I just read this online and it's on all the newspaper sites. Thus the reason for the seizure over the weekend.

Sen. Edward Kennedy has malignant brain tumor

US Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the veteran lawmaker from Massachusetts who is the last surviving brother in the legendary Kennedy family, has been diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor, his doctors said today.

Very sad news. this is the kind of cancer that killed my mom.

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Very sad news. My thoughts and prayers will be with his family. I know taking care of his health has to be a top priority, but I sure hope he will remain a senator. He is probably the most powerful senators in our history.

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That is what my dad had too. Very aggressive. Yet another Kennedy family tragedy.

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I don't think a 76 year old man with cancer should be categorized as a tragedy.

Sorry, as a friend of the Kopechne family, its hard to feel sorry for this teflon guy when young innocent people die every day.
I dont wish any one to die, I just dont feel all that bad about this one

That's what I always think of when I think of Ted Kennedy. His negligence in that accident. That and he is one of the most liberal senators and a Catholic. You can't be a good Catholic and be liberal. For a Kennedy man he's lived a pretty long life. Hopefully he gets right with God before he passes.

That's how I feel, too. While I am sorry he has a brain tumor, I had lost all respect for him over the Chappaquiddick incident:



"The low point was 1969, when Kennedy drove a car off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island on Martha's Vineyard. The accident killed aide Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy at the time was married to his first wife, Joan, whom he later divorced. The tragedy may well have cost him the presidency."

I don't see how you can be conservative and be a good Catholic . . . I doubt Sen. Kennedy has any problem with God at all.

And I don't think that God has a problem with him either.

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WHAT!

What a ridiculous statement.

I'm sorry he has what looks to be a fatal tumor. But I'm already tired of the eulogies all over the news and CNN. Can't they wait till the man passes away?

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Wow. for a second here, I thought I had stumbled back onto the politics board.

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But saying you can't be a liberal and a good Catholic makes good sense to you?

Maybe if Jesus walked the earth today he wouldn't be a Catholic, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been a conservative, either.

If you are truly Catholic and follow the guidelines of the Catholic Church you cannot vote pro-choice and Kennedy certainly has. If he doesn't want to be a good Catholic then he should be a Protestant, Pretty simple logic.

OT, but, ah, what the heck, this one has already derailed..... My BFF was brought up Catholic and always had a problem with the teachings of it (no birth control, view on abortion, etc) so she changed religions when she got older. Kathy,I understood your comment to mean that Senator Kennedy is liberal (believes in abortion, gay marriage, etc) all of which is against the Catholic religion. Made perfect sense to me, just not sure this is the board for that ......perhaps the Election Board?

ETA: I'm glad they found out what caused the seizure, just sorry that it is a brain tumor. I, too, am sick of the eulogies already.

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Seems to me the only person qualified to be judging Senator Kennedy should be God. That is not for mere men to do.

Also, I don't think it is incorrect for anyone to have questions or differences of opinions on a religions' teachings. You can still honor an organized groups concept without accepting without question every edict that goes along with that belief.

In any case, I respect the Kennedy family and all their many contributions to the entire world over time. I will keep the man and the family in my thoughts and prayers.

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What the hell...I will bite. I am a cradle Catholic from a long line of Catholics and I have never recieved my booklet that outlined what I should be voting/supporting for. I am just about sure that Sen Kennedy didn't either. If you got one, could you please forward a copy to the rest of the Catholics who will be amazed to learn that if they do believe in choice, they should not check that little box next to Catholic but instead should be putting their rosaries down because they are truly Protestant.

Do you really think that the Pope tells us how to vote? Please link where that is.

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I'm thinking He might. I don't think God would look favorably on someone who has been such a staunch proponent of the abortion rights movement (and has the nerve to call himself Catholic all the while!). I just don't see it. I'm not saying He would agree with all the stands of the Conservative thinking either, but I would think promoting the right to kill His unborn children wouldn't sit well with Him.

