I'm still waiting.

Please define what you mean by "south side Chicagoians"

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Still waiting? Not worth my time going over and over this.

I'm done with this topic.
You have all given some fine examples of the mob mentality that has been talked about on here. I know a mod left because of it.
I stated my sources and if you don't like them that's YOUR problem.

A mod left because of you? Don't we hold ourselves in high esteem. Maybe you should take a minute out of your busy schedule and reread all these posts you have made. How do you think you come across?

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Oh brother....you didn't state any sources....none at all. None to back up your racist comments. Just went around and around.

Would you consider it a mob menatlity if everyone agreed with you and we all said "yeah" and "right on" or "my thoughts exactly"? It only becomes mob mentality when it doesn't agree with you or more than one person wants you to cite your sources or explain yourself. That is the way a forum works. You post something, people who dont agree, ask questions to get you to explain yourself and you answer.

I am at work and unable to post under my normal username for some reason, hence the almost same username......I am on my way home but had to post this as I couldn't stand it any longer.

NOOOOOO a mod did not leave because of me but because of the mob mentalitty on here. DUH You folks are obssessed with twisting peoples words and reading whatever you feel like into something.

Seriously? None of us are obsessed w/ twisting words around--that falls to you.

I pointed out that you had, at one point stated that stats could be skewed. Your response was "well, yeah, but not if they are from a source I find reputable..." Regardless of the source, statistics can be skewed and twisted to fit whatever agenda you want. You can't just waltz in here, blow someone's statistical evidence off with "stats can be skewed" and then turn around and present statistical evidence and expect it to be taken seriously when you, yourself have made the statement "stats can be skewed".

There is no mob mentality--I don't agree w/ Truble and Jaded and other posters you have accused of attacking you on some issues. There have been some issues that I have agreed w/ the so-called Republican conservatives. We don't all sit around trying to figure out how best to attack you. I wouldn't know 99% of the poster here if they walked up to me! You are not a victim, no one is picking on you without justification--You post drivel and vitriole and hyperbole and ignorant stuff most days and people with half a brain call you on it! That doesn't mean we're ganging up on you--you have a very high opinion of yourself! What it means is this: You are either completely oblivious to your stupid and ignorant comments, in which case, I pity you. Or you are truly as ignorant and full of hate as you sound, in which case I pity you.

Look, I know that I am not perfect. I have posted some hateful stuff. I have posted some ignorant and even stupid comments. I admit that. I have even been one of the ones campaigning for everyone to just ignore you--but I can't go on doing that if you are going to continuing to take a "holier than thou" attitude as if you've never done anything wrong and the board members are just out to get you! Get over yourself. Do you enjoy the drama and playing the victim? Seriously do you? Do you want pity and sympathy? If so, you've got it from me--I pity you and feel sorry for you. You must truly have some faulty wiring, or a chemical imbalance or a medical condition to really not see how you have presented yourself to the outside world.

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Seacrest-out!

I call bull sheet

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The truth hurts that much? It is sad that you aren't even willing to concede a teeny tiny bit that you could have been wrong on any subject matter. No one here would think less of you if you did--in fact they might even think better of you.

You can't even face reality. So, instead, you pretend to go away and play the victim some more. Poor (delusional) Kathytheshopper--no one likesyou, everyone hates you, you are just going to go out and eat worms. LOL Or even better--you don't like having to play by the same rules as everyone else so you'll just take your ball and go home.

I deal with people like you all day every day--You expect everyone to agree with you or bow to your superiority. NOthing infuriates you more than to be presented with a cognizant and cogent argument contrary to your very narrow view. Like I said, I know lots of people like you--I pity them, just as I pity and feel sorry for you.

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Originally Posted by jeanief
Most recent census was 2005....how can you possibly equate 3 year old stats to today?

To which your replied;


"Because those were the ones I found and it has only gotten WORSE since then. You want better stats you find them yourself! I backed up my statements with facts and sources and if you don't like them you know what you can do with them! lol"


Prove to us with CURRENT stats that they have gotten worse. Just prove it. Just because YOU say it has gotten worse is NOT proof to anyone here. Because you are just using your "guessing" skills based on your racist attitude. And you can stick your racist attitude you know where too....little miss perfect, never says anything disrepectful or unkind.....right?

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"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

The fact that there are more blacks in jails doesn't mean didley. Poverty and the decision to press charges has a lot to do with incarceration. In my area, there is a lot of "nudge, nudge, wink, winking", at the white kids who screw up. One of my kids got "escorted" home once. No charges, but my guess is that if he were black he would not have been afforded the same courtesy.

