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I'll admit I'm still a little disappointed in the Biden pick. I had my heart set on Clare McCaskill. I love her to death. I'm not so sure the republicans can/will admit they're not thrilled. Don't worry, I don't REALLY expect any of you to truthfully answer that with anything other than how wonderful this woman you had no clue about 4 days ago is. You're just towing the party line.

I just wanted to clarify something. Perhaps you didn't know who Sarah Palin was 4 days ago. I, however, as a life-long Alaskan, did. I've been following Sarah Palin for the last several years. A helluva lot longer than Obama has been in the spotlight. Moreover, if I take the time to post, it's going to be the truth. Maybe not the truth as liberals see it, but the truth nonetheless. Sarah Palin does speak for woman - millions of us. Just because she doesn't believe in abortion does not mean she does not speak for women.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

I'm republican and I was very candid in my previous postings about my dislike for Palin. While I am a conservative Christian, I also don't care for Bush and I fear that McCain may 'stay the course'. I'm not afraid to speak my mind, even if it means going against party lines. However, this doesn't mean that I'm voting for Obama either. I just don't feel good about either choice.

That's why I like visiting the election board, it is helping me gain insight to make an informed decision.

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Why would you think that we just learned of Palin's existence four days ago? I'm familiar with her and have been for YEARS. I can't say the same for Obama and neither can you!

Did you happen to see the Republican National Convention last night?? They had a wonderful piece on John McCain and his service to his country, including his time as a POW. He endured beating after beating after beating, and was offered medical care in exchange for information, as well as a ticket home, and declined it. He's a tough man, and I think he has proven he will not cave, and do what is best for the country.

I did also watch the Democratic National Convention.

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Thank you, OP, for posting. I had wondered if any of our citizens in Alaska were going to speak up about Gov. Palin, whether they like or dislike her. I would like to hear more of your experience in having her as your Governor.

Hi Traci--nice to see you posting!

I, unfortunately, did not know who Gov. Palin was--I readily admit that. And didn't really know who Barack Obama was.
And truthfully? I don't think Gov Palin should be VP simply because I think she has far to many "issues" going on in her personal life(other than the issues I perceive--I think she's as good a choice as anyone. Although I don't agree w/ her stance on abortion). And I don't think Barack Obama is the right choice for the Democratic party nom for President.

I think we, as a nation, may be screwed one way or another, either way this election turns out. So, I'm probably going to write in who I want. May be a wasted vote--but at least I will be voting for who I think is the best person for the job!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I have known about Obama for years. Just as you being from Alaska and know what goes on there, I am from the midwest and know what goes on here.

It should be obvious to all that McCain's choice of Palin has hurt his chances. More than anything else, it's the Troopergate scandal that hurts her. There is evidence that she abused her office and the investigation is due to conclude just a few days before the election. It's going to hurt.

I am having a hard time with this VP pick. I LIKE that he picked a woman, however I DON'T like that he picked a mother with YOUNG children. I may get blasted for this, but I think she needs to spend more time with her family, especially in light of what's happened, however I thought this the day it was announced that she was the VP.
There is a great quote that I think pertains to this, "No other success can compensate for failure in the home." I'm not saying she is failing, but there is no way she can give 100% to both jobs, VP and mother, so if she's elected, we are making it sure that her family doesn't have a mother for the next 4 years...
Again, this is just my opinion, and I am a republican.

Bringing her future son-in-law to St. Paul was probably not the wisest of moves.

I wasn't sure about McCain until he chose Palin. Now I know that I will vote and I will vote for him. He's made a great choice, she's a scrapper. I like that!! I get the impression she is more than capable of handling these personal challenges and we should let her do that in her own way. Let's face it, they may be distracting but then, President Clinton had lots of distractions, should I name some? We didn't question whether or not he was capable of leading only questioned the fact that he lied about it. She is being truthful and I like her. From what I see, she will be the reason more of the conservative base will vote for McCain. Obama & Biden sorry, just not enough experience on Obama's side and same old, same old on Biden's. I am a Republican, proud of it but if the other side had a better candidate, I would admit it. Let's be fair to Sarah Palin and judge her on her abilities not her personal issues

Hi Becky, Obama has young children too. And the relationship between a father and his daughter is a good predictor of their future choice of a spouse, their self esteem, etc... especially during the teen years, which if he was a two termer would affect them. So how does this differ from her life? I'm especially concerned about the father/daughter bond because I lost my father suddenly in my teens and I personally know how much that bond means for your future. Sarah seems to have a pretty tight knit family so I don't see it as big a problem as some do. Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks!

so, do the allegations surrounding her use/misuse of her position as it relates to her former brother in law fall within the personal issues or her abilities?

