Some are calling AIP a secessionist group, some calling it separatist. You read and decide. It's certainly not a "Country First" group!



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She's now saying that she was only a member for 2 years in the 90s and did not attend their convention. She's lying.

Well let's see......After 20 years with Rev. Wright Obama's never heard any of those nasty speeches, etc... He's lying.

Palin's church is kind of strange......

Obama didn't say he never heard any of the odd ideas; but nasty?

I swear, it's like a witch hunt around here.

The Democrats will use anything to skirt around the real issues and get the focus off Obama and his inexperience. Plus, Obama stayed in a church that preached hate, was racist and 'damning' America for over 20 years and the only reason he left was because of political pressure.

If I were a democrat (thankfully I'm not), I think I'd be keeping my mouth shut about perceived made-up shortcomings of Gov. Palin and remember Obama's shady past with all sorts of characters that can easily be brought up.

I think that God probably did damn America for its treatment of blacks. I do not think He smiled on slavery, lynching or the crushing poverty and lack of opportunity. I do not think that he smiled when exterminated whole tribes of Indians. I think that the Rev. Wright is probably right about that one.

Frankly, without this Black Liberation Movement, I think blacks might be right where they were 50 years ago.

OH MY GOSH=CALL AL SHARPTON=CALL JESSE JACKSON=someone used the word "racist". And it wasn't even little ole me! lol

Do you even read the posts, yours and others before you hit submit? What on earth are you talking about? MTT said that she felt the reverends words were racist. She already called them that......

Perhaps you should get a dictionary and find out what exactly constitutes a racist or a racist post. Weird.


ETA: And the discussions about little old you being a racist are from your posts, not your using the word racist. Geesh.

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You are quite confused but I expect that.........

You are quite a stitch, aren't you. Reading and catching up on the posts today, seems like I am not the only one to ask you the question as to whether you read before you post and then reread your own post before.....seems like good advice.

I am not bashing you, Kathy. I am responding to your posts. I am also not confused, not at all. Not about what is a racist, who is racist nor how the word "racist" is used in any conversation.

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Nor am I. I am bashed whenever I use the words black, race, racist, white, blue, purple or pink. Since M2T actually used the word racist and no one got bent out of shape it made me laugh. I was bashed for mentioning the "racist" website of Obamas church and how drastically it changed after it was brought up in the news. Why is that more racist than someone saying the preacher/church was racist?

Kathy, you missed the point. I don't remember which post of yours you are talking about but I imagine that you using the word "racist" is not what got you bashed. As a matter of fact, I am sure of it. I would like to see what your post was and some of the comments made after it.

Since you believe that you are a victim of post bashing any time you use certain words, maybe that is a clue that you are not using the words correctly or the words you are using are not forming thoughts that other posters can follow, KWIM? You think you are using the proper word, but in reality, you are offending someone somewhere. I am sure this has been said to you before. If you used the word racist in the fashion that M2T did then you should not have been bashed but since the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior (I watch Dr. Phil), then I pretty much think that it is what else is in your post that is offensive and not the word racist.

I tell my kids, when you think everyone is wrong except you or you think that everyone is out to get you or everyone else is mean, you better look in the mirror because it might just be you. I also told them that when you begin to think everyone else but you is crazy, then it is you who is crazy. Do you see what I am saying?
For me, if I felt like I was being bashed everytime I posted or that there were multiple people saying that I was coming across a certain offensive way, instead of attention seeking by continuing on the same way and then crying the blues that everyone hates me, I would quickly vow to look at my posts, read them aloud to someone else before I hit send. Or be a big girl and take it like a woman, whatever comes down the pike,

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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! Sister.......but you know the libs...there are one set of rules for them and one set for everyone elseSherri

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Obama has been in the spotlight for well over 18 months and people have been digging up his past. Palin was thrust into the spotlight due to her vagina last week. She has not yet given an interview or answered any true journalists questions. She has not volunteered any information about herself. It is in everyones best interest if we find out as much about her as we can since she will be on the ballot in a few short months.
The fact is she is not forthcoming to the American public about any of this. Once the information is found then the tap dancing begins. Like it or not this woman on the ticket is a slap in the face to the women who have paved the political way for her. McCain choose her for his own political gain. He needed a woman, one that would shock the world, not necessarily the best female for the job.She is not a breath of fresh air, she is as calculating and ruthless as the rest of them. Her twisting of the few facts we know is proof of that. I have to chuckle every time she says " I said no thanks to the bridge to no where." The money for that darn bridge was already earmarkded for other projects long before she said anything. She was simply acknowledging what had already taken place.

Cynical, IMHO

Didn't even read what you wrote.......don't bother replying to my threads......

I would rather be known as cynical than a lemming. The GOP has put out the biggest joke ever and is sitting back while people fawn over the pick. They couldn't write a comedy this good.

You quoted her just to tell her you didn't read her post?

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Why in the world would you say she is a slap in the face to other's who have paved the way? I seriously teared up when I read that. How pathetically sad that you would actually say something like that.

