I'm so proud of Barack right now! Although it does make me sad that a country like South Africa got there before us, we're finally fired up and ready to go! 4 more delegates till history is made!!!

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Wow. He just secured the nom and I'm the only one talking about it. LOL. Figures.

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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

Maybe it's because noone is surprised. lol

Melissa

I'm not surprised either, but I'm still celebrating.

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May God truly help us.............Sherri

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You got that right!!!!!!!!

God has helped us by putting a man in the right place at the right time that can defeat Bush III and help set this country back on the right path.

Did anyone else notice that, as of last night, McCain is suddenly the candidate of change? What a joke. He made some mighty snarky comments last night. With five months to the election, McCain is already letting his famously nasty temper out.

The summer is going to be fun!

ETA: Nicole, did you see that Obama is going to be at the Nissan Pavilion tomorrow? Let me know if you need the link to the RSVP site. I got an email from the campaign last night.

I think he finally is helping us. Go Obama!!!!

Jen

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I am so excited to get to November. History is being made and we are a part of it. There is still work to be done, though to secure the Presidency and the future of this country or at least the next eight years.

It is comments like the one Sherri made that make me sad. It shows that some conservatives KNOW that the Republican candidate cannot win and their candidate has already been defeated.

It is not how we win that shows true character, but how we lose.

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We had hellacious storms last night and my satellite went out so I didn't see the speech. I can't watch anything on youtube for some reason, but would LOVE to see his speech. Anyone have any links to share?

I'll even read the transcript if that is all I can find, but I'd rather see him give it!

I'm so excited!

here are some links

ABC News: FULL SPEECH: Obama Declares Victory

There is a link here that you can watch..for some reason I can not get the actual link to post

ABC News: Online news, breaking news, feature stories and more

look under the big picture on the site.
(WATCH: Obama Claims Democratic Nomination)

You can view it here:

YouTube - Barack Obama Democratic Nomination Victory Speech

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Real eyes...realize...real lies.

Why?

While I firmly believe that we need a change--unfortunately, there's no guarantee that Obama will win in November.

Instead of making snarky comments because you don't like a candidate, how about working to make a difference in your community/state and/or country?

And quite frankly regardless of where you stand politically this IS a historic time...A woman was so very close to being nominated for President, and a person that isn't WHITE/Anglo is the presumptive nominee. That speaks volumes of how far we have come in this country.

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Well said. Well said.

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Snakry comment? How do you know that person isn't working on making this country better, etc...
Obama scares me for many reasons. Lack of experience, black liberation theology, good speeches but no significant plans, etc.... He preaches change but what kind? How is he going to implement it?
I know he left the church but he was there for 20 years for heavens sakes. When I first heard of him I checked out that church website and it scared me. I think the website has since been toned down a bit.
And he's for legal abortion throughout the whole 9 months of pregnancy. And I'm not saying this to start another abortion debate.
He will never get my vote and I will certainly be helping the McCain campaign.

but some people act as if just because he has the Dem. nomination that is the end of the world. Would you have been any happier w/ Hillary??? I think not.

I, personally, don't care who anyone supports or who they vote for. But to thread crap for the sake of thread crapping just because you can? That says a lot about a person.
I'm not a fan of Obama's, but I comprehend what a huge step and historic time this is for our country.
The simple fact is this: It is a historic time in our nation's history! Goodness! 20 years ago no one could have imagined a black man or a woman would have been the top two candidates for President

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

You've misstated so much that it's clear you haven't even tried to find out what he's about. That's fine, I know you'd never vote for a pro-choice candidate and that's your perogative.

But don't forget that John McCain, while anti-choice, is very pro-war.

McCain is like a man with a bag of hammers and everything looks like a nail to him.

ok, what was mistated?? The church website was scary. I saw it myself.

Actually I'd rather have Hillary if it was between the two of them. And you are correct, I woiuld not vote for a pro-choice candidate, especially one who wants to keep it legal throughout all nine months of pregnancy.

jesus christ, can the man not even get congrats for breaking a barrier that has NEVER been broken before regardless of your affiliation? Are you that bitter? OK, WE GET THAT YOU DON'T LIKE HIM. However, never before has an african-american been this close the presidency. And he came that much closer last night. Like the thread title says, such an historic moment.

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Please don't use the JC phrase like that. Thanks.
Whooooo hooooo, a black man being nominated for the presidency!! YEEEE HAAAAWWWWWW!!! I guess if we really were color blind it wouldn't matter would it!!!!

for the love of god! Do you ever get tired of being snarky and snotty? I mean REALLY!

You have the audacity to claim to be a Christian, but yet you have been nothing but negative and hateful--Wow! HYPOCRIT!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

This I agree with. And I applaud your restraint.


After that I'm lost...

I'm agnostic. I'll use it whatever way I want. Free country and all that.

