I no sooner got my reply all typed out, and hit the post button, and BAM, the thread was locked.....WTH???? If the heat is too hot in the kitchen, GET OUT!!!! Now, here is my reply to the "just curious" thread:


I see you've been reading my sig. line Thank you for having the balls to admit that you requested it to be closed.

I, too, would rather people "walk away" from a thread than run to a moderator to get it closed, but, that is their choice..... I think all the posts show a side of a person, and help you get a feel for their personna. When I see someone post something that I don't think is "nice" I think, "wow, they're a real A-hole"



I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS IS A DISCUSSION BOARD, AND THINGS TEND TO GET A BIT MORE HEATED ON THIS ONE. I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL DOING WELL DEBATING BACK AND FORTH, PLEASE, IF IT'S TOO MUCH FOR YOU, PERHAPS YOU COULD REMAIN AT THE CAFE, OR MAYBE THE SHOPPING BOARDS ARE MORE YOUR SPEED, BUT, IT IS MUCH BETTER, IMO, IF WE DON'T GET P'D OFF ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING AND GET THE THREADS LOCKED. THANK YOU - THIS IS MY OPINION.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

and you know what? This is one of the mild mannered political boards.
AIA, you know that some people are going to get their knickers in a knot no matter where they post. Some people believe that their opinion is the only right opinion and are so closed minded that they will argue until they are blue in the face. And the nicer you are to them the angrier they get!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I'm just trying to understand the tone of this post - why does it seem like you're cautioning others about the dynamics of this board, yet from this post, it seems like you're the one who actually got heated?

I don't usually venture onto this board, but I feel I have the right to. I also feel like other posters have the same rights - even if they got some people riled up a little...

If you notice the posts were over the limit of 50. At least there is supposed to be a 50 post limit. I have no problem admitting that I asked to close ir down. Some of you don't understand how to play nicely in the sandbox and tend to ruin it for the well behaved ones. It has nothing to do with not wanting to discuss issues I just prefer to discuss it with intelligent, non judgmental nice posters, which by the way are most of you. We all know who the naughty sandbox children are. Hopefully one day they will grow up and learn to play nicely.
I don't know why that one thread was closed at 7 posts. If the thread starter asked to have it closed as some sort of "I can do it too" jab then please reread the above paragraph.
As far as that post about the priest and Catholics not judging, etc... This has been blown way out of proportion. If an avowed Democrat sides with all the Republican issues and against all the Democratic ones are they are good Democrat? In my opinion NO. It doesn't mean they are a bad person. Of course we are not supposed to judge each other. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean you can't point out something in a non-condeming way,that might help the person.
Place nicely people!

I thought a lot about your posts in the other thread (religion and politics). You were very candid about your own personal experience, and that was probably appreciated by most posters, as it should have been. I also think you went out of your way to explain your side without snapping for some time. But then you ended up getting heated, yourself.

So why the comments now about the other side getting angrier the nicer you got? I saw BOTH sides getting very angry. Your posts reflected a lot of frustration, sarcasm and anger. Why do you not feel that the other side was entitled to be equally opinionated, frank and angry?

Why caution the new posters - aren't they just expressing their sides as vehemently as you do? To be truly "open-minded" I would think you'd have to allow new people to express themselves at least as much as you do - sarcasm, anger, frustration and all.

I have never asked for any of my threads to be closed.(in answer to Kathytheshopper)
Yes, I got upset in the end. I freely admit that. I took a lot of heat and personal trashing before I did. I withstood a few pretty nasty personal attacks. But....I kept trying to discuss in a calm and collected manner. I finally hit that point where I was frustrated. I don't have a problem w/ differing opinions. I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I have my opinion, I respect you (in the general sense) having a your own opinion. I do not intentionally say things to hurt others (regardless of how I may feel about them). And I would never, ever, ever compare someone to a rapist/terrorist/child molestor simply because I didn't agree w/ their viewpoint.
Trust me, in the whole abortion discussion--I've been called a murderer. THAT I can take.
Had, the "guilty" party rescinded her comparison or even apologized for saying something in the heat of the moment I would probably not have hit the frustration point.
I also noticed that even though the "pro-choice" proponents maintained the same argument, the other side kept changing their argument--it was almost like they wanted to argue and continue the fight.
Anger at a situation, anger at a law--yes. But anger at an unknown person over the internet who disagrees with you?
I was not angry--frustrated, yes. Anger, no. (oh yes, I was sarcastic)

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Really, seems to me the prochoice people change the topic all the time. For example we went from abortion to Iraq. When they can't answer a question they vear off in another direction. I'm still waiting for documentation for several posters claims!!!!! That's all I was trying to do with the thread I started.