I don't know why, but I am seriously shocked by the hate spewing from the left for this woman. I don't understand.

Melissa

Started to but knew it was similar to what drops out of animals behinds so I didn't waste my time.

I have bitten my tongue for too long. That "vagina" word is out of place. Say woman..or gender.
Sexism is as bad as racism.

Do you honestly think that Obama got where he did on his "experience"? No, it is on the fact that he is black.

I do believe that both of these canadiates were chosen over other canadiates for that reason.

Excellent post!

Newsflash..... Obama is of mixed race.
Why is vagina out of place. It is simply a part of the female anatomy The GOP needed a female, any female. Sexism;prejudice or discrimination based on sex. That would apply to McCain, he simply went to Palin because she is female and had the required hoha.

Because it sounds so juvenile.

So true, let's use hoha for vagina and your word for penis which, if I remember, is thingie. I feel so grownup.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I didn't bring this up. We could go with Oprahs term-the va jay jay!

Even if you believe that Palin was chosen solely because she's female, it's a moot point because Obama was chosen solely because he's Black. Or have you convinced yourself that it's his great wealth of experience that got him nominated? LOL.

Rats, I spit coffee on my monitor. I can't believe anyone will tell you that the word "vagina" is juvenile, or that it's "out of place."

PRDNME, that was an excellent post and you're absolutely right.

Beyond that, there's no point in even trying to reason with some of the crazy stuff said here. It's like Bizarro-World, what some of the conservatives have said.

Of course I can reply to your rediculous threads. As long as you keep churning them out, I will reply to to them. Which gives me posting security much like job security. I only reply to the silly ones.

I have not been mean to you nor have I been rude to you. I am making sense which pushes a button in you. You know it and so does everyone else who has any common sense.

Put me on ignore, but I am betting you won't. You need the drama in your life so you can cry victim. That's okay. I get it.

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I know he is mixed race..but that is overlooked.
All it is "first African American" running for President.
The American part of him is white (his mother).

I do think that your posting of the word "vagina" is extremely low-class gutter talk. The same as that the Dem party needed a penis to lead them rather a black penis (not racial..descriptive). In other words the "party for the women" (as they bill themselves) picked a black penis over a vagina.

How sad, that you think using the proper word is low-class gutter talk.

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How sad that people can not have an intelligent conversation on the ISSUES that are most important to this country. Instead people are slinging "descriptive" words for the main reason for trying to make something sound degrading.

I would love to see the reaction if the word "vagina" was used in the national media in reference to Palin.

Vagina is degrading, now? Dear Lord, I hope you don't have any children to pass that on to. And, if so, I hope you had c-sections, so they didn't have to pass through your -- gasp! -- vagina!!!

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Vaginia in the proper use of the word no problem. Degrading when you use the word in a certain "text".
Example: you can use the word "black" in a certain text and give a degrading meaning. "black anger", etc. You can use the word "black" in other way and it "sounds" fine Obama is considered a black man.

It is the intent of the meaning of the word. The intent clearly is being used as a put-down.

It was used properly in the original post.

No human being with a penis and her sparse qualifications would have gotten the VP nod from McCain. He didn't nominate her for her experience, he nominated her because she possessed that most important of qualifications: a vagina.

If that offends you, it's John McCain you need to take it up with.

She appeals to the far right Christian movement and McCain believes that because she was born female, Hillary supporters will vote for her.

I do think they were looking for a woman but Palin fit the ticket better than the other women on the McCain's short-list
Very little to do with getting Hillary voters.

They were going after the conservative base vote. Some term it as the "evangelical vote". This is the base that McCain was going after.
Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news - CNN.com

Palin fit the experience bill better than Kay Bailey Hutchison, Carly Fiorina, Libby Dole, Jodi Rell?

Dang you for making me spit coffee on my monitor again!

Too funny.

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Found this article, an interesting read:

Alaska Party Official Says Palin Was Not a Member - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

September 2, 2008, 10:32 pm
Alaska Party Official Says Palin Was Not a Member
By The New York Times

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state’s secession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.

A front-page story in The New York Times on Tuesday and articles in other news media reported that Ms. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party for two years in the 1990’s.

The information in the Times article was based on a statement issued Monday night by Lynette Clark, the party’s chairwoman, who said that Ms. Palin joined the party in 1994 and in 1996 changed her registration to Republican.

On Tuesday night, Ms. Clark said that her initial statement was incorrect and had been based on erroneous information provided by another member of the party whom she declined to identify. The McCain campaign also disputed the Times report, saying that Ms. Palin had been registered consistently as a Republican.

After checking the party’s archives, Ms. Clark said that she could find no documentation that Governor Palin had been a member of the party. She said Ms. Palin attended the party’s 1994 and 2006 conventions and provided a video-taped address as governor to the 2008 convention.

Ms. Clark said that Ms. Palin’s husband, Todd, was a former member of the party.

