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Old 05-29-2008, 06:45 AM
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Michelle Malkin

Have you seen this silliness yet? I would have thought this was a parody from The Onion, but no, Malkin is actually freaked out over a scarf worn in a commercial by Rachel Ray (well known terrorist, of course)!

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Sigh. You all know I’ve been a fan of Dunkin Donuts for quite some time–and have touted their strong position in favor of immigration enforcement.

Charles Johnson notes, and many readers have e-mailed about, Dunkin Donuts’ spokeswoman Rachel Ray’s clueless sporting of a jihadi chic keffiyeh in a recent DD ad campaign. I’m hoping her hate couture choice was spurred more by ignorance than ideology.

Is Ray’s blunder worth boycotting DD over? I’ll be interested to hear the company’s take. At this point, I’m going to give the management the benefit of the doubt. They have braved boycott threats and attacks over their lonely, principled stance against illegal immigration. Given their pro-rule of law, America first position, I highly doubt the executive offices are filled with moonbats who endorse Ray’s keffiyeh chic.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:10 AM
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I had seen that and wonder why she cannot find something better to do with her life than look for imaginary conspiracies. She's a strange one.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:12 AM
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FWIW -- which I'm sure is nothing -- I've written DD to express my disgust with their caving to the sick, twisted hatred of Malkin.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:51 AM
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FWIW -- which I'm sure is nothing -- I've written DD to express my disgust with their caving to the sick, twisted hatred of Malkin.
I heard something about this, didn't give it too much credence, tho. The words "Rachel Ray" and "terrorist" don't really go together in my book.

Anyway, good for you Truble for putting your money where your mouth is. I did the same thing with American Express over the BS of the Don Imus case. I'd been a loyal card holder with them for over 20 years when that happened. Haven't gotten the card again, either, even though they keep sending me letters to come back. I think too often people just sit back and complain and really don't put their money where their mouth is.
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:21 PM
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Read the description -- "issues in our political process." Inasmuch as Michelle Malkin is, unfortunately, an influence in our political process, I think it fits here. If you object, please ask the mod and I will abide by her decision.
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:28 PM
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Here is the full statement, that does continue with .....heading for our National Election on November 4, 2008:

This board is for discussion of the candidates and issues in our political process heading for our National Election on November 4, 2008.


I had no idea that a scarf or Dunkin Donuts was part of the candidates or issues in our political process heading for our national election, but I suppose you will work on convincing the masses otherwise.

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Old 05-30-2008, 01:52 AM
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We had huge threads re: Senator Kennedy that had nothing to do with the upcoming election either. I think guidelines here can be made a little fluid. If you don't want to contribute to a thread, then just don't.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:59 AM
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Oh my gosh...what a bunch of BS. I have 3 scarves like this and never knew I might be sending a message by wearing them.

I got them while we were stationed in Germany in 1980-1985. They were everywhere and sold for about $1 a piece. Everyone wore them. I still wear mine in winter. I have one red and white, one black and white and one navy and white. Am I sending a different message depending on what color I wear?

I've worn them on military bases for years with not one comment, snide remark or any indication that there was something wrong. This Duncan Donut thing is the 1st I've heard that it's...what...Anti-American/Pro Terrorist to wear it?
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:46 PM
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I think guidelines here can be made a little fluid. If you don't want to contribute to a thread, then just don't.
Good advice.

I don't think it hurts too much to discuss other political topics. I'd like to imagine either this board or a similar board will remain after the election is over.

I'm not one that enjoys discussing political views, but I do respect that there are folks out there that do. As long as folks can respect each other in their discussions, communcation is good!

Back to thread topic, please....
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:26 PM
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Wow, so now our posts are being censored? Great job. Speak for us, don't let us speak for ourselves. We're idiots and know not what we do. Thank god we have mods out there willing to do it for us.
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:48 PM
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Wow, so now our posts are being censored? Great job. Speak for us, don't let us speak for ourselves. We're idiots and know not what we do. Thank god we have mods out there willing to do it for us.
The only way your posts are being "censored" is to stop off-topic fighting. If insults and off-topic fighting is all of a sudden allowed here, sorry, I guess I missed the memo.