[quote=marilynk;2998824]I have never asked for any of my threads to be closed.(in answer to Kathytheshopper)
Why was it closed after 7 threads. I thought threads were supposed to close at 50 posts or per request of the thread starter. If you started the thread and didn't ask for it to close why was it closed? Weird!

I was rather frustrated to type up my reply (when the thread was still open, btw) and then when I went to post, it had been locked. That fast.

I wouldn't say I was exactly heated, just frustrated. I think anyone that ventures over here knows the dynamics of this board, I was just laying out my opinion on it. Everyone is ABSOLUTELY entitled to venture over to this board. I think debate is very useful, in one sense or another. The part that I don't care for is when someone cries "foul" over the "heat" and ends the debate for all of us by getting the thread locked. Like I said, if I see someone posting something that I don't think is Kosher, I just chalk it up to how they are. Just like on the other boards, there are some posters that are rather well known for their on-line personality.

Also, wanted to add.....there IS the ignore feature. It works on this board as well as the other boards.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I was posting this thread in reference to the "just curious" thread, which I stated in my post. I understand the others getting closed at 50 - I was glad they weren't closed then, thought maybe the mods were letting us police ourselves, but, the secret is out now.....apparently there was no moderation on this board.

We each have our own definition of "playing nicely" in the sandbox. To have a valuable debate, we all need to respect that. I find nothing more offensive with someone saying to have a nice cup of shut the F up, than I do someone clearly using the word bitch - which I have seen as well.

There have been many times when I have been in a heated debate with another poster(s), many on this very board. I don't take it personally at all. Actually, I have learned a lot about the people on this board from these debates, as well as a lot about politics.

Something I tell my kids when they get into an argument, and it seems neither side will let up......."stop talking, when the other side realizes you are no longer speaking, they too will leave the argument".

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

Since when does a thread starter get to close a thread? That's a new one on me. If that's in the rules, I missed it -- perhaps you can cite it for me.

As to your claim that the thread was over 50 replies and that's why you asked for it to be closed, that's hogwash. You participated in that thread as the number climbed to over 300 replies without asking for the closing.

I do apologize for my ineffective ability to use written words to convey my tone/thoughts.
If anyone views my use of examples (in post #102..quote in full "Making things right with "your God" is exactly what murders, rapists, child molsters, terrorists have said to justify what they have done.) as offensive, I am sorry. The statement in itself is true. But, I am sorry that I used it in a way that did not convey what I meant.

However, I do not apologize for my thoughts, feelings, or views on abortion.

If anyone responses to this post, please refrain from giving me another cussing out like what occured in post #246.

Please explain what you meant then, when you compared a fellow poster to murderers, rapists and child molesters. I want to hear how you could have meant that in another way.

I no longer feel the need to talk till I am blue in the face trying to answer your constant questions.

No worries, we all understood exactly what you meant.

Please take care -- wouldn't want you to fall off that ivory tower and injury yourself.

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I haven't a clue why it was closed....maybe ask a moderator.

I can take the heat in a debate--and as I have so often said it's a public message board, you're going to get all kinds.
But I didn't ask for it to close

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Oh, I can stay on topic for this one....and I think I did before....

To you, the Pope, and whomever else....I'm a Bad Catholic...because I am pro-choice.

But, along with being a Bad Catholic, I'm a Woman and an American.....which in fact, is one of the luckiest kinds of women to be (at least for now)in the world. Unlike many women in the world, I am not a second class citizen -- I have the right to vote -- I have the same rights as the men in my society -- I am not property -- I am not a commodity -- I am not a unit of measure or means --and (at least for now) there are no laws in place that segregate me from any other member of the society (men and women, race, religion, financial status a like).