I guess that I won't presume to know what God thinks about anything except what I am doing with my life. I can't really speak for God when it comes to judging someones heart.

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The whole "Thou shalt not Kill" pretty much summed it up for me.

If that doesn't clear it up, The Bible is another good source.

This one might need a thread all of its own.

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Man, my son fires a gun every day in Iraq.....lots of people's sons, daughters, husbands fire guns and actually kill people every day in Iraq and Afghanistan. If we are to be against "killing" (note I didn't say choice) then the logical conclusion to that argument is no killing at any time. Not just when it is convenient...which would mean no Capital Punishment, no war. Government sanctioned killing is still killing.

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We've lost over 46 MILLION babies by choice since 1/73. Senator Kennedy has a responsibilty for his part in this. Sometimes war is necessary to root out evil-like Hitler for example. You really can't compare the two. It's naive to think that you can just say "no killing period". However, killing the most innocent and vulnerable of a society leads to the unraviling of said society. I heard someone say tonight that maybe God has given him this tumor so he has time to reflect on his life and cleanse his soul because he didn't get taken instantly like his brothers. That was an interesting statement.

Very sad when this happens to anyone. Sen Kennedy has worked tirelessly for years for poor and downtrodden people fighting for worker's rights, civil rights, and equality for all.

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So when religious conservatives die from cancer what do you blame it on? I usually don't insult people but you have uttered some of the most ignorant words I have ever read on the Internet and that is saying a lot.
I am sure you are a nice and smart person but a statement like this makes you sound like an idiot. I am curious though so God smites Sen Kennedy with brain cancer for voting prochoice how do you explain the cancerous deaths of those who vote "pro God" or to word it differently those who agree with you in all your righteous glory?

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Go to Father Pavones website-Priests for Life. I believe there are voting guidelines on there. And I believe Father Corapi has some to. If you want to PM me I can link them for you. And there ARE voting pamphelts (sp). I just picked one up at my church two weeks ago for my sister. Catholics are NOT supposed to vote for pro choice candidates. If both candidates are pro-choice you are obligated to vote for the lesser of the two evils. This is church teaching. Don't put your rosary down-just research the doctrine and you will find all the answers. And the Pope does issue statements on this very topic.

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't find a post where someone said God gave him cancer. Maybe it was misinterpreted from my post? I don't think God is "smiting" him. But He is allowing this to happen and maybe it will give him time to repent. It is not judgmental if a person states they believe someone is not in good standing with the church. Pro choice Catholics, especially those with "power", that make their voices on this subject known are going against the basic tenats of the faith. That is sinful. It doesn't mean we can judge where they will end up but we can state their positions are sinful and that they are sinning if they continue on that path. I hope that clears things up.

Abortion is a very hot topic here as it is worldwide. I do not believe that Senator Kennedy personally believes in or necessarily sanctions abortion. What he has always supported is a woman's right to make that choice/decision. There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in this country, handed down when the Constitution was written. And the Constitution was written by and large by people who came to this country seeking religious freedom, so they were believers.

What is sin to you, is not sin to all. What is your bible is not the bible or good book of all.

In my opinion and reading of your words, although you claim not to be, you are being very judgemental. I wonder how God, the only true being who is capable of unfettered judgement and totally righteous in all things, would feel about others who claim to know his heart, mind and soul better than those of different faiths and beliefs who view things totally differently but still hold strong to whatever their religious beliefs are -still looking to God, who they know, but by another name..

Also in one post you state that you" find it interesting" to read the statement that God gave the Senator cancer to give him time to reflect and cleanse his soul, yet in a later post you state that you don't believe that God was smiting him. Those are very contradictory statements.

I will say that I know in my heart and soul that only God knows the true heart and faith of each man--something you cannot, which is why only He can sit in judgement of any man ever.

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If you are truly Catholic and follow the guidelines of the Catholic Church, you can't support the war either, but plenty of Catholics I know do. I guess they should also be Protestants, huh?

