maybe some of the broo ha ha over Governor Palin stems from a jealousy in her success??? Or, for that matter, the success that any woman may have. A post in the thread about Gov. Palin's DS having Down's Syndrome had me thinking.....

"Based on previous discussion on these boards, I would guess that a fair amount of the readership would feel that moms with ANY (with or without Down's Syndrome) children should have to stay at home, not work. This tends to be a community that doesn't embrace successful, working women - only those who HAVE to work to make ends meet.

cj/"


Why would we, as women, pick apart another woman for her choice to work outside the home??? Maybe it's a deep seeded envy of her??? While I can understand not liking her political views, I can't understand picking at her for choosing to work outside the home. She is somewhat of a Wonder Woman. She juggles five kids, is a Governor (with a very good approval rating) and guts her own fish .

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I'm a succesful working woman. I'm not at all jealous of Sarah Palin. I have no desire to eat moose, rape ANWR, shoot polar bear from a helicopter, outlaw abortion, outlaw contraception, cut corporate taxes ot stay in Iraq forever.

After seeing the polls, I'm so happy that he picked her.

Me, too! For once, something we can agree on!

Zogby: 8/30/09

McCain/Palin 47%
Obama/Biden 45%...

Woohoo! It's like we got a Christmas present or something!

In short - No

You're citing a poll from a year from now? I guess these elections are rigged.

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I see it all the time, not just here, or even the internet, but everywhere.

I'll admit I know very little about Palin. But I don't fault her at all for accepting the possible VP spot.

I'm sure that it's not the best possible scenario for a baby with Down's to have a mother that will be busy traveling so much. But then it's not the best to have single mother who has to work at Wal-Mart. Very few people live in an ideal world.

I'm sure Palin's baby will be better off then the majority of children in the U.S. With a parent and older siblings at home to care for him. The absolute best education, medical, and early intervention care.

From the little I've seen, Palin appears to me to be a strong, spunky, intelligent (though the creationism theory challenges that) woman.


Her political views are worlds apart from mine, so there's still no way I'd vote for McCain and her.

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If you define jealousy as not wanting to vote for her ticket because she supports creationism, is anti-choice, is a Robertson supporter, has not foreign policy experience or knowledge, then you have called why I would not support her as jealousy. IF you believe that women are so insecure and jealous of each other and want to keep them "down" you are hanging out with the wrong women. The women I surround myself with are supportive of all women--supportive of ALL their choices, be they reproductive, career, educational, sexual preferences, etc. My experiences with women is, apparently, not as limited and limiting as yours.

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Wow, you support ALL their choices.....ummm let's think.....we can check these on your approval list then:
Career-running for VP with a Down Syndrome baby.....ok
Cindy McCain having an affair with John McCain way back when he was still married.......ok
Any woman having an affair with a married man.........ok
Believe in creationism.....ok
Is anit-choice.......ok
"Supportive of all women-ALL their choices". So you should be FINE with Palin being anti-choice!!! Glad to see you are consistent!!!

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LOVE that movie and song!!!! Just quoting the poster and matching up some facts/ideas with her quote and that makes me not have a brain? Ummmmmm. My son got a 99% on his ACT-wonder how he managed that with his mom not even having a brain...........

Public service announcement - The ACT is a series tests - each scored on a point scale of 1-36. A composite score is the average of the tests, again scored on a 1-36 point scale.

Maybe from his dad.

As to the OP, my answer is no.

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What an IDIOT you are!! My CHOICE is to not support their platform...BUT, not to take away their choice to have an incorrect platform. She can CHOOSE to have as many incorrect choices in my book as she wants--I am not taking those choices away from her. Is that plain enough english for you to comprehend? Or do you need me to draw you a stick figure picture?

And, by the way, I NEVER made any sort of comment about any child with Down's syndrome, nor said it was any of MY business of any man/woman having an affair on their spouse (unless it is MY spouse it is not any of my personal business).

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I was just thinking the EXACT same thing. You don't get a percent grade on the ACT. I have a son in college and like the PP said it's scored from 1-36. NEVER have I seen a percent grade on the ACT. HMMMMM?????

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Sometimes, KTS "tests" us to see if we are paying attention. Perhaps this was just another test?

A 99%? What exactly is that score? My sons got (not to brag but just bit for a minute) a 32 and 31 respectively and my oldest got a 1340 on his SAT. None got anywhere near a "99%". Explain, please.....

I respect and appreciate Sen McCains pick. I imagine how the entire thing went down was he was sent a list of about 10 women who all had things to pick from...he took the one who answered the best things that were missing from his ticket....now if there had been a woman who was a Vet or in a wheelchair, he would have had the trifecta. LOL.

The fact that she is under investigation for abuse of power and the fact that he didn't meet her until a few days before the announcement tells me a lot about how the decision was made.