Why is it so hard to grasp that, for some of us, it's not just her personal issues, but the package as a whole?

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The report for that will be out soon on the abuse of power stuff. I will wait and see what is said then.
All of that McCain' campagin already knew.
But, as with anything I will reserve a haste to jump to conclusions.

Then how did people justify Bill Clinton? He had personal issues, scandals, etc... coming out the wazoooo!

Isn't that the truth!! Gosh, where to begin????

Isn't it amazing that Obamas nomination is sooo historical, blah, blah, blah but Palins is being criticized by feminists? I thought feminists were for supporting the woman and her choices. I didn't think feminists would tell a woman how to handle her family life and her career. Very confusing to me.

Don't know....when he was elected--I was too stupid to realize how important it was to follow politics and didn't even vote most time!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Hey, Marilyn! It's been a while since I've been to MC. Life has been crazy lately! I'm sitting here waiting for Sarah's Palin's speech tonite, only 35 minutes left. I'm just a tad bit excited, lol.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

I understand, thanks!

Do I think she should step down? No. Palin's personal challenges are not at all important to me in my decisions about not supporting her ticket. She has little to no foreign policy experience, little state experience (unless you call being a mayor of a town of less than 9,000 people a great basis to vote for a candidate as President), and no national experience at all, is pro-Creationism, anti-choice, a gun advocate, against same-sex marriage, is currently being investigated for her role in having the top-cop in her state fired for not firing her brother in law--those are reasons I choose not to support her ticket. Her role as a mother has nothing to do with it.....her "personal issues" pale in comparison to those reasons and do not make the candidate to me. The question I ask myself with both VP candidates is: "Would I vote for that person on their record and experience for President?" The answer as relates to Biden is "yes" and definitely "no" when it comes to Palin. Simple as that. Actually I hope she does not step down because I actually believe, because of the reasons I stated above, I believe that those reasons ( along with the fact that it is blatantly obvious that McCain picked a woman just to try and capture Hillary voters not happy with Obama--but who were actually insulted by this pick for it's obviousness without offering a quality woman) have actually weakened the GOP ticket.

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Kathy,
You are completely right, and if Obama is in, they will not see their father for the next 4-8 years as well, so their future choices are affected by not having their father around, however, the mothers, are the primary nurturers for the children, and Sarah's hubby works as well... I'm just having a hard time with it, her little one is a month older than my baby and it's hard to imagine that little baby not seeing his mommy for 4 years... I'm torn.

Sarah Palin is definately a "quality" woman in more ways than one. She's got guts and so does her family. So what is blatantly obvious to you, is not so obvious to all. lol She represents millions of American women and I'm one of them. I will pray ferfently for her and her family, and I'm know I 'm not alone.
Frankly if the Hill supporters were indeed insulted, they have bad taste to begin with.

Melissa

Oh yes, I could never leave my child like that either. I had a hard time leaving to go shopping when they were little! But that's me, not her. She seems to have it together. And don't underestimate the power of siblings and a hands on dad. I think that's what seals the deal for me.

Where do you get the idea the baby will not see it's mother for 4 years.
The Vice President family lives in the Vice President house in Washington DC. (there is a thread about that).

Here is the link from the other thread
Number One Observatory Circle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And when Al Gore was VP
AT HOME WITH THE GORES

You know? I respect your right to believe in what you believe in. I disagree with you, but that's what makes this world such a great place we can believe what we want, put our faith in whatever we choose---However! To insinuate that I, or anyone has "bad taste" is incredibly rude and disrespectful.

And while I respect your praying for her and her family--I hope that you are also praying for the good of our country, and that God's will be done. Not what you, or countless other conservative Christians want--but what God wants.

