OMG. The girl is really pregnant. Right now.

Yep, this is a girl that needs her mother even further distracted from her family’s needs.

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That is certainly different then the first rumored stuff about Palin child not being her's but her daughters.

Things like this happen in hundreds of families every year. Regardless of if there is a stay at home mom, etc.

I do hope the best for Bristol.

Edited to add: I hope the press will behave themselves and leave this girl only.

Having had a 17 y/o niece who got pregnant---I can honestly say that, yes, this girl needs her mother. No matter how good her Dad is, there's no way he can understand and empathize w/ pregnancy.

I could defend the working mother argument---lots of mothers work. But, I'm thinking this woman really has no handle on her personal life.

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Yes, this seems to be more of the norm in America. Babies having babies. The press will try their best to make this awful and in truth, it's so common now. I don't see any big deal in this.

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No matter which side of the political spectrum you're on this is just sad.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I dont think its a huge deal at all 17 & 18yrs give birth in the US everyday & most of our grandmothers or great grandmothers probably got married even younger than this I will still vote for McCain

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What about girls that do not have mothers, (death, etc)?
The article also stated she will be getting married. So, I guess she will have someone with her. Also in-laws, grandparents.
Mom's are not always in a great relationship with their daughters.

Honestly - a clever sitcom writer couldn't make this stuff up any better ..........

There is NO WAY McCain et al knew about this. I don't believe Palin knew and if she did -- shame on her! Already the rumors about her having that child's child in April and now that poor child having to go through this. What kind of parent would purposely do that twice to a teenager?

So, she thinks nothing of her water breaking and taking a flight from TX to AK, endangering a newborn and the people on the plane (emergency landing and all that) and now she is going to allow her daughter to be dragged through all of this ....

Honestly, this is perfect timing for McCain to do a "do over."

I think the other post about this subject was deleted. Anyway, I will repost some of my thought on that thread.

I do hope the press will behave themselves and give this girl her privacy.
I would say the same thing if she had an abortion. She is not the one running for office.

I know some will say this says something about how Sarah Palin raised her child. But everyone raises their children the best they can. Some families have to deal with pregancy, drugs, stealing, etc.
Children end up doing stuff the parents have no control over.

I just hope for Bristol sake her name is not run though the mud.

If anybody should be leaving politics to spend more time with her family......

This speaks far more about Palin's poor judgment than about poor Bristol's. What kind of mother, known for her ultra-conservative stances, would thrust her unmarried, teen aged, pregnant daughter into the limelight for her own political gain?

I deleted it because I didn't see the other post. I must have done it while you were responding because I didn't see your post. Sorry about that.

As for the press behaving themselves --- Oh Come On "Mom" has put her smack dap in the middle of the mud.

I guess this puts to rest the conversation about who watches the kids.

Family values my big tooshie

How did she throw her daughter out there? Just because Palin is running for VP?
She had to do the press released because the information had already been drugged up.

If anything I found fault with the press for making it public knowledge.
The press reports on stuff they want to..just look how they looked the other way for months, and months on John Edwards.

*sigh*
Yes, my niece got married as well (of course that lasted less than a year), her "in-laws" turned on her and refused to call 911 as their son beat the living crap out of my niece. They did take the baby she was holding so he didn't get hit. Of course, my niece had all of her extended family--but that does not alter the fact that she needed and wanted her momma.

So, yes, while I know my personal experience is an extreme case--it goes to illustrate that a girl (regardless of age!) needs a mother (or mother figure) in her life at such a critical juncture in her life! I can applaud Gov. Palin's drive and determination---but, I think she may be too driven.

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Not true. This wasn't reported anywhere until Palin released the information. And she took the VP nomination knowing that this info was going to come to light. She not only threw her daughter under the bus, she ran over her herself. Nice maternal values.

[quote=forrestlayne;3038920....The press reports on stuff they want to..just look how they looked the other way for months, and months on John Edwards.[/QUOTE]

They were doing their job, he lied. It's sad beyond words that this is happening to the family but don't blame the media for talking about it or the public for wanting to know about it --

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I really think people are desperate. Looking for anyway to turn it around that she is a bad mother. So, she should not run.

They but this press atatement out because the liberal blogs already had the first rurmor going. They knew before long it would be reported..but already was in blogs. I will look for that info.

It is curious that Sarah Palin removed all pictures of herself from the state websites during the time that she was pregnant..

It does indeed become curiouser and curiouser.

