It didn't look like Hillary had a flag pin on during the debate. Do they hold the woman nominees to a different standard???

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The question was direct to Obama from a lady on video. But I do not know why people do not ask Hillary the same thing.
I see the flag pin as a non-issue..but to some I guess it makes a difference.

An article about the lady that ask the question about the flag pin.

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 04/17/2008 | Obama questioner explains why she finds him annoying

People don't ask Hillary because then she starts whining about sexism and people ganging up on her. I laughed hysterically about Bill saying yesterday that Obama was whining about the debate but the she never complained. What a joke!

To be honest, I haven't really followed this.

Did I understand correctly that he had an opportunity to wear one and chose not to? That either someone tried to give him one and he turned it down, or he went somewhere where such a pin would've traditionally been worn, and he purposely didn't?

That's worth questioning. Why not wear it?

If Hillary did the same, she needs grilled, too.

I'm trying to figure out when a lapel pin became the standard for determining one's love of country and patriotism.

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The way I see it, the flag pin is part of the "dress code". Some view it as a symbol that they like to see on someone, especially the President or a Presidential candidate. It makes up the whole package. I somewhat liken it to when the President or someone "high up" goes to a disaster area. They usually wear "work" clothes, as in rolled up sleeves, not the usual business suit. You just want to see that. Are they really down in the trences working???? No, but, you still want them to look a certain way. I don't think the pin itself is going to make or break any candidate, but, it is, IMO, part of the whole package.

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You want to see politicians wearing a pin made in China as evidence of their patriotism?

I so don't get that.

You don't get a lot and yet you decide no one else here gets things either. Where anything is made wasn't part of this thread. And the made in China thing is old, old, old. We, as Americans, have a ton of things to get rid of if we are really going to adhere to anything patriotic about where something is made. That would be another entirely different thread due to it being an entirely different topic.

Try to get that.

Back to the original topic, I did wonder why it's an issue for Obama to not wear a pin, and yet not an issue for Hillary.

An interesting point for sure.

Oh, someone's cranky today.

Not cranky at all. Simply reading what you wrote about yourself. Finally admitting there is something you don't get. You wrote it:


"You want to see politicians wearing a pin made in China as evidence of their patriotism?

I so don't get that."



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Finally admitting? When did I ever claim to know everything? I'm well aware of what I wrote. Where did I write that I had decided that no one else here gets things? That was the rest of your cranky -- or just plain boitchy -- comment. If you say you're not cranky, I guess that just leaves boitchy.

Oh. So YOU have decided that it's evidence of their patriotism.

*I* think actions speak louder than some little tiny pin or what clothes someone wears, but that's just me. Like just b/c a doctor wears a white jacket, to ME, it doesn't mean that he's a better doctor than one who doesn't. Or simply b/c a woman wears jeans, to ME, it doesn't mean she's any less feminine than a woman who wears a dress. And to ME, a lapel pin doesn't automatically make someone more or less patriotic. I've never understood that people put so much emphasis on symbols instead of actions.

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NO, I think YOU need to go back and read my post. I did not say that I, personally, find the pin to be evidence of patriotism.

As far as the scenarios that you mentioned, I find them a bit silly, don't you??? Would you like a doctor to come in and examine you with ripped and tattered clothes??? Honestly, I think you're just choosing to make whatever assumptions you like.

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The whole "controversy" over wearing flag pins is about as trivial an issue as has ever been created. It does serve to distract attention from the real issues.

So exactly what happened?

Did someone ask him to put it on and he refused, saying, "I refuse to wear the flag!"

If he refused to wear one as a means of sending a message, that begs the question, "What message?" If the message was, "It doesn't match my tie," so be it. If the message is, "Because I am ashamed of my country and therefore refuse to wear any symbol that might indicate otherwise," that's worth talking about.

This started back in Oct of last year.
Here are a couple of links (one-sided..but you at least get an idea)
Just google "Obama and flag pin" lots of sites will come up.

Obama explains not wearing flag pin - First Read - msnbc.com

FOXNews.com - Candidates Have Their Say on Obama's Decision Not to Wear Flag Pin - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum (this includes the video)

Obama did wear the flag pin on Tue. (the day before the last debate). He was giving a speech to veterans and a disable veteran gave it to him. So, he put it on at the speech.
Edited: to add video link Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Apparently it is important to some veterans.

It's another hot button item to distract people from paying attention to important things.

I find them about as silly as worrying about whether or not someone is wearing a flag pin or a suit at a disaster site.

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