And, if you have money, you can afford a good lawyer to reduce or remove your sentence if you can pay more. Also, if you want to stay out of the jail, you can do home monitoring; however, you need a telephone line, transporation to the jail for random urine testingat any time of day, and $30/day to pay.

Stats are stats ........ they mean nothing unless you can analyze them.

Perhaps it was another "test"?

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I guess if people don't like south side Chicago stereotyped they should sue the wife of Jim Croce since his song states that pretty clearly...

Well the south side of chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named Leroy Brown

I mean lets at least look at things realistically - there are some places that are rougher, more violent, etc. Would ya'll be upset if the comment had been made about Compton or LA? Probably not, because it doesn't strike a nerve unless you have ties to a particular community. Now I'm not taking sides in this, just stating something that jumped out at me right away about this topic.

Tying this back into the other post because I don't wanna post twice...

To say that it's not race related is not accurate either (the part about south side Chicago). Decades ago some of the first African-American organized crime (mafia style) were thought to have originated in "south side" Chicago, while other groups had their organizations based in other parts of the city. And the African-American group of organized crime there outlasted every other ethnic based group including Italians and Irish Mafias. If you look up information about south side Chicago on Wikipedia you find - "The exact boundaries dividing the Southwest, South and Southeast Sides vary by source,[13] but following mostly racial lines, the South Side is further divided into a White and Hispanic Southwest Side, a largely Black South Side..."

Does this mean that all prodominately black neighborhoods are violent - absolutely not. As a matter of fact in the city I live near the most dangerous neighborhoods are those that are mainly Hispanic. It's unfair to say that any race as a whole is more violent than another, but it is fair to say that in "some" areas of major cities there is a direct link between a particular race and crime rates in that area - whether it's due to discrimination causing that particular race to become over poor housing and lack of jobs, or because a "gang" mentality has gone on so long that it has become a way of life instead of a choice.

Thank you Iluvmylittlemonsters!!!!

I think you missed what Shopper was really talking about. Of course, it was all just a "test," so we're supposed to pretend we don't know, but it was quite clear what she was saying.

Who was the mod? I am dying to know

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From World Net Daily which I think you folks like!!!
Do devastating hurricanes need help from affirmative action?

A member of Congress apparently thinks so, and is demanding the storms be given names that sound "black."

The congressional newspaper the Hill reported this week that Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, feels that the current names are too "lily white," and is seeking to have better representation for names reflecting African-Americans and other ethnic groups.


Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas

"All racial groups should be represented," Lee said, according to the Hill. She hoped federal weather officials "would try to be inclusive of African-American names."

A sampling of popular names that could be used include Keisha, Jamal and Deshawn, according to the paper.


Guess you better demand she resign her position for being such a RACIST!!!!

I don't remember but she made a thread about it explaining why, etc...

She understands perfectly.

If I still lived in Texas I would....not only is she racist, but incredibly stupid! Who really cares what a hurricane is named? The naming of a hurricane is not a battle that should be fought IMHO. Why waste the money on fighting over what to name it, when you could spend that money for more important things???

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First, I hope you're kidding about liking World Net Daily, which is a joke. Second, of course it's a stupid, racist comment. Fortunately for the Bush administration, stupid isn't illegal.

As someone born and raised in Chicago and the burbs, I know exactly what she was talking about. And in the context she used it in the other post, it was bigoted. It is quite clear.

Dunklemann, OUT.

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LOL!

BTW, Shopper, Jackson-Lee made those comments a few years ago, not this week. Better check to see if WND knows that WWII has also ended.

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Thinking Shopper just got her copy of the email mentioned in this Snopes link:

snopes.com: African-American Hurricane Names

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Who the F*(&* said it was made recently?

Fortunately for YOU and your like minded posters stupid isn't illegal here either!! lol

I think a better question would be why did you feel the need to bring up hurricane names in the first place? To deflect from the question at hand?

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Your source. Go read your own post. Oh wait, I know -- that was just a test, right?

Oh, ouch, that one really stung. I'm shattered.

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Neither are bigoted comments. So, I guess you are safe, too.

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Bill Cosby must be a racist too because I remember him making critical remarks about the names given to black children. I guess he's a racist too........

Provide a cite/link, please. You have a bad habit of making unsupported claims.

We're waiting with bated breath.