The rumor -- started in Alaska ages ago -- was that Trig was her daughter's. To counteract that rumor, Ms. Palin revealed that her daughter is currently pregnant. In other words, to protect herself, Ms. Palin tossed her daughter out the window.

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You and I do not know her maternal values....a parent can read all the books, go to church everyday, do everything to a T and still, ultimately it's up the the child to make her own decisions. A parent hopes they make the correct one, but it's never guaranteed.

They had to respond to the media's stories that simply weren't true. She is taking responsibility for her actions.

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well, I do not see how Palin family was going to hide the fact that her daughter is pregnant. Rather deal with it upfront then lie like some(such as Edwards).

So, do you think that any woman polictican such quit their job in Congress when something like a daughter getting pregnant, drugs...How about a man polictican?

Please stop trying to make this about something it's not. This isn't a feminism issue, this is a parenting issue.

No, she's using her daughter's actions to further her political career. I couldn't care less that Bristol is pregnant -- this isn't about her, it's about her mother's actions. And I certainly have a real good idea what Ms. Palin's maternal values are right now.

You wouldn't be saying that if Palin were a democrat and you know it!

Speaking of which, I would love to know what some of the posters saying essentially "it happens every day, no big deal" would be saying if it were oh say Senator Obama's daughter in 5 or so years or Chelsea Clinton today.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Earlier, I essentially said what you just wrote. Along with babies having babies. It's basically an epidemic in this country and yet this girl will be made an example. I don't condone it and I am tired of it. It doesn't make the child mother or father an adult just because they could get body parts together, but we treat them like they are.

We coddle them, we have special classes and babysitting in the schools. We give them food stamps, medical care, and further educational opportunities, among all the handouts. Then we allow them to get federal tax benefits for head of household or earned income. It actually pays more to not get married, but to those who do, most of those marriages don't last.

I don't want to deny the young people anything, but it's become so common and accepted that those who keep their lives reasonably in order suffer as well. We make it too easy for babies to have babies. Their bad decisions should not be a burden on the taxpayers.

Most will jump on Palin's daughter's pregnancy to turn it against her. I can't say if she knew, if she purposefully accepted, if she will step out, etc, etc, etc. It's not only a reflection of her mother, as some wish. It's a reflection of her parents, family, her surroundings, our "society", and the decline of personal resposibility in our country.

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Exactly, They didn't "deal with it up front" They could have easily hidden it until after the election. I wouldn't have thougth twice about the girl being busy with school and/or being shy and not wanting to be in the spotlight with her mom. I wouldn't have even noticed which of her kids was around. The election is only 60 days away. Hiding it would have been super easy.

So, I am thinking they are letting this out and in a few days, Palin is going to "step down." And, they can blame it on all those horrible "liberals." LOL It is actually genius if this is their plan.

I am not necessarily passing a judgement about what any other politican should or shouldn't do. I don't think her being around more for her daughter would make a difference and I am sure her husband can handle anything that comes up with the kids. My thoughts have nothing to do with what she should do for her personal issues.

My thought is that this is a perfect opportunity to the McCain camp to get a do over and not suffer too many repercussions because of Palin's current family issues.

I do not think it will work the way you are wishing for.
The RNC convention is going on this week. McCain and Palin is suppose to accept the nominations sometime this week. Todays RNC activites have been toned down because of the hurricane.

edited to add: who do you think he should pick instead ...all of them have lots of cons with picking anyone on his "short-list"

Interesting slight of hand you present..but I do not think it will happen.

Hmmmm - why do I feel like you would post nothing remotely like this if this woman was actually the VP on Obama's ticket?


"Nice maternal values," huh? Let it play out. And try to keep those closed-minded remarks to a minimum.

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I think this is all part of his plan to see how she polls. If she polls well, she stays. If not, this is her "out."

wonder what the boys' family think about all of this?

Suddenly, they will thrust into the spotlight as well. It's hard enough being a teenager, much less a teenager who's pregnant, topped off by your mother being the headline in most major newspapers, websites and magazines.

I feel sorry for this girl and the boy involved....

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Tom Ridge.

As a data point for why I believe this is a perfect opportunity for McCain to change VPs, my husband (who has never voted for a Democrat in his life and who has loved McCain since before loving McCain was in fashion) told me Saturday, after researching who Palin is, that he could not in good conscience vote for McCain with Palin that close to being the president. And, it has nothing to do with being male or female.

