Obama is projected to have an almost 30 point win over Clinton in NC. Clinton has a 4 point lead in Indiana.

Does anybody want to see Clinton continue.

It looks like Hillary has won Indiana. I think she will stay in and keep fighting.

Interesting article:

Clinton's Fate Hangs In The Balance, Politico: If She Can Survive Tuesday, Clinton Will Face More Favorable Terrain Going Forward - CBS News

"If Hillary Rodham Clinton wins in either Indiana or North Carolina Tuesday, the primary election terrain suddenly begins to look more favorable to her than at any other point since Super Tuesday Feb. 5.

For the first time since February, she will enter a month-long stretch of states where a variety of factors leave her well-positioned to win or compete in most of them."

She absolutely should stay in. Why does everyone want her to quit. Anything could happen between now and the convention. Go Hillary!and Go Barack! I like them both. I wish they would run together in November.

Unless you use Hillary's "new math" system, there is absolutely NO WAY for her to catch up to Barack. She should concede and let him finally run the Presidential race instead of having to swat her away every other week.

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I was under the impression that never of them have enough points to win the nomination, With that being sad, I think she continue. I personally don't have any connection with Barrack, I don't find him as charming as everyone else does. At least with Clinton, I know what I am getting....I don't feel the same way toward Barrack.

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While I agree that she can't get the numbers, I don't think he can unless she concedes. So, I guess she is hanging on. This should get interesting.

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I have to agree, though I am not really "pushing" for either of them. With him I keep thinking of a suspense or horror movie where the person has everyone convinced he/she is a model citizen and one of them, and then when they least expect it and have their guard down, he rips off his fake face and there stands a martian or something...LOL! Honestly, in reality I keep thinking there's a shoe somewhere waiting for a cue.

I personally think that we have already had Hillary in office and what did we get? A big fat nothin is what we got. Her husband was impeached and any woman that stands by her man when he cheated and then lied to the American public does not deserve to be in office . I also don't think that this country at this point in time is ready for a woman to run the country. I am for any woman but not at this time. Barrak is the better choice at this time.

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Obama a Manchurian candidate? I think he's been totally vetted by now.

I personally don't think Obama should be elected. Anyone who does not believe in our troops or who won't salute our American Flag Should not be our President..I do believe he is putting a good front on,especially when the priest he was so proud to stand beside (for so many years) is now outting all the secrets: hate they believed in...I don't believe this is something new..
As for Hillary I think she is better than him. As for the affair that was a personal matter that should have stayed personal. That did not effect his decides as a president..
How would you like someone telling you what to do in a very personnaly matter?? RIGHT it's know one's business...

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Agree with you about Hillary.

I know that I'm not God. It's not up to me to judge. If I was though, there'd be thunderbolts sticking out of Bus's, Cheney's and other's backs.

I don't see the point of her continuing on. In the past week alone, Barack has picked up 11 superdelegates - 6 of them today! She can't catch up EVEN if she got Florida and Michigan (where she wasn't supposed to be running but reneged on that promise also). There's nothing left for her. at all.

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I think it is great that all states are getting a chance to participate. True Democracy at work.

Clinton never promised not to run in Michigan and Florida. Nope didnt happen. She believes ALL Americans votes should count. After all, the Florida and Michigan voters did not have an option of when their primaries were held.

Now do I believe Obama will be the nominee. Yes I do. But continuing this and showing that this is a true Democracy is very good for the Democratic party. And good for America.

I am really looking forward to the Obama/McCain debates. McCain doesnt have a chance.

You are wrong. She not only promised, she put it in writing:

Three of the major Democratic presidential candidates on Saturday pledged not to campaign in Florida, Michigan and other states trying to leapfrog the 2008 primary calendar, a move that solidified the importance of the opening contests of Iowa and New Hampshire.

Hours after Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina agreed to sign a loyalty pledge put forward by party officials in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York followed suit. The decision seemed to dash any hopes of Mrs. Clinton relying on a strong showing in Florida as a springboard to the nomination.

