Just saw this ad on CNN.com
The next 2 months will be something to watch.

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...m-ad/#comments

Another crappy ad from the wrinkly old white dude.

thanks for sharing with us.

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Wow, what an incredible comment from Ms. Clinton. Do you know when it was made and in what context? I had not seen that ad. I prefer more ads that show what the candidate has done vs the ads that show what the opponent has not done.

Either way - that a pretty powerful commercial.

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She said that because she was running against Obama.

It was made during the Democratic primaries, when Obama and Hillary were still battling to become the nominee.
I believe the ad's target is Hillary supporters.

YouTube - HILLARY RESPONDS TO RECENT MCCAIN ATTACK ADS

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Love that wrinkly old white dude!!! Bet that comment wouldn't have been made about a woman or a black person!!!!

I can guarantee that, since neither would be a "wrinkly old white dude."

I can't wait for the Dems to start pulling out all that nasty stuff between WOWD and Romney, should the WOWD pick Romney for his running mate.

LOL But, it could be Lieberman. They could run 2 wrinkly old white dudes.

Biden and Liberman are the same age (both born in 1942) McCain is 6 years older (born in 1936).

Your comment does have a lot of racial undertones to it. Just add the "y" to white.

Oh I don't know...I'm willing to bet that Hillary has some wrinkles......and let's torture Obama for 5 years in a Vietiamese war prison and age him appropriately and see what he looks like then!!!

Touché....but not just Obama...anyone!

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Yep which is why I found that comment nasty.

The guy is 70 something years old, of course he's wrinkled. He'd be wrinkled whether he had been a POW or not. I'm hoping you were just as offended when purple bandaids were worn mocking Senator Kerry's service at the republican convention 4 years ago.

BTW, the OP was, if I'm not mistaken, quoting the Paris Hilton ad poking fun at both Senators McCain and Obama.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Paris Hilton used the term "white-haired dude".
A big difference

Listen for yourself:

Crooks and Liars Paris Hilton Responds To Wrinkly White-Haired Dude

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I listened earlier before I posted to make sure. Paris said WHITE-HAIRED dude.
Not white dude. White dude does have racial undertones.
Paris was dealing with MCain's age not race.

I do find it offensive for someone to use the term "white dude" the same way I find it offensive to hear the term "black dude"

She very clearly says at the beginning of the video "wrinkly white haired dude". I thought it was cute and not mean spirited but to each her own. Hoping I don't offend but I'm voting for the skinny black dude with the funny ears.

Forest: After re-reading this thread I think you and I were disagreeing about different things. You were arguing "hair" and I was arguing "wrinkly". My apolgies for misunderstanding your point.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Actually I didn't watch the conventions four years ago but Senator Kerrys service record doe not compare to Senator McCains IMHO.

Hey Forretslayne-can you imagine what would have happened to me on here if I would have said something about an ad for that skinny black dude with the funny ears? All HELL would have broken loose on here!! lol

Oh how fun, maybe this thread can turn into another of the weekly everybody's picking on me shopper soap opera threads.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I wouldn't admit to watching that display of idiocy on the part of the republican party either but the fact of the matter is, it happened. As far as comparing service records, there were thousands of men who had it as bad or worse then Senator McCain. He survived a horrible experience and deserves respect, just as Senator Kerry's service to our country deserved to be respected but wasn't. IMO, neither man was or is qualified to be President based solely on their military experience.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Yep, that's true. However, how many years has McCain been serving our country either in the military and politics vs Obama?

So you base your vote on years of military and political service? If so, you should have voted for
Senator Kerry in the last election.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Just making a statement about McCains long history of governmental and military experience. Obamas certainly can't compare.

Are you really wasting your time using logic?

Neither "black dude" nor "white dude" is a racist comment any more than white lady or black lady. they are descriptive terms for someone. John McCain is a white dude and Obama is a black dude. The wrinkly part is also true.

Descriptive terms that are not stereotypical are not racist. Perhaps if someone said something about how you could tell how white bread McCain is by his name or something similar, perhaps that could be considered racist.