Being pro-choice would have been a big con with the conservative base. I remember reading several news articles that the were lots of McCain supporters that did not like Tom Ridge

The Republican Party has set itself up as the "decider" of morals and family values. They have been attempting to impose their commandments for everyone else, no birth control, no sex before marriage, no abortion, no gay marriage. And as such Palin and family are hardly setting a fine Republican example. So why is it okay for her and her family to defy those "values"? As one of the arbiters of those values, she and her family should be above reproach. It seems the minute one of the Republicans gets out of line the line changes and excuses abound. In other words, the "rules" only apply to the rest of us. For the "annointed" the rules are merely suggestions.

This type of things happen to all sorts of familes. Rep and dem. Same as drug usage.It is a sad thing but it happens to the very best of families.
No one can control what their children end up doing.

Yes, he bought votes by selecting a relatively incompetent person who, statistically speaking, will be POTUS in three years. That is exactly why my husband won't be voting for him if she is on the ticket.

The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the industrialized world. The Center for Disease control says that one-third of girls get pregnant before the age of 20. Teenpregnancy.org, a site managed by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, states that there are "750,000 teen pregnancies annually. Eight in ten of these pregnancies are unintended and 81 percent are to unmarried teens."
So, she's in the 1/3 of girls who get pregnant before the age of 20. At least she's haing the baby. Does that mean all these girls moms should be held responsible too? She sounds like a supportive mom. Kids make mistakes. At least she's taking responsibility. Ohama wouldn't want a girl to be punished with a child......

Because you know nothing about me? Because you're wrong, again? Because you like to make snide, snotty, irrelevant and incorrect comments? I bet I can come up with a hundred reasons why you'd feel like that, not a single one of them accurate, since you're so quick to assume the worst of me.

Speaks very highly of your character and your open-mindedness.

I have seen families that are great upstanding "family value" people and their children are in prision because of drugs. Is that the fault of the parents?

Unless you are with your children every moment ... you do not know what they will do.

When I was in high school (over 25 years ago) there were people that had sex on the school bus, sex
in the bathroom, etc. Did the parents, school officials know ..nope.

Once again, the point is not what the child did when her mother wasn't looking, the point isn't that the child is pregnant -- the point is the mother's current behavior know that she knows her family situation. Pregnant 17 year old, four month old baby -- sure, why not run for VP!

Instead of jumping to conclusions how about these thoughts.....
We don't know anything about what the Palins discussed AS A FAMILY about her running for VP. We don't know much about the daughters situation-has she dated the father for a long time? Were they already planning marriage? We don't know the discussion between McCain and Palin other than that McCain KNEW about the daughter before he announced his choice.
Do you think people on here are mature enough to at least give it a few days to get more info before they are dragged through the mud?

And the point still is that these children have 2 parents not 1.

Devinsmom is one of the kindest posters on here!!!!!! Me think thou doest protest too much!

EXACTLY -- The Democrat leaders aren't advising and encouraging people to put their fingers in their ears and say "La, La, La, La"

Dear God, do you really not read anything before you respond to it? Nothing I've said can remotely be responded to with that comment.

I understood her comment.

Am I wrong in thinking that you think that Palin should not run because she has a 4 month child and a pregnant 17 year old daugher that she should drop out as VP candidate. You also stated that you would feel the same if it was a man running for VP.

No I will not look up links for you..but info is out there about other children in high - level politicans families with major problems.

Edited to add: I see nothing wrong with the Dad helping with the children.
Salary for a VP is high over $189,000.00 without adding in benefits.

Yes, you are wrong. Everyone except her is wrong and good for you to not bowing the constant link demand.

She didn't want her to run because she has a 4 month old. Forget the new situation coming to light. That's where you were wrong.

dl

Making more statements you can't support. Ho, hum, another day here at MC.

I'm sure she's pleased to have your endorsement, knowing how much it means.

I am confident that had the Palins waited until Bristol gave birth, her critics would have thrown a fit saying the Palins hid her pregnancy. Now that they have announced her pregnancy, the Palins are accused of using it for political gain. Clearly, she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. In reality, it's a situation that takes place in many families. Does this mean that Sarah should not work anymore? Bristol is practically a legal adult - she is not a 13 year old who got pregnant. I'm sure Sarah and Todd will be there for their children as they have been. If she's not elected as VP, should she step down from being the Governor as well? So Palin has a 4 month old? Lots of women nowadays are working mothers. Are we saying that only mothers can care for their children? How about children need both parents - a mother and dad - which the Palin children have.

I also feel confident in saying that if Sarah were a democrat running for VP, her critics would take the opposite position and highlight the fact that she is a mother, wife, and a political force to be reckoned with.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

Closed thread....post count at 50. Please feel free to open a new one on the same topic.

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