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Old 07-14-2008, 02:48 PM
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Exclamation Muslim Obama Shown on New Yorker Magazine Cover

New Yorker Magazine cover shows Obama dressed in Muslim attire, American Flag in the fire, Michelle in an Afro, etc, etc.

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Old 07-14-2008, 03:24 PM
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There's racism wherever you turn. Pretty much proves moot the point that some people try to make about there not being racism anymore.
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:34 PM
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Although the New Yorker is known for these kinds of satirical cartoons, I think that it was in poor taste. I think it is racist - mostly to Muslim Americans.
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Old 07-14-2008, 03:54 PM
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Although the New Yorker is known for these kinds of satirical cartoons, I think that it was in poor taste. I think it is racist - mostly to Muslim Americans.
I'm really not that familiar with the New Yorker Magazine, so I really am wondering what people think about this? Is this something they normally do to other people too?
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:05 PM
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I'm really not that familiar with the New Yorker Magazine, so I really am wondering what people think about this? Is this something they normally do to other people too?
Yes. If you remember the old Mad magazine, New Yorker is kind of like that, but for adults.

It's just a parady of all the stupid things some people believe about the Obamas. I'm not crazy about the way they did it, but I think most people that read the New Yorker are smart enough to get their point.
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Old 07-14-2008, 06:06 PM
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Yes, they parody others... I'm pretty sure I have seen that mag previously depicting Bush as a monkey, Spitzer with no head/with his pants down, Clinton & Obama in bed together reaching out for the red phone etc.

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Old 07-14-2008, 10:54 PM
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This is the type of thing the New Yorker often does, BUT, this was extremely distasteful and racist. Don't know what the idiots in charge were thinking to allow this to get through with all the false cries of charges against Mr. and Mrs. Obama are already out there. Those out there who pass on and believe all those fake emails denigrating Obama will grab onto this as true...just as they scream out that those emails ARE true even when shown to be false. Racists ignore the truth and close their eyes to evidence to pick up on things just as this to prove thier point. People such as this will next be claiming that this is just actually an actual family photo taken from the Obama family album. Sad sad sad!
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I guess I am having trouble seeing how this is racist. Unless I missed something, being Muslim refers to a religion, not a race.

And my understanding of the liberal stance was that Muslims are to be embraced, just like people of any other world religion.

Don't get me wrong - I understand the satire and what the magazine was trying to accomplish. It just seems that in light of liberal positions, the way *he* is portrayed shouldn't ruffle any feathers.
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The New Yorker isn't poking fun at the Obamas, they're poking fun at the idiots who believe all the false crap written about them.
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Old 07-15-2008, 01:59 AM
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I guess I am having trouble seeing how this is racist. Unless I missed something, being Muslim refers to a religion, not a race.

And my understanding of the liberal stance was that Muslims are to be embraced, just like people of any other world religion.

Don't get me wrong - I understand the satire and what the magazine was trying to accomplish. It just seems that in light of liberal positions, the way *he* is portrayed shouldn't ruffle any feathers.

Check the portrait in the background and you will see a "picture" of Bin Laden.....inferring Obama's "allegiance" to terrorists.......definitely defamatory! Plus the fact the Mrs. Obama is "packing".....sad commentary
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:21 AM
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The New Yorker isn't poking fun at the Obamas, they're poking fun at the idiots who believe all the false crap written about them.
I agree completely. Unfortunately, just as some people laughed with Archie Bunker instead of at him, there will always be those idiots that believe the cover is accurate.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:22 AM
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Check the portrait in the background and you will see a "picture" of Bin Laden.....inferring Obama's "allegiance" to terrorists.......definitely defamatory! Plus the fact the Mrs. Obama is "packing".....sad commentary

But as was stated above, it's meant to be satire regarding all the rumors that are floating around.

It's not a race that is being highlighted - it's a religion. So would it be correct to say that religous bigotry, rather than racism, is the issue?
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:36 AM
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But as was stated above, it's meant to be satire regarding all the rumors that are floating around.

It's not a race that is being highlighted - it's a religion. So would it be correct to say that religous bigotry, rather than racism, is the issue?
I think it's a little bit of both....race and religion. There is a fine line in this case. A lot of Americans cannot distinguish a difference between race and religion when they hear the word "Muslim."

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I guess I am having trouble seeing how this is racist. Unless I missed something, being Muslim refers to a religion, not a race.

And my understanding of the liberal stance was that Muslims are to be embraced, just like people of any other world religion.

Don't get me wrong - I understand the satire and what the magazine was trying to accomplish. It just seems that in light of liberal positions, the way *he* is portrayed shouldn't ruffle any feathers.
And it doesn't get to me because it has anything to do with HIM as much as it reminds me that for some reason it still seems ok that we look at a whole sect of people (Muslims or people of Middle Easter decent) in a negative light. I get and appricate the satire for what it is, but it makes me a little sad that as a country we are still in this place. So, maybe the cartoon did exactly what it was supposed to do to someone like me....it was just a reminder that things haven't gooten any better and we are still in a negative place.
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I do find it interesting, though, that nobody has ever seemed to be teary-eyed about Bush or anyone else being satirized. They've always done this, and to those who have an affinity for the ones being profiled, it's not been worthy of so much chatter. I just saw a woman on CBS This Morning lamenting that they didn't have a conservative sitting at the bottom of the page with a thought bubble containing those portrayals. I guess she wanted to dumb it down just to protect him from the assumptions of those who wouldn't ever read the article. Sorry, gal, but that's not how that works.
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Old 07-15-2008, 03:36 PM
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I do find it interesting, though, that nobody has ever seemed to be teary-eyed about Bush or anyone else being satirized. They've always done this, and to those who have an affinity for the ones being profiled, it's not been worthy of so much chatter. I just saw a woman on CBS This Morning lamenting that they didn't have a conservative sitting at the bottom of the page with a thought bubble containing those portrayals. I guess she wanted to dumb it down just to protect him from the assumptions of those who wouldn't ever read the article. Sorry, gal, but that's not how that works.
Maybe because it this isn't about Bush....or being consevative vs. liberal. Maybe there are people (like me) that see it in another way. It isn't about fact that it was Obama, a donkey, or an elephant that they used to set the scene. If more people would step out of their partisan ways and look at the commentary it has on the country....you might see it in another way.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:58 PM
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:46 AM
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John McCain's turn...2 different covers

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Old 07-23-2008, 02:30 PM
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The New Yorker isn't poking fun at the Obamas, they're poking fun at the idiots who believe all the false crap written about them.
That was my take on it.
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Old 07-25-2008, 12:25 AM
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The Vanity Fair cover will NEVER hit the newsstands---will only be on their website and people will have to go looking for it....AND it was a tongue-in-cheek response to the NewYorker cover. Also the National Review is an ultra-conservative publication who, even on the cover, state they have created this cover to appease "liberals"...they were NOT purposely putting the McCain's in a bad light.
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