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Duh it refers to the insults I got about the crime rate in this town going up equally with the influx of the "south siders from Chicago" and that fact that if a Lashanesha gets arrested you can pretty much know who she is and where she came from. ANYONE in this town will tell you the same thing. Also the Iowa Public Defenders office must be racist too since their jail stats match what I have stated. But then again, NOTHING is good enough for most of you. I didn't see any of you taking on iluvmytwomonsters with her post backing me up. Oh yes, she's not your target! I am!! And everyone on here knows it no matter how much you like to say it's because I'm a whiner!! lol

LOL!

So, Kathy, here comes that "mob mentality" again....you really do not see how you contribute to the way these threads are going? You post one thing, when called on it, you say that the post wasn't meant that way or you deflect what you said so you don't have to answer any questions. Time and time again. There isn't any mob mentality. If I posted something racist or something as silly as you have posted out of the blue, I would expect nothing less than what you are getting right here, right now.

Put your big girl panties on and admit what you wrote and what you meant and stand by it or let people know that it was a mistake how you posted it and accept what is given out, instead of hiding behind your victimization and your persecution. It isn't becoming.

Just trying to help.


(when you speak in the present ie...."Guess you better demand she resign her position for being such a RACIST!!!! " it would only be reasonable for someone to think you meant today.

By the way, where are the statistics you cited in your "non racist" original post concerning who was doing allllll the crime in your area......of course you meant in the last week because you said so as well as those who were in the paper because you said so......so what is it....those in the past year or three years or those who are on the internet or those who are already incarcerated? What exactly did you mean? Feel free to start another thread to answer.....

I think if I posted "it's a cloudy day in Iowa" I would get slammed. Probably get insulted because I'm a conservative and no doubt it's cloudy because of global warming and George Bush!!! It is rather entertaining to watch you folks twist things around.

More than likely Ilovemytwomonsters is someone you know closely too!

Duh!!

No, because that can be proven by going to the newspaper or the internet and finding the information...it has nothing to do with you being a conservative or global warming or George Bush.....good grief!


Oh, and you forgot about Ted Kennedy!

I GAVE statistics. No, I said every week there's a Latrell or a whatever getting arrested for sometihing. THAT week it was robbery and looking for three muggers. I used those names as EXAMPLES. I also remember that no one responded to the question I posed about whether or not it's racist to assume that Kelly O'Grady is Irish? Are you all saying that O'Donnolly, O'Reilly and O'Brien can't be called Irish names? If you say people wouldn't initially think that you are foolish. Also, I'm taking about bigger crimes than your typical anytown USA crimes so the Press Citizen website daily arrests is not applicable to this. I'm taking robbery, rape, muggings, beatings, etc....

Is this what you was thinking about.
Bill Cosby Speech Transcript

No because you don't like internet info I give you. And I was just using that as an example of it really doesn't matter WHAT I say on here because one of you will twist it around.
Ted Kennedy-oh brother. Do you need a new shovel for your little sandbox?

YES YES YES!!! How do you think the posters would respond if I had written any of that????? They'd have a field day! Let's see what they do with Mr. Cosby!!!!!!!

Again with the "south siders from Chicago" thing.

Wow.

And the bigoted statements keep coming....

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

It's from the speech he gave on May 17, 2004 at a function held by the NAACP - excerpt below:

Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people. They are showing you what’s wrong. People putting their clothes on backwards. Isn’t that a sign of something going on wrong? Are you not paying attention? People with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack. Isn’t that a sign of something or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn’t it a sign of something when she’s got her dress all the way up to the crack -- and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body. What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail. (When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What’s the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up).

You can let out your bated breath now...

And as for whoever it was that said something about I must be a close friend of someone - don't place me on anyone else's soapbox - I prefer my own.

I have NO IDEA who she is.

Good heavens, what are you talking about? Cosby says those are strong, proud names and the parents should instill values in their children. Sounds like good advice to me and I personally can't stand Bill Cosby. WTF does that have to do with being racist?

Are your question mark and exclamation mark keys sticking? I think I see a problem.

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Let's see, their addresses are from Chicago.....it's a well known fact HERE that people are told in that area that they have a lot of services here and that's why people are coming here......you can ask them why they moved here and they will tell you that.
Crime stats PROVE everything I say. If you think it's racist then you have to have some racist thoughts to even come up with that............

And just for the record, I started this thread....and it wasn't to hear about hurricane names, old folk songs, or Bill Cosby.

It was to define what someone living in Iwoa was refering to when she quoted "south side Chicagoians."

And it is obvious now that it was intended at a bigoted statement.