I personally would not run for office. I held a public office for twelve years of my children's lives. It was hard and it was time intensive. I had a baby while in office and while he didn't have any health problems, there was no way I could devote enough to him while I had other responsiblities for our community. I can't imagine myself being VP of the US. Doesn't mean she can't do it. I wouldn't do it. I am not jealous of her in any way.

Where are the people who complained that Hilary was a terrible mother because she was not there for Chelsea baking cookies and being PTA mom? And Hilary was just the first lady?

If these questions have been answered already in other threads, sorry. My son just got married and I have been away for a few days but this topic was one of the debated subjects at the rehearsal dinner. It was generally the consensus amongst both McCain supporters and Obama supporters that this was not a great choice for McCain. Interesting.

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Now, Truble! I think you might have to admit you're projecting.

Duh........he got a 34 wihich is in the 99& PERCENTILE. Sorry you all aren't aware of the corresponding percentile score that goes with it. . And this was without studying. Yes, his dad is very smart but so was my dad and my siblings.....so some of it is from me. Sorry to dissappoint so many......lol

Do you ever get tired of being who and what you are? I mean really.....

You feed off of pissing people off, and creating chaos. I'm hoping you children do not get that trait from you.

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Yes, I don't think you made any negative comments about her chld. I didn't mean to imply that you did just that you would be ok with her choice since you stated you support women and their choices. So, you are supportive of a womans right to choose and make her own decisions. So doesn't that mean you would support Cindys "right" to have an affair when John was married. I took that to mean you would support her. And, for your education, I am not an idiot and it's too bad you have to call me names when you disagree with my 'choice' of freedom of speech....ummmm..................

I'm quite happy with my life and thankfully my children have inherited my kind heart and sense of humor! My boss just told me the other day that he can only pray that when his sons get older he has as good a relationship with them, and as much fun, as I do with mine. You know we aren't always the way we come across on here in real life and I know my writing style aggravates some people on here.

and you see....that's what dumbfounds me! You know you come across as an inbred, ignorant, racist, stupid and hateful witch--and you just don't care!

I don't necessarily care if people think I'm a witch (I can be), I don't care if people here think I'm blunt and sometime mean (I am blunt, and can be mean)--but my God! I would be appalled if someone, ANYONE, thought I was stupid, ignorant, hateful and/or racist. I would evaluate my "writing style" and make an effort to at least put forth an effort to present myself as a decent human being! You have said over and over again how happy you are, how people compliment you on your children, etc. That's great!
I once asked if someone accused you of being a Christian would there be enough evidence to convict you. You do realize that includes your WHOLE life--not just the "real" life? That includes your internet life/persona.

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IIRC, the complaining about that came up when Hillary herself mentioned that she could've stayed home baking cookies but she didn't.... and the implication was that she had done something *better* than women who stayed home with their kids to those who had done just that.

I'm trust that if I'm recalling that incorrectly someone will correct me.

Or, they'll gladly tell you you're an idiot or on a witch hunt or who knows what all else to deflect from the current topic at hand......

Why was it I thought this wouldn't turn into a "why did John McCain pick her??" thread


Thanks folks, it's been fun.

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I didn't answer because I didn't understand the question or perhaps didn't understand the assumption that you used in the OP. I didn't see where anyone had a problem with her working outside the home but some of us had a problem with her (and this is my own belief) jeopordizing the health of her baby by taking on the VP candidate role at this time in his young life. I've always worked as have all of the women in my family and my circle of friends so I wouldn't dream of criticizing her for working outside the home.

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Well, I absolutely think that some (not all) women are jealous of other women who are more successful than they are....or prettier....or more popular...whatever. And they will do whatever they can to try to knock the woman down. It happens here, there, and everywhere.

Another thing that I have learned over the oh-so-many years of my life is that some people are capable of much, much more than the average individual. Thank God for these highly capable individuals - they are the cream of the crop, the stars in the sky, and the momentum that makes for a better world. (Yeah, corny....sorry ) Based on what Gov. Palin has accomplished in her life so far, I believe that she is one of the highly capable...

cj/

ETA: One need to look no further than Martha Stewart and the scorn that she generated from other women to see what I'm talking about. Many women here were just vipers toward her showing a double standard compared to men accused/convicted of similar crimes.

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Who is "they"

AIA -- Do you think the "broo ha ha" over Palin stems from jealousy

KV -- said "no"and then indicated how she has no desire to be what many find attractive in Palin. Also cited some unknown poll

WID -- cited another poll and apparently thought she could sneak her psychic ability past us

NO -- said "no"

Truble teased NID for the date snafu

WID teased Truble back

Truble then accused KV of being jealous due to not being a beauty queen

Jen -- not jealous, doesn't have an opinion about the ups or downs of the baby thing, won't vote due to differences in policy.

Jean indicated she could only be considered jealous if one considered the fact Jean is against most of Palin's policy opinion. She added she hangs around woman who are supportive of all decisions and (perhaps but I may be reading into this) woman who want to limit other woman's choices are the jealous ones.

