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Ok..LOL

I am going to vote Democrat because they say they are against the war..
but guess what they are sending us straight into another one.
Democrat sponsors of Congressional Resolution 362 (introduced on May 22, 2008), and Senate resolution 580 (introduced June 2, 2008) which will probably come up to a vote after the holiday.

Rep. Ron Paul Assails Congress's ''Virtual Iran War Resolution'' | BaltimoreChronicle.com

This will probably send gas prices soaring even higher as soon as it is passed.

Did you check the link? If not, you should. Really.

Ron Paul makes me laugh. I think his perfect foreign policy would be a ten foot wall around the entire country. Isolationism is not a solution.

Congressional Resolution 362 is a bi-partisan bill, BTW, not solely a Democratic-sponsored one. Senate resolution 580 is as well. Check your facts.

But top person that sponsored the bills are both Dem. others are co-sponsored.
I do check the facts.
H. Con. Res. 362 - Rep. Gary Ackerman [D-NY]
S. Res. 580 - Sen. Evan Bayh [D-IN] (I think this person has been mentioned as a possible VP pick for obama)

The foreign policy of Ron Paul is not isolationism..that is what we have today!
He wants free and open trade with EVERY country.

I did listen to the whole thing. Most of it is so twisted around it is funny.
The Republican party has changed alot over the years..that is why some are trying to change and take back the Republican party to its basic principlies. Less government.

That's just funny. Here's a hint for something you might consider: the alphabet.

Link

And S. Res 580? As of today has more Republican co-sponsors than Democratic co-sponsors.

Isolationism -- I don't think it means what you think it means.

It has nothing to do with the alphabet.

Edited to add link sponsoring and cosponsoring legislation: Information and Much More from Answers.com
"The sponsors of a bill are its principal authors. Bills often take their sponsors' names, such as the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Act, known for its three Senate sponsors, or the Humphrey-Hawkins Act, known for its chief sponsors in the Senate and House of Representatives. To demonstrate the popularity of a bill and to gather further support, sponsors will send out “Dear Colleague” letters, circulating the bill among other members and urging them to cosponsor it. The names of sponsors and cosponsors are printed at the top of each bill and in the Congressional Record."

The bottom line is that Democrats say one thing and do another. That are against a war but vote to fund a war.

Nonintervention is not the same as isolationism


I will not be on much today. So, I do not have the time today to argue the different points.
Hope everyone has a Happy 4th!

With that logic, there's no point in discussing it with you. Your misunderstanding of the bill is so fundamental, there's just no point in it at all.

And here I thought it was a sincere question/discussion.....silly me!!

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Thats the most ignorant thing I have ever seen....Sherri

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Democrats voted to fund a war that was presented to them as a total lie--not just a misrepresentation The facts put out there were KNOWN to be false by those puttingout the information. The problems was that the Dems made the mistake placing their trust in the words of these presenting the "facts", something they are now sorry they did, I am sure.

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Read the entire article (please note..no mention of Ron Paul). This article is from New Zealand Independent News Media.

Scoop: Ex Weapons Inspector: US Will Attack Iran

"In 2002, Scott Ritter, the former Chief United Nations Weapons Inspector In Iraq, publicly accused the Bush administration of lying to Congress and the public about assertions that Iraq was hiding a chemical and biological weapons arsenal.
By speaking out publicly, Ritter emerged as one of the most prominent whistleblowers...
is speaking out about what he sees as history repeating itself regarding U.S. policy toward Iran and the inevitability of a U.S.-led attack on the country."

"Resolution 362 introduced by Congressman Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat, has 170 Democratic and Republican co-sponsors.

The bill "demands that the president initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program.”

The resolution calls on President Bush to impose "stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran”


"Ritter said the public would likely become more outspoken on the Bush administration’s policies toward Iran if they understood how an attack on Iran could lead to an economic collapse here at home.

“You have to talk about what’s going to happen to the price of oil, the price of food. People have to focus on that. Iran does not pose a threat whatsoever to the average American. We’ve got this hyped up threat. We need people to understand that they are being sold a bill of goods. There is no threat. Our welfare is going out the door right now because of this policy."

I read it. It still doesn't support your allegation that the bills you cite are evidence that the Democrats will support a war against Iran.

I don't doubt BUSH wants to go to war against Iran. Hell, Bush would go to war against Canada if he could, he's simply a warmonger. Ritter's being disingenuous to claim that the Americans wouldn't support a war in Iran if they knew the facts. Most Americans already don't support a war in Iran, just like they don't support the war in Iraq. Bush lied, Mr. Ritter? Duh!

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I'm voting Republican because all the Dems are dead except for me???

I'm voting Republican because it's opposite day???

I'm voting Republican because I'm getting senile???

I'm voting Republican because I'm looking forward to a war with Iran???

I'm voting Republican because, gosh that Dick Cheney is just so darned cute and sexy???