The reason that I am pro-choice is not to protect my right to have an abortion, but my rights as a woman. That there should be no laws in set in place that would deny me any rights that are extended to men in the same society or that would open future doors to pass law that would allow the ruling members of society to dictate other restrictions or forced procedures to my body.

And for the record, I'm willing to fight for other women and their rights as well. I refuse to take a step backwards in this society. I prefer to move forward...with other powerful, enlightened, educated and socially responsible women who chose to empower other women, rather than hinder us as a group. Women who don't see that being pro-choice is about the act of abortion, but about something much larger -- women who see that we have a social responsibility to protect each other and empower each other to make the right decisions. Women who teach others that our bodies are something to be protected, something to be honored, and the power we posses to create life is something to be cherished and respected. All of that can happen without changing our rights as Americans....

...but, we would rather call each other Bad Catholics, or spout scripture from the bible (which isn't followed to the letter by most Christian based groups anymore....I can't remember the last time I've seen someone stoned and bacon is still flying off the shelves at my local supermarket...so does that make them all Bad Christians, or its it simply mean that they are evolving with the ways of the society they live in?), or pull facts off the internet in order to sit in judgement or each other. Sad. Very Sad.

So, this Bad Catholic is going to get herself a little lunch...and then check back later to see if this thread actually stays open. Should be interesting....

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Is that really a mature response? This is the kind of crap that is unnecessary.

Oh, I'm so very sorry, next time I'll stomp my feet and ask the moderator to close the thread, ok?

If you want to start a whole thread on unnecessary crap, I think we can get that to 50 responses in the blink of an eye.

Let me clear this up for you. Yes, I participated in that OTHER thread. I did not start that thread.
The thread I asked to close was the one I started. The reply to me from the moderator was that all threads are supposed to close at 50 posts. Since mine was over 50 posts and not on topic and the same rude people were just arguing for the sake of arguing I asked that it be closed. if you have problems with closing thread you need to ask the moderators. It is somewhere in the rules (50 posts) because we found it when we were looking for info on closing threads.
"That's hogwash"-I guess you really don't mind being judgmental as long as it's not directed at you huh?

Once again you are showing your immaturity. So if you can't post something snotty you need to stomp your feet, like a little toddler? I already explained the closing of the thread issue. Obviously it was ok to do since the MODERATOR did it and it was after 50 posts as stated in the rules. Oops, I forgot, you don't like playing by the rules. My bad.

Being "pro-choice" is being in favor of legal abortions. You don't need to add more to it. That's what that term is about and we all know it.
What about the rights of the female fetus? ONe that can be aborted legally at any time in the pregnancy, even in the 9th month. Why don't you care about her rights? You aren't honoring that little girls body nor are you protecting it. Does it appall you that in China they can and want you to kill a newborn female? What is the difference between that and a 7 month gestation female in the womb? Choice?? Ludacris!!
I see no one has touched my question about a Dem not being a good Dem is they follow the Republican platform. Interesting.......

I don't think you cleared up anything, since you're not answering what I was addressing. I KNOW the rule about closing a thread after 50 posts. However, that's a world apart from the thread starter being able to direct a moderator to close a thread just because the thread starter doesn't like the way the thread is going, which is exactly what you tried to do.

I defer to you in all matters judgmental, since you are so clearly an expert.

That is my point exactly. It is legal there. Because women don't have the same rights. Just like in Africa where female circumcision is allowed...because women don't have the same rights. And because their society fells that they are unable to make decisions about thier own bodies, they make laws for them...and will keep making them.

The only real way to protect your hypothetical fetus, is to protect, empower and educate living and breathing women today. How about spending a little time doing that rather than opening the door to have rights taken away....and only rights of women in this society.

You missed my point completly. But, I'm not shocked...I wouldn't expect you to see the big picture.

I think I will go back into my Bad Catholic corner now.

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

truble, you have an amazing ability to take a fraction of truth, enough to make your point believable and difficult to debate, and twist into something almost unrecognizable.