“We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process,” Patti Solis Doyle, the Clinton campaign manager, said in a statement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/us...cs/02dems.html


True democracy would be that majority wins. Obama has the majority. So yes, these remaining people can vote (and I'm not even talking about Florida and Michigan), but in essence, since she cannot catch up to Obama, their votes aren't really counting. She can't have Florida like it is, b/c his name wasn't on the ballot, so there goes that strategy. She's refused to agree to the Michigan delegate seating plan b/c she still won't catch up.

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She did NOT campaign in either of those states. So she did not go back on her word. And Obama was the one who campaigned in Florida. Some of his ads were shown in Florida.

And Democracy is that everyone gets an opportunity and a say. She has ever right to be in the race as she has not broken any rules.
Sorry it is you who are wrong on this. All this is sooo goood for the country. Not sure why anyone would not want it to play out. I know the media is trying to convince everyone that Clinton has no right to be there. But that is just pure manipulation.

ETA: Clinton Camp Says Obama Breaks Florida-Campaign Pledge | The New York Observer

The primary dates in Florida and Michigan were decided by duly elected representatives of the residents of Florida and Michigan, so it's not true to say that those residents had no option or no say. They had as much say as any of us do in any decision made by our elected officials.

It's parsing her words to say that Clinton never promised not to run. She may not have promised not to run, but she certainly agreed that, running or not, the votes wouldn't count.

It's disputable whether Clinton "campaigned" in Florida or not. She held fund raisers prior to the convention that almost certainly didn't go unnoticed.

As to Obama's ads, he had a regional buy in which it was not possible to exclude Florida. However, he obtained the specific permission of the DNC to run those ads. So if you call that campaigning, it was done with the blessing of the DNC.

I wouldn't mind Clinton campaigning as long as she wants but for the fact that she's continually trashing Obama, the eventual inevitable nominee. She's providing McCain with campaign material and sound bites. She's behaving as though her fondest wish is to so gut Obama that he can't possibly win, leaving the way clear for her to run in 2012.

There is even talk of Clinton running as an Independent..going up against Obama and McCain.
That would be interesting!

I don't know who's talking that, but it's absurd. Hillary's not stupid and that would be stupid beyond belief.

Will she I doubt it..but it is all about "power".

Do a google search " hillary clinton run as an independent"

Will Hillary Clinton Run As An Independent?

"Will Hillary Clinton follow the suit of Theodore Roosevelt who ran as an independent candidate after loosing the nomination of the Republican Party in 1912? According to some members of the former first lady's inner circle, such a possibility is seriously considered. Joe Rohtstein of U.S. Politics Today wrote on April 24 that Clinton as an independent would win among women and Hispanics, defeating Obama in most populous states and endangering McCain in the South. If the Republican candidate performed poorly, she would stand a chance to win the entire national presidential election."

I can find a Google search that supports the notion that George Bush is an alien, but that doesn't make it any less absurd.

Clinton's ambitious, but she's not stupid.

Why would her running as an independent be "stupid or absurd"?

Exhibit 1: Joe Lieberman. If/when the Democrats win a majority in the Senate that doesn't depend upon him caucusing with the Democrats, I think you'll find him under the nearest bus. Ditto for Clnton, who, upon running as an independent would be stripped of every important committee membership she has so fast even her head will spin. She will go from an honored member of the Senate to a pariah.

Exhibit 2: Clinton's bank account, currently bouncing checks faster than she can write them.

Exhibit 3: Bill Clinton, who's smart enough to know when enough is enough when it comes to trashing his own reputation, which is currently in serious tatters.

Exhibit 4: The NY Democratic Party, which would throw someone up against her in 2012 election, thereby sealing her fate as a nobody.

I would think one reason it would be considered "stupid" is because it could split the Dem party.
Maybe that is why Obama is willing to consider paying off Clinton campaign debt with some of his own campaign funds.

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I disagree that it will split the party because I think the party will unite to throw her under the bus.