I agreed with jeanie, that it really should be fine to discuss other political topics, not necessarily JUST the election. Other topics were posted here that weren't necessarily election specific, but political, and they went just fine.

I have no idea why you're thinking anyone feels you're idiots, you'll have to explain that one to me. The way I meant it was more of a "mod willing to see another side of things". Sorry you didn't see it like that.

Forgive me, I guess, for standing up on the side of your great discussions. My post was directed at anyone that felt this board should be STRICTLY for election discussion only. Kind of a "Hey, yeah, there's really nothing wrong with what you guys are discussing, no need to change" type deal. That's a bad thing?

Would it have been better if all non-election threads/posts were deleted, since they were technically off board topic?
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Old 05-31-2008, 05:49 AM
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Would it have been better if all non-election threads/posts were deleted, since they were technically off board topic?
Clearly, I don't think so, since I started this and the other thread that one poster objected to. I don't agree that they're even technically off board topic, since the board's description says "political issues," which both threads clearly were.

In any event, I don't see how anyone read your prior post to say that you were going to censor anything -- I read it to mean pretty much the opposite.
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:34 AM
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The only way your posts are being "censored" is to stop off-topic fighting. If insults and off-topic fighting is all of a sudden allowed here, sorry, I guess I missed the memo.

I agreed with jeanie, that it really should be fine to discuss other political topics, not necessarily JUST the election. Other topics were posted here that weren't necessarily election specific, but political, and they went just fine.

I have no idea why you're thinking anyone feels you're idiots, you'll have to explain that one to me. The way I meant it was more of a "mod willing to see another side of things". Sorry you didn't see it like that.

Forgive me, I guess, for standing up on the side of your great discussions. My post was directed at anyone that felt this board should be STRICTLY for election discussion only. Kind of a "Hey, yeah, there's really nothing wrong with what you guys are discussing, no need to change" type deal. That's a bad thing?

Would it have been better if all non-election threads/posts were deleted, since they were technically off board topic?

The posts here were censored due to my involvement, it's not the first time. Other threads, on this very board, had many, many more "insults and off-topic fighting" than the couple of posts on here. I stayed out of those, and all posts remained. Obviously, other threads going just fine is a matter of opinion. There were several who were extremely offended and yet the beat went on.

You would be talking about me asking why this post was relevant to this board. I will NOT apologize for reading the rules of play and asking why. In fact, the board name says it, the rules just expand upon it. The board name/rules need to be modified if this was really (now) meant to be a free for all politial board. Also, typically posts are moved when on the wrong board. You asked questions, I answered. Maybe this post of mine will stay. Maybe not.

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Old 05-31-2008, 07:39 AM
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Clearly, I don't think so, since I started this and the other thread that one poster objected to. I don't agree that they're even technically off board topic, since the board's description says "political issues," which both threads clearly were.

In any event, I don't see how anyone read your prior post to say that you were going to censor anything -- I read it to mean pretty much the opposite.
I didn't object, I asked a question. You continue to choose a couple of words out of the entire content. See my reply to ambrianna, it's not worth repeating for you alone.

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I didn't object, I asked a question. You continue to choose a couple of words out of the entire content. See my reply to ambrianna, it's not worth repeating for you alone.

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Old 05-31-2008, 08:42 AM
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Did you all see the picture of this well-known terrorist wearing a scarf like poor Rachel Ray's? I think Malkin should suggest a boycott of her organization too.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:29 AM
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The only way your posts are being "censored" is to stop off-topic fighting. If insults and off-topic fighting is all of a sudden allowed here, sorry, I guess I missed the memo.

I agreed with jeanie, that it really should be fine to discuss other political topics, not necessarily JUST the election. Other topics were posted here that weren't necessarily election specific, but political, and they went just fine.

I have no idea why you're thinking anyone feels you're idiots, you'll have to explain that one to me. The way I meant it was more of a "mod willing to see another side of things". Sorry you didn't see it like that.

Forgive me, I guess, for standing up on the side of your great discussions. My post was directed at anyone that felt this board should be STRICTLY for election discussion only. Kind of a "Hey, yeah, there's really nothing wrong with what you guys are discussing, no need to change" type deal. That's a bad thing?