For example..........kathy "requested" that the mod close the thread for whatever reason. Kathy started the thread for a particular reason, she hated the twist it had taken, decided to take responsibility and request it be closed. That's the way it was. Simple.

truble's twist.......kathy "directed" the mod to close the thread because she didn't like how it was going.

It's not the same thing and you know it. You do it over and over. yuck.

You put a lot of engergy into nonsense.

You don't like that the thread got closed? Start another one.

Melissa

And your problem is what????? I asked the moderator a question, she answered it, it was within the rules of this site and the thread was closed. How you get more out of that is beyond me. You don't like it, you talk to the moderators and leave ME alone.

Killing is killing, whether you want the child or not. How can someone be appalled at what's happening in China but think it's ok here because it's empowering the women here to choose? You still end up with a dead female-in fact it's worse here because it's a FREEDOM OF CHOICE to kill your daughter before shs'e born.
Still not answering the Dem/Rep "bad" question huh? Figures. I guess if you call yourself a bad Catholic it must be coming from somewhere deep inside.......... Even if you are doing it sarcasticly.

Oh, please forgive me. I'm obviously ignorant, since I didn't know you were both the Thread Monitor and the Foot Stomping Monitor and the Maturity Monitor.

I'm such a bad, bad, girl. Guess I'll go stand in the corner until you tell me it's ok to come out.

"The same rude people people were just arguing for the sake of arguing"....
Hmmmmm....seems to me that I was lumped, by you, into this group, even though my initial response was not to you, nor was it particularly argumentative. Oh, and you, yourself, even admitted that your animosity toward me was from some other time/posts.

Sounds like everyone had a little difficulty staying on topic, and keeping to the subject matter--I'm just saying.
Hey, I know that you probably don't like me or at least not my position on certain issues. That's fine--but I wish you wouldn't just lump everyone together as being argumentative because you're upset about a post from some other thread.
I don't know what particularly you are referring to: A Democrat is either a Democrat or not. If they don't support certain laws or fall in line with the usual Democratic platform then are they really a Democrat? Or if they oppose certain aspects of the Democratic platform then they can be "labeled" a conservative Democrat, middle of the road Democrat, whatever--but I don't think a person could be completely opposed to every Democratic platform and still be a Democrat. There may be certain aspects they don't agree with, but they are still "good" Democrats. If they disagreed w/ every platform then why would they be a Democrat???

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Isn't it ironic that the only times I have been "slammed" (negative feedback) it's by the members who call themselves open-minded and non-judgmental.

I can't help but notice that you keep responding to me. If you're really disturbed, why not just ignore me?

Excuse me, but your own analysis shows the it's exactly the same thing! According to you "she hated the twist it had taken" and "requested it be closed" (no allowance in the rules for that, BTW, at least none that anyone has shown me) vs. "she "directed" the mod to close the thread because she didn't like how it was going."

Please -- what's the difference between those two statements?

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I don't know what particularly you are referring to: A Democrat is either a Democrat or not. If they don't support certain laws or fall in line with the usual Democratic platform then are they really a Democrat? Or if they oppose certain aspects of the Democratic platform then they can be "labeled" a conservative Democrat, middle of the road Democrat, whatever--but I don't a person could be completely opposed to every Democratic platform and still be a Democrat. There may be certain aspects they don't agree with, but they are still "good" Democrats. If they disagreed w/ every platform then why would they be a Democrat???[/quote]


My question was simple: if they don't agree with the Democratic platform are they a good Democrat? Yes or no. Period.
Since Senator Kennedy has a career record of voting not in line with Catholic churchs non-negotiables I still don't think he's a good Catholic. And since alot of Catholic "prochoice, pro embryonic stem cell research, pro morning after pill" etc... are all in violation why would they still want to ba a Catholic which ties in perfectly with your above answer of why would they want to be a Democrat. We've gone full circle on this one!!! lol

Duh-I don't have the power to "direct" the moderator to do anything. But thanks for thinking I have so much power!!!! I asked if it COULD be closed That was my question to the moderator, everything AFTER that was in the control of the moderator. Stop blowing things out of proportion. It's very simple actually.

I just hate to see ignorance...... Plus I'm a bit bored right now. Soon I will log off and then you can be happy!