By definition:

Racisim: A belief or a doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that ones own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

But, I don't think people who truly are racist have an understanding as to what the word "racism" really is. Evidence here almost every day.

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In the content of how the term was used ...sounded degrading, etc. And it was dealing with race.
Maybe some do not see the "big deal".
I used the term racial: of, relating to, or based on a race

I do understand the OP was probably playing on the Paris Hilton ad but the omission of one word changed the whole meaning.

Indeed.

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First of all, it has never been a disadvantage in this country to be white. It cannot, therefore, carry "racial overtones".

Had McCain not been the son and grandson of admirals, he would have been grounded after losing the first plane, much less five.

I also do not think that being held prisoner for five and half years qualifies anyone for the presidency. For that matter, I don't think that dropping Napalm of human beings is an especially honorable thing to do.

Degrading remarks toward ANY human being based on race, sex, ,poor, handicap , etc is plain wrong.
The truth is that all races at one time or another have been degraded in this world.

lol You can tell things by a persons name and not be a racist-see your own definition. Don't tell me that if you saw the name Chung Woo you wouldn't think they were of Asian decent. And when I was dating that "black dude" if I would have used that term to point out a fellow black man on the street or something he would have definitely pointed that out. He would have said something like why did you call him that? Why didn't you just say 'look at that man with his pants falling off" or something to distinguis him other than race. But that's just my experience.

Are you serious???

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Absolutely.

Oh yes, being caucasian has been a disadvantage in this country--ever since "affirmative action" took hold.

OK--McCain didn't make the decision to drop Napalm on anyone, just like the Marines and Soldiers in present day didn't decide to invade Iraq. That aspect of your argument is extremely lacking. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you seem to be blaming McCain for the decision to drop Napalm in Vietnam. If that's what you're implying I find that offensive--and inflammatory to all men and women who served in Vietnam. They didn't choose to go over there, they were given orders to go over there. Much like the military of today was ordered to invade Iraq.

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McCain chose to go to Viet Nam. He requested combat duty. So, while I agree that MOST of the soldiers -- those that were drafted and forced to fight -- didn't make that choice, he did.

FWIW, responding to some upthread comments, I think the notion that the phrases "white dude" or "black dude" are racist is beyond ridiculous.

It's still greatly advantageous to be white in this country.

I'll excuse your apparent lack of knowledge in the workings of the military. Anyone that even hopes in the slightest to get promoted knows they have to take the difficult assignments. Also, being a pilot, you train for this type of assignment. So, since he "chose" to go to Viet Nam, we should blame him for dropping napalm, that he was DIRECTED to do??? I guess all the men and women who went to Iraq or any other place where we as Americans have killed people, should be held personally accountable for those deaths?? How about the young men and women who load the bombs on those planes???

Let's face it. NO matter what McCain has done, you will find fault with it. He could part the seas and you'd still have a problem with the man.

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OK, well, regardless of a person's policitical party---

Don't you think most people who join the military (any branch) do so with the knowledge that they may have to go into combat? Don't you think that is what the military trains them to do? Don't you think that most people in the any branch wants to go into combat because that is what they are trained to do?

You're nitpicking on crap and that is just juvenile on your part. Yes, he may have requested combat duty, but that doesn't alter the fact that he was just doing his job. Next thing we know you're going to be bitching because some police officer volunteered to go undercover and ended up having to shoot a "bad" guy. With your reasoning above, he basically volunteered to be a killer. .
We get it--you abhor McCain and "love" Barry. Just like we get that there are some here who abhor Obama, and love McCain. It's a dead horse, you can quit flogging it now.

ETA- You know, the more I think on your comment, the more angry I get. You see, I have an Uncle that served in Vietnam (2 tours--so at least one of them was of his own choosing). And your statement implies some really hateful and mean things about military personnel (in general), and especially those who have volunteered. The people that volunteer to do the hard work are the very people you should be thanking every blessed day of your life--because they are the people that allow our military to be a volunteer situation so you and your children aren't forced to enlist! How dare you imply that anyone who volunteers for combat duty is less than honorable??? But, of course, those that volunteer protect your right to be so self-righteous and condescending!

