I'm surprised McCain was offended by being called a warmonger. Given his enthusiastic support of the war and his fondness for allowing torture, I would have thought he'd be flattered.

McCain has an undeserved reputation as a maverick. He's a dyed-in-the-wool neocon.

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7

He has always been too reckless and hotheaded. The only reason he got anywhere is because of his family. They could pull enough strings to get him out of most of the trouble.

What other items were on that bill?? Many times there are other items tied to a bill, and it gets voted against more because of those "other" items, kwim?? I don't know what, if anything, was attached to that bill, but, I'm just saying that it might warrant some extra checking into......(note to self )

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Why don't enviromental issues concern you?
You do realize that this is the only Earth we have and if we destroy--we will destroy ourselves?

And hey, I'm not an Obama fan (sorry Jaded!--we're on the same team, just can't agree on who should be team captain!! LOL), but that whole "Osama" thing is just trite and childish. While you may disagree with Barack (and that is certainly your right) to refer to him in a derogatory manner is just stupid (yes, there I said it).

And, you say Muslim is not a true religion--what are your thoughts on other religions that aren't considered "Christian"? (as if I even need to ask!)

How arrogant a people are we that we would think Christianity is the only "real" religion?

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In trying to understand why he voted the way he did, I found this. It somewhat explains his vote (I'm still digging),but, it also says that Senators O'bama and Clinton didn't even vote on the bill, they were out campaigning.


Vote Against Waterboarding Bill Called Consistent - washingtonpost.com

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I found this, too.......

Hot Air Blog Archive The House waterboarding bill requires what?

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That disappoints me. I think this is something they both should have made time for.

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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

There was no need for Obama and Clinton to vote; the bill passed without them and couldn't survive a veto with or without them. I have no doubt that they would have been there if their votes would have mattered.

I have seen two schools of thought among the climate change denialists. The first is that they wholly bought the propaganda put forth by Exxon and those on their payroll (Imhoff et al). The second put forth by some fundamentalist Christian sects is that we are in end times. They interpret "the Lord shall provide" as meaning that He will provide as long as it's needed. (Talk about your self fulfilling prophecies!)

I think that there are more people out there who ascribe to the anti science view than the latter.

Even the Bible says to be good Stewards over the Earth....

Regardless of what school of thought you ascribe to, doesn't it make sense to take care of the things you have been given? It's all about personal responsibility.

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You'll get no argument from me on these points!

Let's hope people don't feel this way come November. EVERY vote counts, I think.

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It's nice to think that, but it's just not true. In many cases, it doesn't matter who I vote for, it's not going to matter in my state.

This year might be different if Obama gets the Democratic nomination. If Hillary gets it, my vote won't mean squat.

More about the temper: "Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you ****." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days."

From the following book: Amazon.com: The Real McCain: Why Conservatives Don't Trust Him and Why Independents Shouldn't: Cliff Schecter: Books

We, as taxpayers, PAY them to be there, whether they think their votes count or not. They're too busy out running each other down to even think about the job they were elected to do. They should have been there.

I'm sure you'll be interested in this article, then.

[TheHill.com - McCain’s missed votes on Iraq trigger Reid rebuke

and this one:

McCain Racks Up Missed Senate Votes

Of course, given the way McCain votes when he shows up, I'm just as happy to have him missing votes.

It doesnt matter what I think of other religions, what matters is what Jesus said...and he said the only way to God was thru his shed blood...I didnt say that..he did...and yes that is what I believe....Sherri

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Obama was not raised Muslim. His father was a Muslim. He had no contact with him after the age of 2. He refers to his mother as a "secular humanist." He never attended a madrassa.

Islam is a far more peaceful religion than Christianity. The didn't start the Crusades. Look at the Inquisition or the Salem Witch trials. The genocide of Native Americans was done in the name of Jesus. Muslims will defend themselves, however. Blowing themselves up is not unlike the Navy Seal whom Bush awarded the Medal of Honor to yesterday, a man who sacrificed his life to save others.

You are simply not well informed.

Obama stepfather (Lolo Soetoro) was also a Muslim. His stepfather was around for some of his early years when he lived in Indonesia. Obama was 10 when his mother sent him to live with her parents in Hawaii.

I didn't catch the part where they told us his religion, did they say he was a Muslim or a Christian? And, BTW, it's SEAL, not Seal.

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and you heard Jesus say this, WHEN? Where?

Or are you trusting that the Bible (a book written by man and interpreted NUMEROUS times by man) is infallible?

I'm just trying to get a grasp on what source you are drawing your information.
What about the Torah, or the Koran? Those are Holy books as well.
What about the Song of Solomon? Is that included in your Bible or not?
What about the books of the Apocryha?

I don't even have to ask about the Book of Mormon do I?

I believe that the Bible also says "judge not lest ye be judged", and you, my friend, seem very judgmental of anything that fall in line w/ your religion!

Thank God, that even though I was raised in a specific religion, I was never taught that "we" were the only ones that God liked!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Great, great, great post!!!!!!!

Surely I am not understanding what you are saying?????? YOu are comparing a Navy Seal to a Islamic extremist, who blows themselves up just to kill innocent people????? SO everytime the Muslims are killing people and burning buildings and rioting in the streets they are defending themselves??? Are you saying they are always the victims?????

No the Crusades were started by the Roman Catholic church and thousands of christians were killed. Genocide of the Native Americans were done in the Name of Jesus...Never read that in my history books?????


And Osama DID attend muslim schools..."during the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school." That's from his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

Maybe you are simply not well informed???? Sherri

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So, are YOU saying that Catholics aren't Christians? Hmmmm....could you please provide me a list of the "Christian" religions? I need a playbook to follow your posts.