I agree, it's very simple.

It's fine to have an opinion about abortion--whatever that might be.

And how else would someone take being compared to a rapist/child molestor/terrorist other than offensive???

You didn't feel it necessary to ask for clarification as one poster did. Had you, I would have told you the same thing I told her--I prayed and felt led to make the decision I did. Thus I was at peace w/ my God--not that I felt bad after the fact and made my peace by asking for forgiveness. I was at peace w/ the decision I made when I made it.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Oh, it's too easy. . .

Amen, sister.

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No, this is the kind of "crap" that if you don't care to read, you should put this poster on your ignore list. Now, as far as I can see, you have not done that, so, it appears to me that you enjoy reading her posts.

I enjoy reading everyone's posts. Like I said before, it gives me a view of their personna.

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My question was simple: if they don't agree with the Democratic platform are they a good Democrat? Yes or no. Period.
Since Senator Kennedy has a career record of voting not in line with Catholic churchs non-negotiables I still don't think he's a good Catholic. And since alot of Catholic "prochoice, pro embryonic stem cell research, pro morning after pill" etc... are all in violation why would they still want to ba a Catholic which ties in perfectly with your above answer of why would they want to be a Democrat. We've gone full circle on this one!!! lol[/quote]

But, can a person disagree w/ certain aspects of the Catholic faith, and still be a good Catholic? I say yes. I don't agree with the all or nothing mentality. There may certain things that they disagree with but over all feel that the Catholic church (or in your example the Dem. party) is the belief system for them.

I know some religions view women as subservient to man--while a woman may not agree with that belief and may not follow it, they may still be a member of that religion by choice.
If on the other hand they disagree w/ everything and are only in a religion/church/group because that is what is expected of them, family tradition, etc. then they probably aren't really members (in their heart or their soul) in the first place.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I'm sure they wouldn't take it very well. And, if they feel bad about being judged by the likes of those people who would use that kind of comparison, then they are welcome to come sit next to me.

I may be a Bad Catholic (aka, pro-abotion hypothetical fetus hater) but, at least I don't sit in judgement of others and mind my own business when it comes to someone else's relationship with their God.

(Wow, I am sassy today!)

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

SO, you see no difference between directing, and requesting?? There is no explantion for anything for you that would satisfy your argumentative nature besides being told that you are absolutely right, and that the other person was absolutely wrong. again...yuck.

"truble...I am so sorry the thread got closed and you can't understand why. I'm sorry that you didn't get to approve it, that it was against whatever rule you want to impose. That the intent was to be spiteful to you."

is that what you want?

or this....

"truble, not only are you right about all things, but I will turn to you for all truth, and depend on you for wording my responses. Please be my editor."

or......you could just argue with yourself, because I really think you could. lol

Melissa

I strongly disagree. Pro-Choice is also about being in favor of choosing what you will do. You see, there you go again assuming all pro-choice people will choose an abortion. It is so much larger than that Kathy. I applaud your passionate stand on the rights of the unborn. I, too, hate to see a woman get an abortion, but, I would never want that RIGHT taken away.


The female (or male for that matter) fetus has no rights, until it is born, for the most part. Yes, there are instances where the mother gets murdered, and they can charge the killer with murder of the baby, too, but, we're not talking about that right now.

Yes, it appalls me about the girls being killed in China, however, we don't live in China, and they have a HUGE population problem over there, and that is THEIR laws, not ours.

I don't understand why a Dem would follow the Republican platform I'm sure there are some Dems that want to make abortion illegal, and vice versa, but, does that mean they are following the other parties' platform? I don't think so. Much like religion, and I think we have gone over that already.

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I don't think one has to agree with the entire democratic platform to be considered a good democrat. Case in point, Senator Casey, an anti-choice democrat from Pennsylvania who endorsed Senator Obama, a pro-choice democrat. I may be misunderstanding but it seems to me you're trying to put "democrats" into the same good or bad boxes you put members of the Catholic religion in. BTW, the democratic platform addresses many issues in addition to a women's choice. If you don't agree with any points of the democratic platform, you're not a bad democratic, you're simply not a democrat.

