I'm wondering what everyone thought of Senator Clinton's speech last night. Were you surprised that she wasn't more congratulatory, do you think she's holding out to be VP?

I listened to her speech on youtube. I do think she is open to the idea of VP. But I doubt if that will happen. Maybe a position in Obama's possible cabinet, VP would surprise me.

She was still in the campaign mode last night since people were still voting in the last primiaries. I do wonder why the rush to declare a nominee last night. I think it would have been better to wait until the end of the week.

I think that when she endorsed McCain over Obama, she screwed herself out of the nom. Not only that, but the tone and lack of humility in her speech last night, clinched the fact that she won't get it. A cabinet position maybe.

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I don't think this is going to come down to a few remarks that Hilary made, or a tone that she took that didn't jive with Obama's side. He hasn't shown me that he'd be vindictive or shallow.

I believe she'll be asked to be on the ticket because of the simple facts that it would unify the democrats, and, frankly IMHO - he needs her.

I'm interested to see how this plays out. To me, if he's smart, he'll ask. And if she's smart, she'll take him up on it...

While I respect your opinion...

I think Obama would be wise to at least broker an offer even if it's just a token offer (agreed upon beforehand that she won't accept).

I think the combination of Obama and Hillary would be a formidable force, simply because they both are popular, they both have specific voter niches and I'm of the opinion that they would provide a respectable balance in the global/world eye.

I don't know how it will play out. I hope that whomever he chooses is someone that would make a good President in 4-8 years

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She was obnoxious and arrogant in her speech last night. I would hate to see her and Bill on the ticket. And make no mistake, it would be both of them. Instead of unifying the party, I think it would be terrible for it.

Her speech was made for the benefit of her supporters and no one else. I think she'll be suspending her campaign soon.

I agree that if he's smart, he'll ask. It remains to be seen if he will. He could do a lot worse and I can't think of anyone better. He can send Bill to the middle east and tell him to come home when there is peace. That should keep him busy.

LOL! That was a good one.

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I like your thinking...

I disagree.

1 - he has to be able to trust his VP. Like they said on CNN today, his VP has to be someone he can be sure is working for him, not themselves. Frankly, I think that alone puts her out of the running.

2 - her millions of voters are not going to vote for or against him simply b/c she says to. Well, at least, I would hope they wouldn't. I'd hope that they would choose based on the fact that America cannot afford 4 - 8 more years of a republican in office. Especially not progressive American women. Sadly, some of her voters are a lunatic fringe who don't see it that way. YouTube - Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting

3 - I don't see why it would be wise of him to broker an offer. Because he won and she didn't? No good. It's not like he stole the nomination, he won it fair and square, and with the new numbers she advocated. If it's simply so he'll have a woman on the ballot with him, well there's always Clare MaCaskill. If it's so he'll get those 1 in 7 voters who said race was a factor, well, frankly, I'd rather they go to hell than have him try to woo someone as racist as that.

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1) I think that the VicePresident should work WITH the President, not FOR the President.
2) I wasn't implying that Hillary supporters would vote him because she said to. I was simply saying that as popular as she is, in combination with his popularity it would only increase their popularity. And, I am of the opinion that Hillary hasn't cornered the market on "lunatic fringe" supporters
3) Why so defensive? Why do you even mention "stole the nomination" or bring in race? I believe if there was a deal brokered where he offered her the VP position (especially if she turns it down) it would be like extending an olive branch. Kind of like saying "we're all in this together, let's work together". And isn't that something WE all would like to see? More cooperation and working together?

Like I said, I think that Obama and Hillary would compliment each other. We certainly don't need a lap dog VP nor do we need a VP who is never seen, but is running the show behind the scenes.

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Oh my gosh!!! We agree! I also think it would be a big mistake. If you get Hillary, you get Bill and I think there's quite a section of the population that can't stand the Clintons. Oops, since I am a McCain supporter I guess I should hope he does pick her because that would certainly help McCain! lol

Too funny! And you know he'd probably be intereted in all the women over there.........

There are many reasons the Obama/Clinton ticket would be in the best interests of democrats.

One huge one is that Clinton has huge appeal where Obama has admitedly fallen short. It seems like a no brainer that Obama needs Clinton's voters to win.