KTH -- I have no idea what that post is about, but things went down hill from there. I'll take credit for the down hill slide ,,, but ... COME ON .................. look at who (again) doesn't add to the conversation yet says something so idiotic it changes the conversation ....

Perhaps, if you don't want the conversation to take over your question, you should make a poll.

allinaugust, interesting question. And you gotta love the fact that she can gut the fish! LOL!

I DO think many people - even women (which never makes sense to me, but it does seem to happen) - don't know what to think of a woman who pushes our views of what a good mother should be outside of her role of MOM.

Lots of people are intimidated, or at least put off by women who are in power positions in our world. If people just think back to even 2 years ago and earlier, there were so many Hilary "HATERS" out there. Why is that? I could see if people felt that they either agreed or disagreed with her, but why "HATE" her? To me, that just pointed to a feeling of being threatened by women in power (again - by both men AND women, I believe). I imagine we'll see a great deal of similar negative energy directed to Gov. Palin once people decide they've "gotten to know her" a bit more. There are male politicians that can get under people's skin, but never like women do.

As far as whether or not I feel envious of her, I don't think so. It's admirable that Palin could have an amazing career and what seems like a beautiful, fulfilling family life at the same time, but I don't imagine it's all it's cracked up to be. Something's got to give. There aren't enough hours in the day, so Gov. Palin must end up missing things that I take for granted, like rifling through a coupon message board, playing my piano, doing fun, open-ended activities with my kids. We're not that scheduled (at least we haven't been for the whole summer!), and I love that part of our lives.

While I don't believe I'll be voting for the McCain/Palin ticket, I'm excited to know that if Obama loses, that there will be an interesting, intelligent WOMAN who brings a great deal to the office. And I don't kid myself - neither the president nor the vice-president do much without their many teams of experts/consultants, anyway. It's not like she'd be in a vacuum making big decisions. Would I want to trade places with her? No way! But I'm intrigued by her, while I'm still baffled by the reception that women in power get in this day and age!

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Naw, it's downright FEAR, fear that the republicans just might have one uppitied their messiah's campaign. If it were a Democrat in the same asituation they would be praising them from the rooftops.

Hilary has never "threatened" me.. she has pretrified me though! Her policies did anyway.. She is crass, she comes off as uncaring & purely power driven. Very caniving, the whole senate run was strictly used as a means to get to her real goal, putting up with infidelities for her own goals made it even worse. I cannot say any of that for Sarah.

I don't think it has anything to do with jealousy. I think it has EVERYTHING to do with partisan bs as usual. It's fine to not agree with what she says she stands for. By all means, that's what it's all about! BUT the petty going after on whether she is a good mom and such is partisan drivel.

I wonder more why women of the conservative bent are so willing to raise the issue about discriminatory stereotyping when it is a woman running who embraces their ideals, like Palin, than when it is someone who has supports polices that they don't, like Clinton.

Could it maybe be that the real difference here are policy issues?

And if this was an issue for you, a real issue about the hostile nature that some women have when judging other women, why you didn't express it earlier, when Clinton was running?

It strikes me that you are making a convenient argument that doesn't address the real points of the problems that people have with Palin. It also strikes me that if this was actually a concern of yours, you would have raised it earlier, during the very nasty attacks on Clinton. It also strikes me that you are trying to cover up very obvious problems in your candidate by evoking bias in decisionmaking.

Same reasons liberals do it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing with you. I happen to agree with you on what you posted above.

I think it's a mix of some Democrats disliking Palin because her policies and politics go against their views and some Democrats hating her purely because she's a Republican. Those people would praise her instead if she were running on the Democratic ticket because they see everything as Democrat vs Republican. For some, it's not about the issues, it's just us vs them and they see everything as black or white, all Republicans bad, all Democrats good. LOL.

Well I'm sure glad you got that straightened out. It's a relief to know that it's such a one way street and that no Repubs act that way. I'm breathing easier now. I was so worried that all the hatefulness and vindictiveness that has been spewed in the last several months has come from only the Dems. Shame on you Dems!!!

This thread is about the Republican VP candidate Palin so naturally, I haven't seen one case where Republicans demonstrated hatefulness and vindictiveness toward her simply because she is a Republican. I never said that there weren't Republicans who hate Obama for the same party line reason. I said that some Democarats see all Republicans as bad and all Democrats good with an us vs them mentality and you have certainly proven my point! LOL.

And it's a crying damn shame when people just toe the party line and vote for someone based on the party affiliation. Regardless of who the better person is for the job--let's vote for the Democrat/Republican because the other side is wrong!

Whatever happened to voting for the person best suited to do the job!?

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Well I haven't seen a case where Dems demonstrated hatefulness and vindictiveness towards her simply because she is a Repub. in this thread either. Except for the comment about her running as a Dem. That was pretty hateful. Now I'm going to have nightmares and it's all your fault.