You say interesting, I say warped.

The heck it's not. It's you judging what God think of the person.

You know, I dont believe/agree with most of his core values. I dont like him for the Chappaquadik thing, as I stated above. I dont think its up to me to judge him. When I vote, I vote according to my personal values (which is what I think we should all do).
I also wouldt not claim to make any assumptions for God, because you might be surprised to find the Bible teaches forgiveness that whole eye for an eye thing was Old Testament, JC taught forgiveness.
I dont feel bad that he has this tumor, but I would not even stretch to even make a thought as to what his judgement with his maker might be. Thats between him and his God.
He was a senator so long,, that one news station believes he has had a say in every piece of major legislation that has happened for the past 40 years. Hoping its the good stuff.

I hate this type of smallness. The Kennedy family may not be lily white, but I will bet my last dollar that the Kennedy family has sacrificed a lot more for our country and for the cause of freedom than the self-righteousness people who are expressing their particular brand of judgemental Christianity here.

During WWII, the Kennedy family lost a son and a daughter in combat. JFK was also critically wounded during the war and valiantly saved the men of PT 109. He suffered from his war wounds the rest of his life. The Kennedy family later suffered through the assassination of JFK followed just five short years by the assasination of RFK.

Following JFK's assassination, Ted Kennedy and RFK became very close. RFK's assassination devasted Ted Kennedy and he went into an emotional tail spin for sometime afterwards. While I don't condone what happened on Chappaquiddick, I do feel empathy for Senator Kennedy. The event occurred just 13 or 14 months after RFK's assassination and contrary to the tone of the posts on a pp, it was an accident.

I don't think that it is the best example of "WWJD" to practically rub your hands with glee at the probable demise of a man who has a family and many people who love and respect him. It is bad form and says a great deal more about you than about him.

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This is why I don't do religion. Root of all evils.

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No where did I blame Kennedy's abortion stand on his getting cancer. I didn't tie the two together at all.
I was just replying to a poster who said God wouldn't have a problem with Kennedy. I choose to disagree with that point of view. I do believe God would be against promoting the right to abortion. I didn't say He would give a brain tumor because of it. The God I believe in wouldn't do something like that.

While I don't believe it's a tragedy that any 76 year old man has cancer, I do believe it's sad for him and his family. Whatever he espouses, I'm sorry ANYONE has to go through this horrible dissease.

Hopefully that was a little less ignorant for you.

And for the record to answer another poster, I am against government sanctioned killing in any form.

Kennedy released from hospital, heads to Cape Cod - Yahoo! News

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Separation of church and state is not in our Constitution, contrary to popular belief. Say something enough, and ppl start to believe it.

The first amendment reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Jefferson said in a letter explaining the first amendment:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

It has become quite popular among conservatives to argue that it doesn't mean what it says though which proves your point of "saying something enough and some people will start to believe it."

Although what you say is true, the United States was not founded as a Christian nation. It's one of the things that remained contentious for the founders keeping the constitution from being ratified until 1790.

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Exactly. There's not much room for argument here: the Catholic Church is not liberal so how can you be a liberal and say you're Catholic? As someone else said, if you don't adhere to what the Catholic Church teaches, why not choose another religion that fits your personal beliefs better?

I was raised a Catholic, but as an adult could not accept a lot of Catholic doctrine so I left the Catholic church and my family belongs to a Christian, fundamentalist church aligned with Assembly of God churches.

Yes -- like there being WMDs in Iraq, for example.

The separation is very clearly in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

Says who? Jesus's teachings were nothing if not liberal.

I suppose you might make a argument that the Church doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus, but I can't imagine doing that.

I don't understand your argument at all.

Are you trying to say that "the Church doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus" because Jesus was "liberal" so He would, therefore, be fine today with abortion, gay marriage, etc. while the Catholic church opposes these things?

Wow.