And Marilyn, thank you. Too bad snarky is the worse we can use on this board.

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Yes, because I'm sure you know at least one other word I wanted to you....
C U Next Tuesday!

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roflol, carefu! Next thing you know, your post will be...DELETED.

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Well if I'm snarky this post makes you look a lot worse!!!!

They want this thread to be a hip, hip, horray so I'm just giving them what they want!!!

[quote=marilynk;3002225]for the love of god! Do you ever get tired of being snarky and snotty? I mean REALLY!

You have the audacity to claim to be a Christian, but yet you have been nothing but negative and hateful--Wow! HYPOCRIT![/QUOTE
Oh you are just tooooo funny trying to call me the C word. I'm embarrassed by your immaturity!!!

Have you graduated from junior high school yet? That's about the maturity level of someone who laughs at calling someone the C word.

Yep,maybe so! But--I don't come here professing my Christianity and then showing the complete opposite.

I am who I am---love me or hate me. it's up to you. But, I don't claim to be one thing and behave the complete opposite. It is possible to disagree w/ a person and still show respect. Jaded and I don't agree on some things, but we can disagree in an adult manner. You seem incapable of showing anyone any respect if they don't have the same set of beliefs as you. Newsflash---you may NOT be right. You could be wrong all this time. But, that never crosses your mind does it!?

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I don't show the opposite of Christianity. Plus you don't know me at all. Yes, I post a lot of sarcastic remarks, that's how I approach a lot of things. But I have not called anyone on here names. My first post on this thread was a simple response of agreement to another persons post. And for that Iget called snarky. So who's rude on here and who's not? So if I post an opinion or agree with another poster that doesn't agree with you I warrant a snarky comment and a C word comment? Reread this thread from start to finish and see if I deserve that.

oh man. you caught me. I'm really 12 and in 6th grade.

Actually, I was laughing at Marilyn b/c I KNOW her post will be deleted as fast as someone can run and tell on her. I don't like the c word. I've said it time and again in my posts about McCain. In fact, after reading about him having used it on his wife, I actually like to think of it now as a republican used word. I wouldn't call someone that. Dark sided, yes. c word no.
Of course, I dislike dark sided folks just as much.

Plus, I'm SURE she never called you that. She wouldn't beat around the Bush like that.

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well...actually:

My original comment about being snarky was to Sher218. You jumped right in and ran with that. I didn't call you snarky until your sarcasm and nastiness much later on.

You claim to not show the opposite of Christianity--I disagree. Your sarcasm in written form comes across as mean, nasty, hateful and judgmental. Just a helpful hint--if you hadn't posted before of your religious beliefs, I would NEVER accuse you of being a Christian as your posts do not give any evidence of that.

I probably shouldn't have made the C U next tuesday comment. But, it got your attention and hopefully you take some of the things pointed out in this thread about YOUR behaviour.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I hope someone does delete that post. That's not really discussing an issue is it? If you don't like the C word why are you laughing? That's like someone using the "N" word and someone else laughing at it. Would that be ok? I don't know why you would even use that word. It certainly reflects poorly on the one who used it and the one who laughs at it...........

sigh. way to get my thread off topic. good grief.

Let me say it again. Read slowly: I. was. laughing. at. Marilyn. b/c. I. KNOW. her. post. will. be. deleted. as. fast. as. someone. can. run. and. tell. on. her. Get it? That's. why. I. was. laughing.

Secondly Kathy, calling someone a n!gger is MUCH MUCH MUCH different than the c word. we can take it there if you want, but think about it first.

Third, I didn't use any word. So do NOT attempt to put words in my mouth.

Fourth, for someone who defended that woman in the other thread when she compared Obama to HITLER, you've got a ton of nerve to point fingers. It certainly reflects poorly on the one who used it and the one who defends it.....

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I'm not sure about what you are saying. I have had many, many private messages supporting me. No one but you and your buds have judged me as being non-CHristianlike.
Actually my comment about snarky was in response to your comment to the other poster. It appeared anyone who agreed with her would also be snarky. So sorry if you didn't mean I am also snarky and I took it wrong. You meant only Sher218 was snarky and no one who agreed with her? And what gives you the "ok" to call her snarky anyway?
So let me get this logic-you think I'm judgmental so you judge me for that??? Wouldn't that make us the same?
I would like you to quote-not pick a piece out of a statement but all the phrases-where I display hateful and judgmental speech. Yours will be easy-see several posts back and the "c" word! lol I'm still shaking my head at the immaturity of that........

Oh, so you weren't laughing at her use of the "c"word towards a person on this board-just the fact that it will get deleted? Equally immature if you ask me. (and no, you didn't)I have NO IDEA what you are talking about with the Obama/Hitler thing!I really don't see much difference between the "c" word and the "n" word. THey are both used to really insult the person it is intended for. To my knowledge calling a woman the "c" word is as low as you can go. And why in the world would you spell out the "n" word. What's wrong with you?

