I read this article last week in World Magazine. Yes, it is a far right publication. I found it online and thought you guys might be interested in some of the quotes from some of his "followers". eek

here is just a taste...

"The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance."
Jesse Jackson Jr.

there are several more. If your interested, here is a link to the article.

WORLD Magazine | Today's News, Christian Views

again......it's just creepy.

Melissa

Creepy isnt the word....I think I just threw up in my mouth!!!!! He really thinks he's the messiah and the really SAD part is that people are treating him as if he were!!!!!!!! YUCK>>>>>Sherri

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Here's something even more creepy as it was said by the supposed "messiah" himself.


Entire article at:
George W. Bush and the Personality Cult - Associated Content

When Senator Obama starts believing the messiah talk as George Bush apparently did and does, I'll start to worry.

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I also believe that God wanted Bush to be president. And Clinton too. And if Obama gets in, God allowed it. So Bush was pretty right on there.

I also believe that God speaks through me. Not that I'm a prophet, but that I am used by God. So in Christian "speak" these thoughts are not that out there. Good try though.

But Jackson thinks another chapter of the Bible could be added. eeewww. Not to mention the rest of the creepy comments.

Melissa

Obama might be considered by some as wellspoken...but too creepy for me.
The quote below he used in several speeches during the primaries this year.

Political Punch

"My job is to be so persuasive that if there's anybody left out there who is still not sure whether they will vote, or is still not clear who they will vote for, that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany," said Obama in New Hampshire , "and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama."

That's very, very scary!!

Forrestayne........I got a picture of glass eyed zombies going to the polls. You know like the ones in the horror films?? Arms up, blank stares being led to the "truth" by their new leader, Obama. eeewwwnesss!!

like I said......creepy.

Melissa

Why not write a new chapter since everyone interprets it to suit their needs anyway.

Yikes! Not a pretty picture!

Excellent suggestion and it's happening right here on this thread already. You're a prophet!

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

What is happening on this thread???

Melissa

What you said is MUCH more creepy. seriously.

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I going out on a limb but my interpretation of what George said meant that he prays about his decisions and asks God to help him with them. I think he means that is how God speaks to him. Not like he's seeing God and having a cup of tea and conversation. He means he feels confident that God is directing him in his decision making. Nothing wrong with that.

He said "God speaks through me". My interpretation is he thinks whatever he does is at God's direction. If I were to believe that then I would have to believe God lies which George Bush has certainly done. The God I believe in doesn't lie. Nor IMO is there a man or woman who walks this earth through whom God "speaks".

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Just as soon as you think that Jesse Jackson couldn't get any more ludicrous, he always opens his mouth and proves you wrong!

If you truly believe that all men are equal, then you realize just how far America has come and realize this is a significant event in history. The postings show ignorance of that. Less than fifty years ago, people of color in many places couldn't even drink out of the same water fountains as you, Melissa et al. Now, a person of color is in place to be the next President of the US, the same country that 50 years ago wouldn't let him ride in the front of the bus in lots of cities or get a job or go to school with people not of the same color.

Your posts deny that this is a significant time in history. Your making fun of how important this is, the fact that he can even run and that he is ahead of the regular candidate tells me how afraid you are and says much about you all.

I hope you aren't telling your children the things you post here. I would hate to think that the ignorance is perpetuated. You dislike the Democratic choice because of his political stance but it comes in clearly that you do not like him because of his color. Jesse Jackson was speaking about how significant this time and Obama is in the historical making department.

All the candidates are giving speeches designed to convince someone to vote for them. That is why they do it. They travel from state to state, give speeches, debate, have convention speeches so someone will vote for them. Obama's statement about convincing someone is exactly what is going on at the Republican convention this week. Everyone that goes to the podium and speaks is giving a speech designed to convince those who may be on the fence about the VP pick or wants to know what the presumed Rep candidate is planning to do is the right thing and to vote for him/her.

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You forgot about this: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"
BBC - Press Office - George Bush on Elusive Peace

About Sarah Palin's pastor:

Got that? If you're not a Republican, you're going to hell. What a wonderful message from a man of God!

He's not done!

As for Sarah, well, apparently the war in Iraq is a holy war.

A task from God? I hope any Jewish or Muslim soldiers know what they're fighting for. Maybe Sarah needs to clue them in.

I know, some of you don't trust the source. Maybe Powerline or the freepers will cover it for you.

Link

According to Sarah, all Jews are going to Hell.

I wonder if Joe Lieberman knows yet.