Oh, and just because you did not read it in a History book (RE: Native American Genocide) doesn't it mean it didn't happen. Many Christians came into Indian villages, took the children away, cut the children's hair, gaven them "Christian" names and FORCED them to give up their heritage all in the name of God!

OK--I think the sentence you quoted is open for interpretation. I went to a public school and those that I went to school with were predominately Southern Baptist--thus you could say the school was a Southern Baptist school. On the other hand--a girl I work w/ attended a Private Episcopalian elementary school, but she attended Mass and was raised in the Catholic church. What does that make her? I mean she attended an Episcopalian school.....

Like many people, you are seeing what you want to see. You are interpreting things in a way that best serves your purposes. Try looking at things objectively, try to not let your opinions influence the facts.

I know I'm casting my pearls before swine (so to speak)...but, I'm bored and there's nothing on TV.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

and you heard Jesus say this, WHEN? Where?
No I actually didnt hear Jesus say this but it is clearly in his word....Romans 3:23-"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Romans 6:23-"The wages of sin is death."

Romans 5:8-"God demonstrates His own love for us, in that
while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Romans 10:13-"Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord
shall be saved."

Romans 10:9,10-"That is you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
He is the only way to God Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and
the life; no one comes to the Father, but through
Me'" (John 14:6)



Or are you trusting that the Bible (a book written by man and interpreted NUMEROUS times by man) is infallible?

Absolutely, his wriiten word comes from men who were devinly inspired by the holy spirit to write his word just as he wanted it..But to believe that you have to accept the authority of Christ and not all people believe that...In John 10:35 Christ says, "The Scripture cannot be broken," thereby teaching the absolute accuracy and inviolability of the Old Testament. More specifically still, it possible, in Matt. 5:18, Jesus says, "One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled." A jot is the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet--less than half the size of any other letter, and a tittle is the merest point of a consonant--less than the cross we put on a "t,"--and Christ here declares that the Scripture is absolutely true, down to the smallest letter or point of a letter. So if we accept the authority of Christ we must accept the Divine authority of the entire Old Testament.

So you are saying Why should I believe the Bible because it was written by men....but who wrote the Torah, the Koran,the Apocryha and the Book of Morman???? Were not these books written by man also????? So which is it???? Another way I look at it is that the bible has always been under attack and hated from the day it was translated people have wanted to get rid of it...but it has stayed around..I like a quote for R.A. Torrey......

"This book has always been hated. No sooner was it given to the world than it met the hatred of men, and they tried to stamp it out. Celsus tried it by the brilliancy of his genius, Porphyry by the depth of his philosophy; but they failed, Lucian directed against it the shafts of his ridicule, Diocletian the power of the Roman empire; but they failed. Edicts backed by all the power of the empire were issued that every Bible should be burned, and that everyone who had a Bible should be put to death. For eighteen centuries every engine of destruction that human science, philosophy, wit, reasoning or brutality could bring to bear against a book has been brought to bear against that book to stamp it out of the world, but it has a mightier hold on the world to-day than ever before.

If that were man's book it would have been annihilated and forgotten hundreds of years ago, but because there is in it "the hiding of God's power," though at times all the great men of the world have been against it, and only an obscure remnant for it, still it has fulfilled wonderfully the words of Christ, though not in the sense of the original prophecy, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall not pass away."

The bible does say not to judge...but it says not to judge a person's salvation....I cant say whether someone is a christian or judge whats truly in their heart....But in many places in the bible people action's were judged....So I believe we can judge people by their actions...the bible says we will know people from the fruit they bear....so we must look at their actions and judge them accordingly...Dont you judge people when you decide there are certain people you would rather not hang out with...are you judging their actions??? Just like you are judging me...assuming you know what my beliefs are...you may judge my words but you can never judge whats truly in my heart.

And I in no way believe "we" will be the only ones in heaven......I believe there will be many religions in heaven...but I also believe there are many false religions..my bible tells me so....its says to beware of these religions...Sherri

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NO where did I state that Catholics werent christians????? I said thats who started the crusades....that is simply history.....I know the Native Americans were treated horribly but I had no idea that christians treated the Native Americans like that...and I didnt say it didnt happen I just said I had never read it...I know that the United States Government forced more than 16,000 Cherokee indians from their homelands....but I wouldnt classify the US government as all christians.....

I did find this..... The European colonization of the Americas nearly obliterated the populations and cultures of the Native Americans. From the 16th through the 19th centuries, the population of Native Americans in what became the United States was ravaged by European colonization in the following ways: violence and possible genocide[4] at the hands of European explorers and colonists, epidemic diseases brought from Europe, displacement from their lands, enslavement, internal warfare[5] as well as high rate of intermarriage.[6][7] Most mainstream scholars now believe that, among the various contributing factors, epidemic disease was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the American natives.[8][9][10][11]

The start of the European colonization of the Americas is typically dated to 1492, although there was at least one earlier colonization effort. The first known Europeans to reach the Americas are believed to have been the Vikings ("Norse") during the 11th century, who established several colonies in Greenland and one short-lived settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in the area the Norse called Vinland, present day Newfoundland. Settlements in Greenland.

And yes the Native Americans have been treated horrible by the white race...but you cant just say it was all christians...it was people from many different countries. Not all the white race it christians...yes I did read where some of the early christian settlers tryed to take the Native Americans culture and history from them...I am just trying to say there were many groups of people who mistreated the Native Americans and its sad and horrible and they were all wrong for their actions..christians included...Sherri

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WHAT??? Didn't you watch that ABC special with Randy Puasch (sp)??? A real tear jerker, but, very very enlightening.

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