I wasn't so much rooting for Obama over Clinton, but am excited Obama won bc I don't think Clinton could have beat out McCain in the election and I wanted whoever had the best chance to beat McCain to win. Lord help us if McCain wins in November.

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You still haven't posted what I've misstated. I'm waiting......

<<<sigh>>>

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

Actually, there is a worse word, but, I won't give anyone here that ammunition.

Yes, it is a historic moment for a black man to get the nomination for President.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I guess I'm glad I dont' know the worse word!!! I'll ask my sons, they'll know!!!
Yep it is historic!

SOrry this is making you sigh. If people are going to jump on me they better back it up.......
I tired to get back on topic when I asked where I was mistaken about Obama. Naturally my question wasn't answerd and it went south....... I would prefer to stay on topic.

I just hated to see it downgraded into what it became, that's all. But, such is the nature of the Election Board, I guess. I'm just in a mood, carry on

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I agree. I sincerely wanted my "mistakes" to be pointed out. I didn't want to be called names, etc... I would prefer rational discussions.

Oh, Brother.....rational discussion? I am not sure that will be happening once certain posters arrive. I am sure you have had "many" posters pm you with their "support". I am sure Jaded, Marilyn and Truble and myself have also had many post support. That doesn't mean a thing. Hitler, Hussein, Idi Amin, GWB, and Castro have also had people support them. It doesn't make them right. It makes their thoughts and ideas palatable to others with similar thoughts and ideas. Get it? Kathy, the idea that because you have had "many people" send you notes of support means nothing in the way of proof that you are right or acting that would be considered "Christian" to someone who isn't or even someone who is.

There was once poster I knew here and at another board who professed that she was a Christian, but was the meanest, most sarcastic, hateful poster I ever read. BUT she was a Christian so that excused her to say and be any way she wanted to be. She didn't see that her delivery and matter of posting was such a turnoff that it was the opposite of Christian like behaviour. (how can I judge you as a Christian? I guess it is sort of like being able to judge whether someone is a good Catholic, reread your posts on that subject)
Your delivery of the message is terrible and does make you look like a bitter, hateful, sarcastic, mean person. And if that is what the Word has brought to your life, then I don't blame people for wanting to be agnostic and not respecting you (with the exception of your posse who have been supportive to you according to you).

This should in no way be considered a put down to you, Kathy. Instead as a Christian myself, I am called to let you know as a sister in Christ that your methods are not working and are only making you look terrible in this thread amongst others. I also am not perfect and I am trying hard to not let anger guide me.

On topic again....History has been made and will continue to be made. It is an exciting time in our history and YES, WE CAN!!!!

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. (how can I judge you as a Christian? I guess it is sort of like being able to judge whether someone is a good Catholic, reread your posts on that subject)


Well once again it seems you are judging me. I'm actually a very nice, Catholic girl who helps all her friends, works with the prolife community, supports Birthright, is involved in the election process,etc. Even my exhusband will tell you what a nice person I am. Maybe I come across harsh sometimes. The written word can be taken many ways. I have not judged people-certain people assume my statements are judgmental when they are my opinions or if they don't like them. On prior threads I have even cited facts to back up my "judgments" but that is not good enough for many of you. I can't believe you, who claim to be a sister in Christ, feel the need to be critical of me and tell me that I appear bitter, hateful and mean. You want to look like you are taking the highroad and "helping" me but I've read your posts many times and you are not always nice. I am still waiting for an earlier poster to present all the mean things I have said. I dare you to find instances where I have called people names. I have been called all kinds of rude names on here. See earlier in this very post. Are you jumping on that poster on my behalf? I doubt it.
Yes, I stand by my statement that with Ted Kennedys long history of prochoice voting that he is not a good Catholic. I have asked my friends about this and they all agree that he is not following Catholic Doctrine. Reread my posts on that topic. I cited church doctrine. Many of you got all hung up on this thinking I'm being judgmental. I'm not judging-I'm pointing out that he is not in line with the Catholic church and hence in my opinion not a good Catholic. Sometime breaks a lot of driving laws I would say they are not a good driver. So what. Should I be tarred and feathered for that statement too? Not if you are a good Christian!! Please, no helpful suggestions from you posters that continuously bash me for my opinions.

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What about the lady who suggested I'm the "'c" word and the other poster who got a chuckle out of the fact it would probably be removed? That doesn't make you upset but my opinon on Ted Kennedy is still on your mind???? I can't follow that logic.

I never said anything about your flawed judgement on Ted Kennedy.

And it is USNAMOM.

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I sure hope this thread closes soon!!!

That was the whole good catholic topic. Flawed judgment? Sounds judgmental on your part doesn't it?