I don't know what to say other than.... "Jeanief, you complete me!"

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If Senator Kennedy was struck down instantly there's no time to repent. In having a terminal illness he has the time to reflect on his life and possibly repent for sins. That doesn't mean anyone wants him to get a terminal illness. Hope this helps.
I like the poster who wrote that if you don't agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church find another church. Yep.

The Catholic Church opposes birth control with the exception of the "rhythm" method. Yet most Catholics in America practice birth control through the use of the pill or condoms. There are a great many contradictions in the Bible. We need to be realistic about further increasing our population.

As far as Kennedy goes, I don't know that he has much to repent from. How do you repent for an accident? He's done an awful lot of good.

Yep, it's a sin to use contraception if you are a Catholic. NFP is a very good form of birth control if used properly. I used it to get pregnant and it worked like a charm.
The Senator is not in line with the Catholic Church and if he wants to be a good Catholic he needs to go to Confession. I'm not being judgmental. It is the doctrine of the church.

And yet, 68% of Catholics vote Democrat.

Good for you to follow your belief system and led you to the As. of God church. I would never tell you that you are wrong no matter what I really think. I certainly wish you would do the same. It is presumptuous of you to tell someone that they cannot believe in a religion due to what your interpretation is of the Church is. Choice is a personal matter and only the Lord knows what is in my heart. Not you. Ever.

The word "Choice" is exactly that.....the ability to choose what I want to do with my body...to have a child or to have an abortion or to adopt that child out. Choices. I cannot walk in someone elses shoes and therefore unless I am willing to do so, I cannot pretend to know what is in her heart and what is between her and her maker. For you to say that if someone is a Liberal they cannot be Catholic is ignorant at best and rude to be sure as well as false.

But once again, this is my opinion and every time I get into one of these debates with so called "Christians", I know exactly why someone would not want to be interested in "Christianity" That whole thing about WWJD can be lost in being self righteous.

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And you know he hasn't been to confession because of......??????? Is it on his Myspace?

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I agree with you, thank you for all your posts on this subject.

Accident? That's what it's being called now? That 'accident' was covered up. Strange how Kennedy managed to get out of the car, leaving the poor girl to drown and then not report it till morning? Perhaps a chance for his alcohol level to decrease? Perhaps to get rid of her for some reason (which she took to her watery death). There seems to be Kennedy scandal on all the Kennedy men. Always has been. Plus his drinking and womanizing (which I know lots of people do it). And as others have said, his stance on abortion. Just like everyone, Kennedy does have a lot to repent from. God has given him a chance to make things right, unlike his two brothers who were taken instantly. I hope he will. Sometimes things have to happen in your life to get your attention.

As far as killing -- killing in war is different than murdering innocent unborn babies and killing people who are on death row. People on death row are there because of what they've done. They had no mercy on their victims. They shouldn't deserve mercy either (at least in this life). Killing in war is a necessity -- kill or be killed.

As far as Kennedy, I've never liked the man but I would never wish cancer or any type of illness on anyone. I hope he can live out his remaining time in comfort with the love of his family and friends.

And BTW, I posted this thread on the Cafe Board and I guess the mods moved it to the Election Board. Don't know why because Kennedy isn't running for President.

I think Jesus would be more than fine with gay marriage because Jesus is about love, not hate. Abortion was actually pretty common in Jesus' time, but I don't know of any place where he condemns it. Does he? I definitely think that Jesus' philosophy of life -- as expressed in his teachings, not as filtered through the Catholic Church or any other church -- are far closer to the liberal philosophy than the conservative philosophy. For example, the Golden Rule is closer to liberal views than conservative ones, IMO.

Yes, accident. Just like the accident where Laura Bush killed someone and skated.

Wow! Just Wow!

How many people killed on death row were innocent? Do you know? Nope, neither do I. How many murderers on death row have repented of their crimes? Gone to confession done their pennance?