Would it have been better if all non-election threads/posts were deleted, since they were technically off board topic?

I can't believe deddlastt and I are agreeing, however, I'd REALLY like to know where you were in allllll the other threads on the board where people were REALLY going at it, calling others murderers, etc. NOW, all of a sudden you want to step in? Yeah. Ok. What about the thread about religion, voting guidelines, etc? Veered wildly off topic. Where were you then? Will you be policing all threads on here from now on to make sure we ONLY talk about the topic posted? If we don't, will you then begin to start deleting ALL threads that aren't?

Oh, and in order to make sure this doesn't get deleted (although who knows about it being censored anymore), Michelle Malkin is a non issue. She's a freaking idiot and frankly, the only way she gains any credence is by discussing her actions. NOT discussing her makes it a moot point. If DD is that much of a doormat, that's their problem.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:41 AM
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Could someone tell me where ANY posts were censored? I haven't seen that happening.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:46 AM
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both deddlastt and I had posts deleted from this topic.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:49 AM
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Thanks. I didn't know that.
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Old 05-31-2008, 10:05 AM
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Could someone tell me where ANY posts were censored? I haven't seen that happening.
An argument between a couple people was removed. Period. I posted a positive note on how the board was going as a whole and apparently that's enough to put me on trial.

If you all want to start going the route of deleting reported off-topic posts, that's fine with me. It's been avoided for a LONG time, as jaded has noticed. Give an inch, take 10 miles, and all that.
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In any event, I don't see how anyone read your prior post to say that you were going to censor anything -- I read it to mean pretty much the opposite.
Exactly, THANK you!

I'm not going to apologize for deleting a a few posts of a petty little argument. I deleted nothing else, I didn't censor anything. I never required permission to do so in the past and I don't think I do now. What you're seeing is someone(s) wanting to stir up trouble and have these threads removed because they're not EXACTLY on topic. Why? Who knows. For the MOST part I thought this board was going great, even with the non-election topics. I think it would be cool to let it continue as a political board after the election., since I know some folks like to talk about such things. Is this board ALWAYS great? No. But not enough to slap everyone's hands and demand no one talk about anything except the election.

But, if some of you want to call each other out as other members, insult IQ levels, and generally harass (which has nothing REMOTELY to do with politics), fine. Have at it. But don't turn around and report for harassment and rudeness. You can't have it BOTH ways.
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:29 PM
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An argument between a couple people was removed. Period.
Thanks for explaining.

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If you all want to start going the route of deleting reported off-topic posts, that's fine with me. It's been avoided for a LONG time, as jaded has noticed. Give an inch, take 10 miles, and all that.
The good news is that, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of people who participate regularly on this board aren't interested in those petty things. They just want to discuss politics, which is what the board says it's for. IMO "political issues" extend far beyond the election. If every post had to deal with the election period, I think we'd get very tired of talking about nothing but John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and, in any event, the election really is about so much more than just those three people. I find American politics fascinating. Board politics -- not so much.

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Old 05-31-2008, 08:18 PM
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I agree Truble....this board need not be so tunnel-vision in it's scope as to only include a narrow set of values. As a matter of fact in this election particularly there are many issues of great import to those invested in the process. We need to allow all things political in nature leeway. And, if one or two people would demand that the title of the board be changed to accommodate their narrow definitions of this board, then I think the majority of the posters here would overrule that vote. After all, this IS a political board


Also, Mod, I too took your original post to mean that you were giving leeway in this thread, not intending to censor because something might be slightly off-topic by board name.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:09 AM
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I'm not going to apologize for deleting a a few posts of a petty little argument.
Actually, I don't see why those posts were deleted. Why can't people "argue" if they want to? Even during a "petty little argument", there are usually interesting/relevant points made.

If people don't want to read them, they can skip them.
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:33 AM
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Actually, I don't see why those posts were deleted. Why can't people "argue" if they want to? Even during a "petty little argument", there are usually interesting/relevant points made.

If people don't want to read them, they can skip them.

I agree.
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:19 PM
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Did you all see the picture of this well-known terrorist wearing a scarf like poor Rachel Ray's? I think Malkin should suggest a boycott of her organization too.

LOL.
Nice pic. Meghan looks great.
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