Finally! Somebody get's it.

But, China's problems could become our problems if we start giving up our rights.

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

I just wish the choices had more to do with not having sex unless you are willing to take on the responsibility of a child. We are involved with a child whose mother has no concept of birth control. She claims to, but her 3 pregnancies prove otherwise. I am so thankful she did not choose abortion, but would be thrilled if she learned what a responsiblity it is to bring children into this world, and be less permiscuous. A person does not HAVE to have sex.

I no longer believe that abortion will become illegal, so I think our focus needs to be on morality before the pregnancy. And even that needs to just begin within the church. Like I implied in another post, we cannot expect the world to be "moral" by our standards. We as a church do not uphold the moral standards we claim to have.

Melissa

Something to give some serious thought to:

"If something can be dehumanized through the rhetoric used to describe it, then the major battle has been won. So when American soldiers can drop bombs on Vietnam and melt the faces and hands of children into a hunk of rolling protoplasm and in their minds say they have not maimed or killed a fellow human being something terribly wrong and sick has gone on in that mind. That is why the Constitution called us three-fifths human and then whites further dehumanized us by calling us "niggers." It was part of the dehumanizing process. The first step was to distort the image of us as human beings in. order to justify that which they wanted to do and not even feel like they had done anything wrong. Those advocates of taking. life prior to birth do not call it killing or murder; they call it abortion. They further never talk about aborting a baby because that would imply something human. Rather they talk about aborting the fetus. Fetus sounds less than human and therefore can be justified."

"Everyone can come to the mercy seat and find forgiveness and acceptance. But, and this may be the essence of my argument, suppose one is so hard-hearted and so in-different to life until he assumes that there is nothing for which to be forgiven. What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person, and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually?

It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind."
Right to Life News, January 1977

See, you said what you had to say--and did it in a manner that was not hateful or mean. You didn't call anyone names. You didn't resort to dragging in Biblical references.

I applaud your ability to express your opinion in such a calm and cognizant manner. I disagree with your position (in part), but I respect the fact that you stated your opinion in such a manner.

Here's the thing I agree with: Yes, it is about personal responsibility. I would assume that the young lady you are involved with has other issues besides being promiscuous. And she probably wasn't taught personal responsibility.

I disagree that this is a morality issue (see above). And I think that first and foremost responsibility and moral should be taught at home. If the home life/parents are very active in church or have a solid religious foundation then they may find their task to be easier.

And you are 100% correct that what is good and moral to one person (or group), may not be the so for others--and they shouldn't be judged based on YOUR beliefs.

Frankly, I don't know many women (myself included) who use abortion as "birth control". I would love to see the statistics/information on how many abortions are "repeats". I think that some people believe that abortion is just a way for a woman to shirk her responsibility--I think that a woman choosing to have an abortion can be the most responsibility thing to do in some situations.

It's not so hard to discuss this topic if name calling and mudslinging can be kept at bay
You have your opinion, I have mine. We don't have to agree that either is correct to respect each other.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

(marilynk) I would love to see the statistics/information on how many abortions are "repeats"

Abort73.com || Abortion Statistics

"AGI, on the other hand, is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the world's largest abortion provider."
"In 2005 (the most recent year for which there is reliable data),"

47% of women who have abortions had at least one previous abortion (AGI).

While I appreciate the time and effort you took to find that and post it-- I wish there were just some straightforward facts on a non-biased website/objective third party. When statistics are from an obviously biased website, it's hard to lend much credence to those statistics quoted. Sorry, that's just how it is.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

[quote=allinaugust;2999118]I strongly disagree. Pro-Choice is also about being in favor of choosing what you will do. You see, there you go again assuming all pro-choice people will choose an abortion. It is so much larger than that Kathy. I applaud your passionate stand on the rights of the unborn. I, too, hate to see a woman get an abortion, but, I would never want that RIGHT taken away.




The female (or male for that matter) fetus has no rights, until it is born, for the most part. Yes, there are instances where the mother gets murdered, and they can charge the killer with murder of the baby, too, but, we're not talking about that right now.

But that makes the baby a "conditional" baby doesn't it?