I doubt Obama will use his actual funds to pay off her debt -- his own supporters would be livid. He might help her raise funds, but that's altogether different.

I have a hard time feeling sorry from someone who has the kind of money to lend themselves 11.4 million.

The thing is, at some point Senator Clinton is going to have to meet him part way if she has any hope of getting his help in paying off her campaign debts. The way I feel now (as a very small time contributor to his campaign) if I knew any of my money might go to help her I wouldn't contribute another penny. The longer she continues campaigning with her present strategy of "white blue collar voters will never vote for him" the more harm she is doing to the party. I loved the exchange between Donna Brazile and Paul Begala on the "egghead and African American" appeal of Senator Obama.

YouTube - Donna Brazile Angry After Paul Begala's Stereotypes Comments

IMO, if she ran as a 3rd party candidate she'd get her core support of "women of a certain age" and that's about it.

I thought this comparison was very apt: Clinton is Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense. She hasn't realized yet that she's dead.

I would think Clinton haters would gladly give a few $$ to get her out of the way.


As to the her changing parties, that would not be a good idea.

I don't "hate" her but I've lost all respect for her and think she's harmed the party. Senator Obama participating in fund raisers to help retire her debt is fine but the piddlying amount I send is meant for his campaign.

On another note I really wouldn't mind her continuing to campaign if she wasn't so determined to be divisive or just plain politically inept. As an example, the gas tax holiday she proposed a few days before the NC/Indiana primaries did IMO far more damage then good for her. People are not stupid and they recognize "pandering" when they hear it.

The gas tax holiday was an idea from Ron Paul. He sponsored a bill LAST year that offered this as small part of his bill.
Government Responsible for High Gas Prices

"One" of the reasons that Obama is so against the gas tax holiday is that he "might" need to increase the federal tax on gasoline to help pay for his Global Poverty Act bill, if it is passed. Estimates from experts ..say "one" of the ways to come up with the funds is a tax preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels. Resulting in a .35 to $1.00 federal tax on gas. Even if he just puts a tax/fee on companies that will get passed unto the customers.

No, one of the reasons Obama is against the gas tax holiday is that it's an economically stupid, feel-good proposal that will ultimately cost consumers more money, will have adverse effects on the country's infrastructure and will simply not work.

I'm not one bit surprised to hear you say it's one of Ron Paul's ideas.

You really need to do some serious research on the Global Poverty Act bill if you're under the impression that that is bill that Obama is pushing by himself.

The gas holiday idea was only a small part..the rest of the bill of Ron Paul's included ways to make it economical.
Ron Paul's bill I was talking about Introduced May 21, 2007 (LAST year)
H.R. 2415: Affordable Gas Price Act (GovTrack.us)

Yes, I have researched the Global Poverty Act bill..one of the reasons I will NEVER vote for Obama. Trying to enforce UN rules..by making the US citizens bear more burdens.

If Obama loses every Ron Paul supporter out there, I think he'll be just fine.

He never had them in the first place.
Long time before Nov and the economy is getting worst all the time.

The reasons that the gas tax "holiday" is a stupid idea is that it will save the average driver a total of $25 to $30 for those 3 months, that is if the oil companies actually lower the cost accordingly. It will cost 300,000 Americans who work on highways their jobs. Moreover, it would increase demand making the price rise faster.

Gas is rising because of increased demand primarily from China and India. The dollar has regained a little of its value, yet the price of oil continues to rise.

We need to reduce demand.

On the flip-side: If you reduce demand..then the amount of the federal tax dollars that come from the sale of gas..will also go down. Maybe even American job loss.
The only way if demand goes down and you want to get the same revenue coming in you have to raise tax/fee. Or find somewhere else to get the money to make up the difference.

It's a conundrum alright. We actually need mass transit.

I didn't realize that you spoke for all the Ron Paul supporters. Who will they turn to in November?

Ron Paul said that he would not be endorsing McCain. He also said that he liked Obama's foreign policy.