And last of all, I'm voting Republican because if McCain is president I'll never have to take a sleeping pill for my insomnia??? I can just listen to him for a few minutes. I'm yawning just thinking about it.

Oh, you're lucky. McCain gives me nightmares. He looks like the Crypt Keeper, only not as young.

I'm voting Republican because

I hate this country and want to see it run in the ground as fast as possible.

I don't think that any woman has the right to decide what happens to her body.

I think we need to attack Iran based on a bunch of lies. After all, our nose is out of joint.

I believe that the rich don't have nearly enough money.

I just don't believe in facts.

Why did Democrats sponsor these bills and why will the majority of Congress vote in favor for these bills? I guess in a couple of days we will see who voted yea or nay.

Iran will probably see these severe sanctions placed against them as an "act of war" and will try to protect itself.
In the very least we can except the price of oil/gas to go up. Just based of the fear factor of possible war. Some experts have predicted gas will rise to $6 per gallon if the resolution passes.

We have already set up a blockade. That is considered an act of war. Iran has been trying to protect itself from us for a very long time.

Part of the reason that the speculators are driving up the price of gas would be the constant threats against Iran. (Look at a map)

Bush won't go to congress; he'll just nuke Iran. We have to see who wins out. Cheney wants to nuke Iran very badly. Condi is trying to hold him off.

These bills go way beyond a "blockade".
Anyway it will be interesting to see how Obama and McCain vote on the Senate bill.

Direct quotes from his book...yep those sure are scary!!!!! These quotes come directly for HIM...Yep I would be a little worried if I were you...I sure am...SHerri

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Have you read the book? Try it.

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Hmmmm, so, you think that just because someone is "rich", they should give up that money to someone that isn't?? If I worked my behind off and made it big, and someone chose to not do this, I should be penalized??

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Allinaugust, I agree with you.

I agree with you

The rich are paying a lesser rate of taxes than the middle class. I think they're very special people and should get another tax cut. Paris Hilton works hard for us all.

Just about any book can provide quotes, that when taken out of context can be inflammatory or "scary". Should we start with the Bible?

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Please NO !!!!

I do agree with your statement, and that goes for both sides of the fence. I'm sure there have been things "said" or "written" by or about both parties that fall into this category.

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Sher

If you really want to know where these quotes are from, the ENTIRE text of quote and where it is taken from, follow the links from this or the previous threads on this and you will see how distorted these quotes -- and in some cases total misquotes-- are and what they actually meant in the context where they were taken from. BUT, you have to truly be interested in the facts to do that.

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Can you show me a tax table for this one? 'Cause I'm not buying it.

I am voting Republican and am proud to say so!!!

These bills were originally written much like the one for Iraq, but had the teeth taken out of them. An attack on Iran would be the heighth of stupidity. (Which doesn't mean that Bush won't do it)

The biggest reason that the rich pay a lesser percentage of their income in taxes is that capital gains are taxed at a rate of 15%.

You do know that not only the "rich" pay Capital Gains, don't you??? I will ask again the question that wowitsdark asked:
"Can you show me a tax table for this one? 'Cause I'm not buying it."

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The tax rate for capital gains is a flat 15%. (I pay them too)

I found this in the New York Times:

The best source for objective data on the distribution of the tax burden is the Congressional Budget Office. The C.B.O. goes beyond anecdotes and bald assertions to provide hard data on who pays taxes. One can argue about the details of its methods, but there is no doubt that it is nonpartisan and that its tax analysts are some of the best in the business.

The C.B.O.’s most recent calculations of federal tax rates show a highly progressive system. (The numbers are based on 2004 data, but the tax code has not changed much since then.) The poorest fifth of the population, with average annual income of $15,400, pays only 4.5 percent of its income in federal taxes. The middle fifth, with income of $56,200, pays 13.9 percent. And the top fifth, with income of $207,200, pays 25.1 percent.

At the very top of the income distribution, the C.B.O. reports even higher tax rates. The richest 1 percent has average income of $1,259,700 and forks over 31.1 percent of its income to the federal government.

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The rates are actually a mute point. I do not believe those rates include tax breaks, charitable donations and such. I know we all have those type of deductions, but here's an example of how the rich take greater advantage. High Bracket Tax payer owns a business that grosses 1 million per year, but writes off everything and pays herself whatever is left, so a profit is never shown. It's called creative accounting and I believe the rich tier uses it much more than the middle class as they have the assets to do this. And my example is my husband's boss.

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A couple of links for people that are interested in the charts

Perot Charts » Charting Government Fiscal Irresponsibility

(look under the section on the side "Issues")

Taxation | Perot Charts
(link for charts on taxation)

(I am most concerned with the first chart under education).

National Taxpayers Union & National Taxpayers Union Foundation

If she pays herself what is left,doesn't she have to file a tax return on her "income"?

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I thought it was a "moot point" not a "mute point". Maybe I am wrong