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I also wanted to add that no one is "forced to fight". We have an all volunteer military. It's not Romper Room you are signing up for. I get so sick of people pissing and moaning about that. If you don't EVER want to have to "fight" don't sign up!!!!!

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Puhleeze. You are so obtuse. Look that up. We are not talking about the same thing. Not at all but you seem to be the only one who thinks we are. You cannot say a "fellow black man" as you are not a fellow black man...first. LOL

Black dude is the same thing as saying black man only in slang. There is nothing racial about it. To say that you can tell the crime rate has risen because of people named Tyrell or Kenisha, THAT is racist. Get it now?

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We did not have an all volunteer military during Vietnam; far from it. Vietnam is not a war that we should have fought. All wars are horrible and full of atrocity after atrocity. There is no glory to be found in war. Although it is sometimes necessary to defend yourself or your allies, Neither Vietnam nor Iraq are wars that should have been fought.

McCain did volunteer. To the best of my knowledge, he never did anything that could qualify as heroic. I'm sure he was brave at times. He was a lousy pilot who should have been grounded. I mean, 5 planes? And, only once was he shot down. It just does nothing to qualify him to be president.

Whether it's his lack of taste in music, or the fact that he hasn't got a clue as to how many houses he has, his answer to everything is, "I spent five and half years as a prisoner!"

OK--see? That I agree with! Past military actions by a person does not qualify them (or disqualify them) for a political office. All wars are horrible, and I completely agree that we should have never stuck our noses into Iraq or Vietnam. But, that doesn't alter the fact that whether they are there because of a draft or because of volunteering, men and women in the military are just doing the job that they are told to do.

And McCain does lean heavily on the whole war hero thing--but I probably would too, if I were in his shoes. Just like, if I were in Obama's shoes I'd use certain things to my advantage as well.

So, I did misunderstand the gist of your original post. I apologize--thank you for clarifying your meaning and intent!

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Politicians can't win for trying with the whole military issue where Vietnam was concerned.

Quayle was bad because he went National Guard to avoid combat duty.
Clinton was bad because he tried to weasel out of serving altogether by having someone write a letter on his behalf.
Bush II was bad because he went National Guard.
Kerry was bad because he saw some combat, but not quite enough to make him as great an expert as he asserted he was.

Now McCain is bad because not only did he sign up, but requested combat.

Who are we supposed to revere? The men who signed up but requested desk duty in DC? Those who signed up and were forced into combat but didn't really want to go and stayed there for a long time against their will and refused to follow a couple of orders?

ETA: I have no clue if this makes me a racist or not, but I get two completely different mental images when I think "Angry White Woman" and "Angry Black Woman". White woman = witchy, snide, calculating, etc. Black woman - yelling, animated, expressive.

I revere no man.

That's the point--we aren't suppose to "revere" any of these men (and maybe a woman or two some day). If they use their military experience as a basis for why we should vote for them and not vote for the other guy--they are doing a huge disservice to those who gave their lives, who continue to slog through the mud, muck and sand daily, and those who have made protecting our rights and freedoms their job. The vast majority of people in the military do not see it as a springboard for a future in politics. Most join because they want to, and hope to gain either education or money for education out of their "hitch". Those that make it their career are truly dedicated men and women who feel that it's what they are meant to do.

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As ALWAYS you twist my words. I think anyone with any smarts knows that I was not referring to myself as a fellow black man but telling my friend about one of HIS fellow black men. Most of what I know about race issues I learned from a black man. So maybe HE'S a racist......... Regarding the other post he WOULD take offense to "black dude". His theory is that you don't bring up the skin color of an African AMerican, ie "black dude". However, white dude would have been fine with him. And he's the one who explained angry black women to me which is what I thought Ms. Obamas rminded me of (only a "controlled one"). So the issues you have with me are things I learned from a male African American. I find it ironic that wrinkly old white dude is not offensive but anry black woman is. Oh, Teresa Kerry struck me as an angry white woman-oh the racism!!!!!!!!!