Yup, he spoke before John Hagee's group this summer.

so he's just selling out all around. Well, he'll fit right into the Republican party then.

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I understand this and I think maybe people who don't have a deep relationship with God don't get it.

Equating this with something biblical is out of line........
Yes, this is historical. Clap, clap, clap. Likewise if you truly believe women are up to the same tasks as men.

Huh? George Bush said:

And Shopper said:

So you believe George Bush was "directed by God" but object to bringing biblical beliefs into a discussion of civil rights. Dr. King and President Johnson and all of the others involved in the civil rights movement couldn't have had the same relationship with God in their fight for civil rights as you seem to think George Bush has in whatever the heck he's doing in the middle east? Wow!!

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

I would think that after the whole Rev Wright fiasco, the lefties shouldn't be touching this with a ten-foot pole. And before you say that Obama doesn't let his religious teachings interfere with his politics, remember that he says that he opposes gay marriage ONLY because of his religious beliefs.

The "rev" should know better than to say something like he did. The Bible is a sacred text.
I didn't say anything about King or Johnson or anyone elses beliefs. I was addressing how President Bush seems to feel and that I understand how he feels and what he is saying. It's simple. Why do you add all this fluff?

I've looked for a cite to support your statement that Senator Obama opposes gay marriage because of his religious beliefs but couldn't find one. My understanding is that Senator Obama thinks gay marriage is a state's rights issue.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

You know what, I respect that especially since, from the same article:

Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

He did not let his personal religious beliefs influence contrary viewpoints or the rights of others as the Federal Marriage Amendment and the Defense of Marriage Act would have.

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

The arrogance in this post is astounding.

You know nothing about me. I said Obama was creepy, what other's are saying about him is equally as creepy. And the sad thing is, he probably is starting to believe. Now THAT"S creepy.

You know next to nothing about me.
In no way did I ever deny that Obama being the nominee is significant. But, do I have to like him because of his color??? So, I have to like and have a deep appreciation for every black person I meet simply based on the color of their skin??? He's arrogant, period. And I don't like him and that in no way makes me racist.

Obama made history. But to imply that another book be added to the Bible because of it is beyond absurd. Along with all the other quotes in this article. again............eeewww!!!


You are ridiculous to imply what I teach my children is racist. For your info......my dd is 21 and ds is 19 and they think quite well for themselves. They are intelligent, well informed educated ppl. And they are not the slightest bit racist. My third child is mixed. Black/Japanese and White.

Again.........your arrogance is astounding. Why don't you quit telling ppl what they are and worry about yourself. ugh!

Melissa

Let's just say that if you believe God speaks to or through George it is my belief that He is just as likely to mention a new chapter for the Bible to Reverend Jackson.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Christians with a deep prayer life believe God guides them. That's been true for 2000 years. To make a comment about a new chapter in the Bible for this historical event is immature and offensive.

Just as I'm offended, as a Christian, by having a President who takes our country to war based on his "conversations" with my God. The God I believe in guides us daily but allows us to make our own decisions good or bad. If you really want to get down to it I'd be pretty darn p'd at God if I believed he had any hand in getting us into the mess in Iraq.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Yes, God guides up daily but allows us to make our own decisions good or bad. I think that is the same thing George means. He felt comfortable that after much prayer with God he was doing the right thing.

If many are Christians on this board as they say they are, then obviously you (Christians) have read Revelation. You'll find a great amount of prophecy being fulfilled right now and in the coming years. God definitely knows what is going on. Do a little research and reading and you'll find that Russian, the United States, Iraq, Iran and China as well as other countries are mentioned in the Bible and it's all falling into place just as God intends. Heck, God even knows already who the next president will be.

IMO, there is a world of difference between being guided and making choices and believing "God told me" or "I speak for Him" or "He is speaking through me". Maybe George just has a higher opinion of his relationship with God than most of the rest of us claim or he's batcrap crazy. JMHO of course.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

You know, I was going to apologize to Mellissa about inferring her into the above post because I was in the airport waiting to come home, posted and then reread the thread and wanted to edit but didn't have a chance until I got home just now. Melissa, I apologize if you took offense to being called a racist. What I was trying to say is that I don't see respect for what is about to happen. An AA or a woman will be in the White House. How far we have come as a country to what we profess to be....a nation of people who are equal in every way and offered every chance to succeed. So that we do not see the color of someone's skin but the content of their heart (paraphrased from MLK)

I never said you had to like Obama or any black people at all as I can see where that might cause problems. What I said was in response to the making fun of someone is uncalled for. To call him creepy is juvenile and wierd. Creepy means:

producing a nervous shivery apprehension <a creepy horror story>; also : eerie
2: of, relating to, or being a creep : annoyingly unpleasant
— creep·i·ly -pə-lē adverb

I wouldn't call Sen. McCain creepy. He is a fine candidate but I don't like his political stance. But I don't stoop to calling someone who is to be admired for his life work a name. The fact that Sen Obama is running for an office as high as the Pres. of the US is to be admired. He also has spent his adult life in service. To use the word creepy to describe either of these fine men is junior high school and as I said before says much more about you than the put down to the man.