Secondly, while campaigning, both O and C have emphatically expressed their mutual similarities and downplayed their differences. They both stand for virtually the same things! How could that not strenghthen his campaign?

I find it interesting that the same poster who was shocked that fellow MC'ers weren't coming out in droves on the boards to cheer for the historic occasion of a black man securing the nomination wouldn't find it equally historic and effective to have a FEMALE on the ticket along with the black man.

To me, that ticket would truly be what a progressive American WOMAN would be yearning for. JMHO...

Plain and simple Hillary has million and millions of supporters..she won the "popular" vote. I think that there have been bad feelings and unfortunate comments made in BOTH camps, and both camps have said things that offended the others camps. Yes, there are rabid HRC supporters, BUT there are also rabid and RACIST Obama supporters (can think of a few reverends we have read about just to name two, let alone others). Both camps have denounced those fringe rabid supporters. You cannot nor should you label either candidate on those rabid, out-of-the-control-of-the-candidate loons.....look at the average supporter to see where their base lies. I know that concilliatory gestures on BOTH sides need to be done to bring the party back together.....BOTH candidates need to make decisions that ensure that we are not shackled under a republican yoke again.....

I think the time for pettiness and damaging rhetoric needs to be over and done with NOW within the party.....BOTH need to make changes and allowances and start taking the high road towards each other.

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I didn't realize Clare MaCaskill wasn't a female. My fault. And trust me, I wasn't shocked that people here of all places weren't coming out to cheer for such an historic occasion. Trust me on that!

I mention it b/c that's all we're hearing on the news, in the blogs, on the radio, in the papers, etc from her supporters at this time. So it's relevant, imo. Like it or not, those are the two main reasons most of her supporters are giving for not wanting to vote for him. Why couldn't he say the same thing by offering her a cabinet position? WHY does it have to be VP? Isn't it still cooperation and working together if she were offered a position on his cabinet?

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and that's truly a shame that anyone thinks he stole the election. Even though he's not my 1st choice (I do love Hillary) he won--based on the system we have in place, fair and square.(I don't like the system--but didn't like it before Obama won, so that isn't relevant)

As to the race issue---while I'm sure some are against Obama because he's black. That has never played a part in my decision.

I want Hill as VP dammit! I just do---Obama doesn't have to offer it, and yes, offering her a cabinet position would be nice (I think Hillary could take Condolezza in a fight! LOL)---but *I* want her to be offered the VP spot!

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I get that. I really do. But do you think SHE would be happy in a VP spot? I truly, honestly do not think she would. PLUS, if she gets put in any other position, she'll have to leave the senate. What then would happen to our majority lead?

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Only if you use Enron's accounting methods and discount all the votes cast in caucus states.

According to the news Hillary will give a speech this Sat. This should help unite the Democratic party.

Clinton To End Campaign, Back Obama, Tells Supporters That Party Must Unite Behind Obama; "Stakes Are Too High" To Do Otherwise - CBS News

"I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise," Clinton said in the letter. "I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise."

"My differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans," she said in her letter, titled, "I Want You To Know".

I don't need her to be happy, I need the job offered. She can refuse and I will be happy that the offer was made. I would rather she accept but I can see where there might be more interesting places for her to be.

As far as the majority lead in the senate, it seems like half the people rumored to be on his list are senators. In some states losing that person would result in another Dem win, but in Missouri that is not a sure thing, so McCaskill's seat could go either way. We are not called a swing state for nothing. There is a political Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde bent to our state. McCaskill has been a good senator and would make a good VP but I'm not sure we can replace her here.

I'm with the group that doesn't want her on the ticket. One of my main reasons for deciding on Senator Obama was his lack of ties to lobbyists and other heavy hitters in D.C. I want an end to lobbyists writing legislation and big money handing out cash to sway votes. The Clintons came to D.C. from Arkansas pretty much without those ties but over the years have fallen into the mud like many other long-term politicians.

Senator Obama has already started to try to change party politics with the following:

"(AP) In his first order of business as his party's presumed presidential nominee, Barack Obama is instructing the Democratic National Committee to adopt his policy against accepting donations from federal lobbyists or political action committees.