Yes, killing in war is necessary--but, is war necessary? How many wars have been fought in the name of religion? Does that make the killing any better?

Killing is killing is killing--you can compartmentalize all you want, but when it comes down to it it's still taking a life. Whether the life has yet to be born or is 108--it's still classified as taking a life. You can't pick and choose in the end--you really can't!

I'm pro-choice, anti-war (but strongly supportive of our military) understanding collateral damages and all, and on the fence about sentencing a person to die for their crimes (it doesn't seem to have stopped the crimes from happening...).
In life there are very few areas of black and white--it's mostly shades of gray. You have to decide what shades of gray you are comfortable with and can accept.

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This verse shows that God had a plan for each child even before they were born:
Psalm 139:13-16: (13) For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.14) I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. (15) My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, (16) your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

And I didn't realize you and Jesus were so close as to know exactly what you think He'd be 'fine' with. And since when does the Golden Rule have any relevance to liberal and conservative views? Maybe you should think along the lines of the Ten Commandments instead. But even following those won't get you into heaven. Jesus Christ is the only way.

And yet it doesn't seem like the Bible minds the wholesale slaughter children.

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12 dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up

Taking these verses out of context....... what did you do -- google passages that had 'children' and 'kill' in them?

I can't speak for kvmj but I did google the Psalm you quoted and along with all the anti-choice sites who use that passage as an argument aganst abortion, I found this site which addresses your claim that the bible is clearly against abortion and says in part:

It is time to stop the one-sided view of abortion being proclaimed by Christian leaders. These leaders do not -- despite their claims -- have a biblical mandate for their theologies. It is time to stop preaching that the Bible contain an undeniable doctrine against abortion. It is time to stop the anger and hatred being heaped on abortion doctors and upon women who have abortions, especially when it's done in the name of a God who has not written such condemnations in his Bible. It is time to stop, because the act of making a judgment against people in God's name, when God is not behind the judging, is nothing short of claiming that our own beliefs are more important than God's. We must stop, because if we don't, then indeed the very type of theological argument being used against abortion can be turned around and used to proclaim that abortion is biblical.


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As another poster so aptly put it, choice is between a woman and her God. Leave the judgement of her and her decision to Him.

I'm sure this thread will be getting locked any second now, so I just wanted to add this......good Catholic, bad Catholic, should he really be a Protestant?? Who knows!! My take on religion in general is that it is open to interpretation, just like law. One person can read a law say "yup, it means this....." another can read it and say "oh, no, it means THIS". It's all open to interpretation.

Interesting story: I was recently speaking with a friend of mine who has recently stopped going to a Christian church and started going to a Jewish synagogue.... WATCH OUT, the Earth is going to stop spinning ....at least according to another friend of ours. Each religion has its own set of beliefs and interpretations. That, IMO, is what religious freedom is all about, being free to believe what you want. None of us were actually there when God did or didn't create the Heavens, and everything else the Bible says. There are also people who do not even believe there is a God. So be it. Personally, I choose to live what I think is a good life, and be a good person. I don't need ANYONE telling me how to be a good person.

I don't understand how someone can say they are a certain religion, and then do things that are not condoned in that religion.

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I guess it is like people who say they are Christians and then do everything they can to not be Christlike. No one is perfect and I hope that those of us who choose to believe take our own experiences into consideration in our interpretation as to what is expected of us. I have a brain and the freedom to call myself whatever I want and believe what I believe. It is what I expect of the rest of the Christians. And to have someone who professes to be a Christian, tell another Christian, that she isn't one smacks of arrogance and judgement.

The Christianity that I want to espouse to is most closely aligned with being Catholic. I feel at home being a Catholic and it is where my heart is. I don't owe anyone any explanation as to why I remain Catholic and I think that unless you are a Catholic, can you understand what it truly means to be a Catholic. I would not say to someone who is Jewish, that unless they kept kosher, they weren't truly Jewish. It isn't my place. Nor anyone elses.