What original post by KVMJ are you referring to??? I'm still confused.

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Oh, well, I stay confused! But, I'm referring to post #31.

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So are you really saying if you saw the name Ching Wong you would have NO IDEA that person is of Asian decent? Did you ever google the african-american baby names site? I rest my case.

Ok, got it. I thought you were referring to Truble's post "



McCain chose to go to Viet Nam. He requested combat duty. So, while I agree that MOST of the soldiers -- those that were drafted and forced to fight -- didn't make that choice, he did."


I think I get it now.

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If you're getting that from my comments, then I didn't make myself clear, because that is NOT what I meant. I was just pointing out that McCain chose to put himself in Vietnam, for better or worse, and didn't land there without some voluntary effort on his part. I don't make any assumptions about his character just because he chose combat. I was disputing the comment that implied that he had no choice but to go. Many men didn't have any choice and were drafted. McCain requested combat. That's the only distinction I was making.

You can rest your case all you want but it still doesn't make you right. what the heck does the baby name book have to do with anything? There are black people named mary or sue or kathy (believe it or not) as well as white folk being named Tyrell or Keneisha. The point you keep missing, ma'am is that a name should not be used to identify someone. You should not look at a name and judge what color the child or person is by that name. That is racist in the context you use it in and each time you wave the baby name dictionary, it gets further and further embedded in people's minds how much in the wrong you are.

I don't think that Mary and Sue or Kathy are white names. Jon of Jon and Kate plus 8 is Korean. His last name is Gosselin. I guess by your standards, I should be shocked when I first meet him that his name isn't Sun Youn Moon.

You don't get it at all. But try. For your own sake. Quit telling people to look at some baby book. I don't get the reasoning why you want someone to do so and even though you have been asked why numerous times, you haven't come up with the reason....I might have missed it - is so, tell me again why an AA baby name book is important in this conversation?

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when you are commissioned from the Naval Academy you know unless you are high enough in the class, you are going into battle especially if you are at the bottom. You don't have many choices of what or where you are going or if you get to be a Marine or have to go surface warfare in the Navy. Unless you have some pull. My son was in the top third of his class, chose Marine Corp as his first choice and knew he would go directly into battle. He did.

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Because names have a significance and a meaning. I didn't say ALL Tyrells or Kenishas are African American. Blown all out of proporation as usual. And of course you wouldn't look at that list because it would be in stark contrast to your average "white dudes" name. list And what about answering the question about a name like Ching Wong???? The odds are that it's an Asian person. Doesn't mean FOR SURE that is it but it is more likely to be as to not be.

You are so funny. That is not what you meant and everyone knows exactly what you meant. Ching wong.....LOL. I wouldn't bet in this day and age that the person with that name is oriental. Could be but I wouldn't make generalizations about the name. That would make me a racist to generalize and to stereotype someone or something by their name or a style of clothing or something like that. LOL

You keep dredging this up. Going back to the baby name book. I won't look at it because I think it is stupid for you to keep putting it up for your "evidence" of how you aren't racist or have racist tendencies.

And for the record, I don't have to call you racist. I think you are doing a fine job all by your lonesome. There is no pity for you, honey. People have tried to help you present your argument better but you won't come off it. Tells me that you want people to think exactly what I am thinking (and others here)

How it could have been worded: She seemed like she was angry. Her mannerisms were very angry.

If I saw the name Muhammed, I would not think of a Muslim terrorist. Would you? I am betting you would....or you would be getting the Muslim baby name book out so you could make certain that others know that this name is Muslim and therefore, whatever...........

I believe that in the future, anyone that I know who has the name of Kathy, is Catholic and is white will be a racist in my mind. Is that a fair statement? Hardly. I would never think like that.

I think i am done....you won't ever see it.

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