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The only 1 you list that was on McCain' short list (if I remember right) is Kay Bailey Hutchison (who is pro-choice)/ Which does not appeal to the "evangelical" base.

Ah, but for the most radical on the left, that is the single litmus test a candidate must pass in order to wear a halo.

All others, please get in line for your spanking - verbal and otherwise.

I agree. I have had a problem with the use of this word this way, as well. I'm sadly not surprised at some of the people using it in this way, tho

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Another interesting article/link.

Western Standard

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Speaks volumes about John McCain's judgment in putting together his short list, then. He was willing to overlook qualified female members of his own party in favor of a male from a different party.

Remember, Palin doesn't agree with McCain on every item, either. He deplores earmarks and she wallows in them.

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I always wonder if you all speak this way in real life to your Republican friends, if you have any.

Wallow is such an extreme, goofball term.

Right now, that's the system. The citizens of the state of Alaska pay taxes into the federal coffers. For any given state to receive any of the monies back that their citizens paid for the use of the state, they must apply for federal funding.

I'll bet if you asked Sarah Palin if she'd prefer that any and all monies paid into those coffers by Alaska's citizens get to simply stay in the state and not have to be sucked to Washington so that congress can decide which state gets to use it, you'd hear a resounding yes.

As things stand, the only way to get a piece of the pie your own citizen's tax dollars funded, you have to apply to Washington.

Would it be responsible of her to refuse to try to receive some of those on behalf of Alaska based on her own belief that it's not the best system?

My understanding about the Bridge to Nowhere was that by the time congress got around to granting that wish, it was no longer really a viable thing. In fact, it was a $400M bridge and the earmark they were going be awarded would've paid about half of that.

I helped a social services related entity complete the application process for $100K in earmark money this year. The project for which they had been seeking funding will cost about $400K. They were requesting $400K and by the time the congressional committees got through with that spending bill it had been whittled down to $100K. Now the question is, "Can we DO the project at all? Do we just refuse the $100K? Can we come up with the other $300K?" It's a quandry, that's for sure.

My understanding is that Palin essentially told congress, "We need the money and we want the money, but we don't want it for that project anymore. Can we keep it and use it for something we DO need?" and they said yes.

Call it wallowing if you want. I assume it's just common sense. I also assume you only hate her so much because her stance on abortion differs from yours.

Well, you know what they say about assuming. Always good to see the proof of it.

Did they teach you these tactics in lawyer school?

Funny how there is no comment on the disproving of Gov. Palin being a member of the AIP. Oh, wait, that goes against the "dirt" they are digging up, so I'm on the "ignore list"......ooohhhhhh the HORRORS of it.

That's right, bury your head in the sand. Don't try to get to the bottom of things, just the things that you WANT to be true. Hmmmmmm, says a lot about a person, doesn't it???

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The following is from a poster commenting on the above article. It's a bit of topic but does speak to the "double standard" on at least 2 levels.

Shame on the NYT for not sourcing better but kudos to them for printing a correction.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Hmmm, good point. I wouldn't hold it against Gov. Palin, tho, much like I wouldn't hold the fact that Maria Shriver is a Democrat, against her Republican husband, the wonderul Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, from the Fine state of CALIFORNIA!!!!

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Sadly, I think we will see much more of this.

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Yes, that is something they teach in law school. How you use what you are taught falls under ethics and morals. It's been my experience that the very best attorneys either behave ethically and morally (there focus is on quality of cases, not quantity), or the behave unethically and have questionable morals (ther focus on is on quantity, not quality). Now, I'm not saying this applies to every single attorney in America--just the ones that I have dealth with personally. I will add that my job requires daily contact w/ attorneys.

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Sorry, marilyn - I wasn't clear.

I meant the badgering, name-calling, and sidways incinuations about the intelligence of posters who disagree.

I would assert that while it may be helpful in getting someone who knows critical information to fess up, this is a very different opportunity for interaction, and directing hyperbole at posters and politicians absent credible discussion of the issues is more tiresome than effective.

what I stated still holds true. Your ethical attorneys know when to shut the attorney "speak" off and discuss things normally. The other, never quite stop being the attorney.
You have to know your audience, and to speak in a manner that best fits the topic, and the people involved.

Again I deal w/ attorneys just about every day--when we're talking business it's a whole different tone and manner than when we are discussing the Razorback game, or our kids, or local news or gossiping.

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Let's not leave out the total disregard of "evidence" by ignoring certain things that are posted. Perfect example would be this thread...... hmmmm ,a little more time spent on "discovery" might be a good thing.

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Well, call me tiresome but I would like more then what appears to be your conclusion that: "... Palin essentially told congress, "We need the money and we want the money, but we don't want it for that project anymore. Can we keep it and use it for something we DO need?" and they said yes."

Especially since during her speech after being introduced as the VP she clearly left "us" with the impression that the bridge to nowhere money was refused.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

That's not what I took from her statement.

I thought the heart of it was, "We're not going to take tax dollars and spend them on stupid stuff."

Not that she was against spending them on necessary stuff.

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