The change will make the party and the candidate have a consistent position. Obama often says banning the donations is one way to help keep him free of the influence of Washington insiders. ... "

Even this ban isn't perfect but it goes a ways toward what I want to see happen under his leadership of the party.

"Obama's ban on lobbyists money is not ironclad. He does accept money from lobbyists who do not do business with the federal government and he also accepts money from spouses and family members of lobbyists. He has had unpaid advisers with federal lobbying clients, and some campaign officials also previously had lobbying jobs. ... "


DNC Bans Lobbyist Money, DNC Will No Longer Take Lobbyist, PAC Money Consistent With Obama's Position - CBS News

I understand why many want Senator Clinton on the ticket but IMO he would lose as many supporters as she would bring because so many are with him because he is the face of change for them.

I sympathize with Senator Clinton's supporters but don't think Senator Obama owes her an offer of the VP position.

If the tables were turned and Sen Clinton was the nominee would it be expected that she would offer the VP to Obama?

I don't think she is owed anything much less the VP slot. For her to think anything of the sort, shows a sense of entitlement which is why I believe people did not march along with her to the White House.

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oh, I don't think he owes it to her....I just want him to!

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I am not a Hillary supporter - well, I was not in her corner, but if she had won I would have vote for her-
Anyway, if she got the Democrat presidential nom, to be honest I would have wanted her to ask Barack to be on the ticket with her.
So I understand how the Hillary supporters feel and don't begrudge them for feeling the way they do.

Just my feelings on this. Not saying anyone here is all right or all wrong, I just see both sides in this situation.

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I wouldn't mind having Hillary on the ticket but, I would rather see her on the Supreme Court. I also think that she would make a fine Secretary of Defense.

And, if Hillary leaves the Senate, the good people of New York will give us another Democrat.

IMHO I would not want Hillary on the Supreme Court. She has way too many ties to too many people and groups.

RedLasso - The Daily Show on Pundits Declaring Clinton's Victory Inevitable

Do you think that Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas came to the court without major politicking themselves?

Certainly not with the Clintons baggage. Who doesn't know the name Clinton? Most people don't know the names of the judges being nominated.

Clinton left office with a 68% approval. GWB currently has 25% approval of the American people. The Clinton's don't have as much baggage as you think.

You don't really have to know the judges before they're nominated. You can bet that the Democrats who vote on the judges will.

You're funny.

You can bet that Bush knew exactly what he was doing when he put Roberts and Alito on the bench. You don't come to the attention of the president for his list on SC nominees without having made the "right" decisions in previous cases.

And that's good why?

The people that Bush selected were very certainly political first and only secondly interested in interpreting laws as they apply to the constitution. Haven't they already proven that much? Roberts had
only been on the bench for a very short while. Alito had countless cases where he'd ruled in favor of business over individual rights. I guess that's how they decided the Ledbetter case. What a travesty.

What I mean was, our general population doesn't really know much of anything. Our representatives are informed. Did you see some of the people who Bush tried to seat at district court level?

Did I say that was good? That was an answer to a question.

My goodness the Clintons have so much baggage it's not fuuny. So what if Bill had a high approval rating when he left, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a lot of baggage. People either love Hillary or they hate her. You know that. There's baggage there.....

Yep, and thank God for that!!

I doubt if it's God you should be thanking.

Is there any doubt that there are litmus tests for left-leaning presidents when it comes to the judges they appoint?

Of course not, but, unlike some holier-than-thou right wingers, we don't pretend there's no test.

Riiiight.

The left-wingers pretend that their view is the obvious, unbiased, logical interpretation and shake their heads that anyone might conclude differently.

The narcissistic left are just as agenda-driven as anyone. Moreso, IMHO.

You're funny.

You're funny. That's the joke of the day!

If it makes you feel better to see it that way, fabulous.

You're funny.

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Can I get some quarters from someone here? Looks like we need to add some weight to the stylus. The record obviously has a big scratch.............

"You say it best, when you say nothing at all."

Pssssst, mom2, I think it's a trick they must teach in law school that's supposed to get your opponent off-kilter.

That, or maybe it's what they teach you to say when you've run out of substance to support your point...