I did not say you have to like, admire, fawn, care about, sing to all black men or women. I didn't say there needed to be a book added to the Bible. What I did say was that this is a historical time and JJ stated that it was such a historical time that it could be added to the bible. Not one of you have acknowledged the historical significance of this event, the first AA or woman being able to run for public office and could possibly be the next President or VP of the US>

You are right, I don't know you, Melissa....except by the postings you have made here at MC. I don't know Kathy or FL or MTT or Truble or Ana or KMVJ etc... either, except by the same way. I see some people who post here are kind, considerate and smart and they are on both sides of the liberal/conservative debate.

The only way to know someone is by their postings. A while back you, Melissa posted and it stuck in my mind about how you felt that his race might overshadow the presidency like it did his church. I guessed you meant that he would call himself "The President of the Black America". (that is what I imagined you meant) and that his being proud of being black (unashamedly black) would seep into his presidency and it wouldn't be a good thing. I remembered that.

And I can tell you this. There are many people who have children who are bi racial and are still racist. There are all kinds of people who say they are not in any way a racist but won't vote for a black man or any woman to any office because of the color of their skin or their genetic makeup. (now I am not saying you, Mellissa are a racist at all) Because someone has a child of another race, or dated a man outside of their race is not proof of them not being racist.

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I will take back my statement that Obama is creepy. I will stand by the idea that he is some kind of messiah is creepy. It does send shivers down my spine that some are lifting him to messianic status. He is a man. A man who is good with the English language. Just a man. His accomplishments will be written in the history books, but to even imply that what he is and does rises to Biblical proportions is blasphmous at best.

Why would I not take offense to being called a racist??? It is offensive. I know myself and my family. I know how we've raised our children. I know in my heart that we are not racist. You can choose to believe what you want.

I did say that I was afraid, after seeing what church he attended especially, that he would not be a president of the people, but to those he relates to. It still is a concern of mine. That does not make me racist.

AND......I think that proper due has been given to the fact that he is the first Black presidential nominee. So, should we just vote for him because he made history? We have indeed recognized the historical significance. Does it have to be said in every post that is made about him?? In every thread? Every few days??? He cannot be criticized because of this status?? I don't like him. Again, not because of his color and maybe not even because of him altogether. My dislike of him is growing the more he is raised up by the terms used in this article. It is happening more and more.

Melissa

I did want to say how thankful I am that your dear boy is home safe and sound. My mother's heart sings for you. Thank him for his brave service!

What do you mean he might not be a president of the people but to those he relates to? I don't understand this statement.

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That's because I don't always express myself well. I read that over and couldn't quite get how to say it better. Sorry.

hhmmm I probably said it better in my other post. I'm a Christian and the church I go to has one black family. Now, that is because we live in a small community and since the military base closed there are mostly whites. That is just the way it is. BUT, if I had more choices of churches I would not choose one that was white because I am, I would choose one that taught what I believe. I have to assume that is what Obama and his family did. Following that logic, I am concerned where his loyalties lie. With blacks/minorities only because that is who he relates to??

I hope that is a little clearer. I think I said before that it's not a completely formed opinion I have, just a concern.

Melissa

I don't have a deep relationship with God and I still get it. It is blowing my mind how people can't see things other than their own tunnel vision. I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but, can you at least SEE it???

I have a wonderful BFF who prays about many things, and truly believes that God "speaks" to her (guides her if that is easier to comprehend) telling her what to do. It's not as if she "sees" God and is delusionally having a physical conversation with him/her/

I don't find it kooky at all. But, I have an open mind and I can see things that I may not agree with. I can see the other side of the coin.

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This is from the Church he went to:

Trinity United Church of Christ

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I UNDERSTAND what they are getting at. I get it....HOWEVER (and you knew it was coming!), I have to wonder how much is God speaking to the person, and how much is them hearing what they want to hear.