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Here is the latest most recent arrests for the Iowa City/Coralville area:

press-citizen.com | Arrests

Are your question mark and exclamation mark keys sticking? I think I see a problem.[/quote]

If you look in a mirror you WILL see the problem.....lol lol lol

I explained all that BEFORE -those aren't the JAIL STATISTICS PEOPLE.

By the way-Lenell on Broadway street? Broadway is our little ghetto. Don't know too many white Lenells do you?

That's part of the problem shopper you never give links to the information you're quoting. Actually your mention of WND was the first time I noticed any sort of reference to an internet site. Do you know how to link or do you expect that everyone will just accept what you "quote" as being accurate just because you said so?

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Reread this......He is talking about giving our children strong names and not parenting them strong.

Yes, and no one has liked any of the stats/sources given by me.....
No one has answered my Irish name question yet!!!! Cause you all can't!!!

I believe there were other comments by him refering to those names but I can't find qucikly find a source .

What are you, five years old?

just in case you missed it the first time....

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Exactly. Great minds and all that.

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I also posted sites with the most popular names for African American children vs Caucasion names and no one has commented on that either.....WAIT that might help prove MY statement so of course that hasn't been addressed yet by any of you.......

It's a joke. Are your panties in a knot?

Now I'm really out of here.

I've got some mob business to attend to....

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Duh, You were talking about arrests every day, If I remember correctly. Where are they located? Where are those names....I posted yesterdays and the day before as well. No obvious sounding "AA names".

You said-
Be careful about the racist word. In our town the crime rate has soared which matches the influx of "south side Chicgoans" moving here. The town has a 4% African American population (quickly rising) but fill 36% of the jail space. And no, it's not racial profiling. About everyday there's an arrest of a Latrel or Kanesha for some crime-robbery, mugging, etc... There's a "ghetto" area developing in a certain part of town...Now would you call me a racist? It must sound like I am but the facts tell the truth here.
I don't know anything about Toby Keith. I know things can be taken out of context. I just hate to see the racist term flung so easily.

Tell me what is the difference between someone using the term "South Side Chicagoians" or the terms that was used to talk about individuals flying Confederate flag "rednecks" (others decriptive words I don't remember offhand).

Seems to me that the bigoting goes both ways. Most have a very bigoted attutidue toward "rednecks".
Seems like most are no better than what they are fighting against.

Ok, so I should have said every WEEK. Would that make you happy? And I did mention the types of crimes-not the simple arrests like so many of you keep posting.

NO ONE HAS ANSWERED ANY OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE POSTED!!! That sure tells ME something about all of you!!!!!

And for the record, I was just showing that those comments did exist. I'm not a racist person, but I do have the ability not to candy coat every single thing. I think it's people who refuse to see that there are legitimate issues within each race more so that other races do nothing but prevent progress. Lets be real. Most of your serial killers and child molesters are white males. Does that make me racist against white people by saying that .... um no. There are more black and hispanic gang bangers than white ones. Is that racist - no it's just a fact. By saying either of those statements it isn't saying that entire race is like that. It's just saying that what ever the issue at hand is, murder, rape, theft, etc., may be more prevolent in that particular race - and maybe it's time to step back and look at why that is. It isn't just a fluke. If people would accept the facts and really start to look at the underlying reasons then we might be able to make progress in reducing crime rates and bridging the gap between the races.

And I think what Bill Cosby was talking about was that why give your kids a ridiculous sounding name if you aren't doing it for the purpose of instilling the values behind that name. I never said it was racist, I was just pointing out what the person was asking for - they did ask for a source and I gave one.

If you wanna know if something is true, research it yourself. Otherwise you usually get misinformed. I was curious what the poster was referring to as well, since I wasn't aware of any such comments myself. So, I took it upon myself to actually look it up. I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with anything anyone had said by doing so.

I don't think he said it was a ridiculous sounding name, but I agree with the rest of what you said that I've quoted here. Which is not the claim that Shopper was making about Cosby's statement.

As for the part about researching it yourself, it's my expectation and, I think, that of most on this board that if you make a statement of fact you need to back it up. Shopper has a problem doing that and, when called on it, tends to resort to name-calling and making the claim that it was all some big test on her part.

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Iluvmylittlemonsters is correct.
I have backed up my statements about the crime problem and the race issues in this town with hard, cold statistics.

No, what Mr. Cosby was saying was don't give your child a strong African name without being the strong African American parent to parent said child. He never said the names were rediculous, you did. I understood exactly what he said.....do you?

Post them again, in one post so I can see them. They seem to have gotten lost somewhere.

Seacrest, out.....until I am home from work! Carry on.