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Where does that say that every baby would be born? How do you know that the plan was not for the child to be aborted?

I am. So sorry you're not. How is me thinking I know what Jesus would do any different from you thinking you know? Or do you not know what Jesus wants?

The Golden Rule pretty much is the essence of liberal philosophy.

How thoughtful of you to spend your time advising me, but I think I'm just fine with God and Jesus. I'm not at all worried. Take care of yourself on that one.

Because as far as I know he is still an advocate of pro-choice laws, etc.. I didn't make the rules of the Catholic Church folks, I just know them. If he is a public figure, representing us AND claiming to be Catholic he ought to follow the rules of the Catholic Church. It's pretty simple. No need for calling people self-righteous, judgmental, etc... It is what it is. Same thing if you are a strict Orthodox Jew and don't eat Kosher, etc... That would be obvious you aren't following the rules of your Church.
Someone else posted a figure about the high percentage of Catholics who vote Democratic. Just because they are doing that doesn't mean they are RIGHT or that they are following the rules of the Catholic Church.
It is true that everything is between you and God. However, as in Mr. Kennedys case, if you are a high profile public figure and you proclaim to follow the Catholic Church you ought to follow it. Seems pretty straight forward and logical to me!

Jesus is about love. BUT that does not mean license to do whatever you want. That's what's wrong with society today. It's a "me" world. Jesus gave rules to follow. he didn't say free love for everyone. I thought that was a 60's idea!! I remember it well. He forgave sins but remember the part about
"go and sin no more"? He wants up to repent and change our ways to follow him. Ever hear of chastity? It's a virtue.

Sorry, you would be the last and I mean last person I would ask about the Catholic church teachings and the key words in your post we all need to pay attention to is and I quote ".....as far as I know....."

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We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

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Momwithtwins---you rock!!!!! It's really hard trying to explain all of this!!!
I remember the whole Ted Kennedy scandal with Mary Jo when it happened. It was horrible. A total coverup by the Kennedy family. I don't think there's any question about that. Yes, he's served our country for a long time but he does have some pretty major skeletons in the closest. NOT judging him, not wishing him harm. It's just the way it is.

I tell you what USAmom you find me some documentation that he has changed to pro life and I will eat my words!!!
Please, find a good priest and ask him about the Catholic Church if you don't want to believe me. Or purchase Catholicism for Dummies or the Cathechism of the Catholic Church. (I might have spelled that wrong, forgive me). Please research the Catholic Church!!! We welcome you!!!!

No, a high profile political figure is elected to represent the people (of all religious persuasions) who voted him into office. He is not to legislate based on the beliefs of the church he attends.

His Catholic belief should come FIRST in his life and everything else follows AFTER that.

No, I tell you what. You prove that he has not gone to confession to confess what you surely feel is going to keep him from going to heaven. You prove to me that he is not a Catholic. You prove to me where the Pope has said: If you do not believe every one of the doctrines of the church then you cannot call yourself a Catholic. I didn't say these things, you did. I already know that the my church is about inclusion not exclusion as I see it. Perhaps your brand of Christianity is not...sounds like it is exclusionary....from what I gather from the postings...it excludes liberals, Democrats, gay people, people who might want to believe in choice. Is that correct?

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GO NAVY WRESTLING!!BEAT ARMY!!!
RJB 3/18/60 - 5/22/04
We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

http://mylifeundertheabaya.blogspot.com/

You hit the nail on the head!!!!!

Well, that would be everyone by definition...as no one is perfect. We all have sinned and come short of the glory. Yes, even you Kathy have not done everything that your church says to do. How do I know? I can read.

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GO NAVY WRESTLING!!BEAT ARMY!!!
RJB 3/18/60 - 5/22/04
We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

http://mylifeundertheabaya.blogspot.com/

My, my we are snotty!! Of course I'm a sinner!!!!!! Never, ever said I wasn't!