The best way I can describe it is--my children do not hear me telling them to pick up their towels, make their beds, clean their rooms, etc. But let me crinkle a candy wrapper and they hear that from a mile away!

I do believe that God can and does speak to and through people--in various ways. My dad, a minister, is not the most "touchy feel" kind of person, he's definitely not in touch w/ his emotional side. But, wow! Can he preach a funeral!! Families that barely know him ask him to preach their loved one's funeral. God is absolutely speaking through him at these times--providing a sense of comfort in such a bleak and sad time. Now, don't get me wrong--Daddy is a good preacher, and delivers a good message each time he speaks. But when he's doing a funeral it is actually awe inspiring.

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Okay, this is really weird to me.

This is the "Youth" page of Obama's church's website: Trinity United Church of Christ

Do those kids not go to church camp or anything? Seriously - that is just weird to me. Not a single faith-centered activity for the youth that I can see. It's a pretty long list so maybe I'm missing something but still - promoting faith to their youth doesn't seem to be as important to them as applying for scholarships, getting internships at major corporations, etc.

Obama resigned from that church months ago.

Try looking under the Ministries page. It's quite extensive with faith-based groups for youth. I'm sure you just overlooked it.

He was still a member at the time that page was last updated.

And not that any of these are bad things - some are very good, I'm sure - but even on that page the activities for youth seem to largely be things like 'dance ministry' and math tutoring.

It's a long, long page of information, but I don't see anything that looks like it's got a lot of spiritual meat until the very last thing.

I don't care if he left the church a year ago. He chose for 20 some years to expose his family to the hate spewed by Wright.

If Obama thought what was being taught at the that church was ok he should have stayed. What changed that last few months. The preaching?? No. What changed was the fact that what was being preached was out in the open and noone liked it. So, he left. Suddenly he dind't agree with what was being preached? I doubt it.

20 years vs a few months?? please.

Thank you for pointing out the minstries for the youth though. glad to see it.

Melissa

yes, it is a long page of information, but I saw many many faith based "programs" for youths/young adults.

Of course, a lot of them would be considered "alternative" by some, but they are there--I can only wish I had gone to a church large enough to support those kind of programs.

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After 20 F()*(*()*( years!!!

Black theology is a form of liberation theology that has its center in the theme of oppression of black people by white people.[1] According to James H. Cone, it came out of the "need for black people to define the scope and meaning of black existence in a white society"[citation needed], and emerged in the last two decades in the wave of liberation movements as an expression of "black consciousness". Black theology is focused on the issues that blacks are confronted with on a daily basis.

Jesus is seen as a non-white, social liberator who focused on the emancipation of the poor and of the marginalized, and many parallel are made with the emancipation efforts of black people in the United States. Christ's message is interpreted as encouraging "black power" (Henry). His intrinsic nature and spiritual activity receive little or no attention. Some even deny his role as the atoning sacrifice for the world's sins and provider of eternal life (Shrine).

These are some of the things his church believes in.

I don't want to speak for Sen Obama but I think AA member who are Christians, they want a church family and one which gives them the sense of pride in who they are...AA. Many churches that have been predominately white (Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian etc) throughout history. The churches that were formed for AA allowed anyone to join unlike the other churches. The churches have played a significant role of family for the parishioners.

Polish people choose to attend a Polish Methodist Church in Pittsburgh, etc. They find they fit in and belong without worrying if they will be accepted. I can say from my experience, the church experience of AA is one of family and they go as much to see their friends and family as to hear the pastor.

I will not excuse what Wright said because there is no excuse but I defend his right to say it and Obama right to go to whatever church he wants to.

What exactly are you afraid of by having Obama as president? I don't understand the fear......

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Obama is not calling himself a messiah nor painting himself that way. For people to hold him accountable for others' words is wrong. And, although he is not a messiah, he most definitely will be our next President.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

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Have the courage to be yourself.

I have no fear of Obama becoming president. On the contrary. My faith is strong, and I believe that whomever becomes the next president of the US is the will of God and I'm excited to see what He will do!! If I said "I'm afraid" at some point, I meant more that I am concerned.

I understand that I may not have a grasp on why this church was formed. I can accept that. My only experience is being white. I can't change that, only strive to understand, which I do.

I do not look for a church that gives me a sense of pride in who I am. I look for a church that believes and teaches the Bible. What it does for me is irrelevant. What it does for God is everything.

I also defend Wright and Obama in their choices. So why did he leave all of the sudden? Why didn't he stand by what he had stood by for 20 some years??

Melissa

Post closed due to the number of responses.........

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