Frankly, I am not insulted due to anything related to Hillary. I'm insulted because Gov. Palin does not have the experience to lead this country--and we citizens should not be subject to the learning curve.(oh, and no, I don't think Obama has the experience either).

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I apologize. You're right and I'm sorry.

I do think to say that Gov. Palin is not a quality woman is equally as insulting. I don't understand the venom, I really don't.

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along with the fact that it is blatantly obvious that McCain picked a woman just to try and capture Hillary voters not happy with Obama--but who were actually insulted by this pick for it's obviousness without offering a quality woman) quote from jeanief

And for me to say that I'm praying for her doesn't mean that I'm praying that she will be VP.....I didn't say that either. And how do you know what I want and what I pray for!!! God'd will is the best thing, what I want is irrelevant.

Why do so many poster's on here presume to "know" other's so well.........talk about insulting. man I'm crabby.

Melissa



I think that this woman will surprise us all. And besides, she's running for VP.......not Pres.

I think we can lay that 'quality' thing to rest now, 'eh?

Wow, she was impressive in her own right. It this was a hail Mary, I think she just caught the ball.

If you are quoting me be sure you point out what is my quote....because I most definitely did NOT say that I think that this woman will surprise us.......as your post seems to point out. I definitely do NOT believe she will surprise--am guessing that is YOUR quote not mine.

Because I believe that there are more qualified quality women out there that could have been placed in this position is NOT venom---unless you are looking at something to poke a stick at. I have NEVER attacked her personally, just her issues. Play fair Mom.....

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Have the courage to be yourself.

sorry about the misquote....I just messed it all up while typing. I'll fix it.

But you did say she wasn't a quality woman, and that is pretty personal.

Melissa

Here's someone who agrees with you.

Dr. Laura’s Blog Sarah Palin and Motherhood

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

What about fathers? Wasn't John Kennedy not available when poor Jackie lost their baby? Where was/is a fathers responsiblity? Afterall, Palin is running as VP not Pres.

I'm pretty conservative . Generally, I too, think that ideally Mommy should be at home...and yes, we are the nurturers. Then, I see my SIL and BIL. SIL has "had the career" while BIL stayed home with the kids. Their dad did ballet with the girls...even was in some of their dance recitals. He was invoved with the sons' activites also. He ran all the errands, took care of sick kids, took care of the laundry and most of the household issues. A real "Mister Mom". SIL is a great mom. They have a great family. I certainly can't say that they have made a bad choice.

I serioulsy doubt that when Palin is VP, that her DH will stay in Alaska and keep working. It just wouldn't be practical. I am sure that Men who were in the White House had help with their children while their spouse travelled with them and got invloved in various causes/charities. If Michelle Obama is First Lady, she will have to travel with her DH and will also need help with the children.Her DH isn't going to have time to take care of the kids while she "takes up her cause" ,so to speak. Whose to say that Mr. Palin isn't a great "Mister mom"?

I think that only the candidates and their families can decide what is best for their families. When anyone runs for office they put their family in the spotlight. Most of us would never do that. DH and I would never run for office...and we don't have kids. Somebody has to be in office. Should only people with no children or grown children run for office??? All candidates ( regardless of their gender) have to look at the impact on their families. What about brothers of candidates...how will it affect them??? How about what a candidates second cousin did in his past? Where do we draw the line?

I completely understand that they will be living in the same home, but the VP job isn't like any other 9-5 job, it involves world travel, travel over the US, long days with the President, she won't get to really "see" her children and they won't get to really see their mommy... That's what I meant.

No, no, you're not allowed to question her family values or plans. Only Palin herself is allowed to talk about it. She can use her family as campaign props (special needs kids advocate, my butt!), but you can't even mention their names!

Didn't you get the memo?

How quickly you forget. Jim Webb (Dem.-VA) used his son who was in Iraq definitely as a PROP during his campaign against Allen. Heck, he even wore his son's combat BOOTS while traveling all over Virginia. Who could forget -- those boots were everywhere, in almost every picture of Webb. And Webb made sure everyone knew those were his son's military boots. So don't go around spouting off about Sen. McCain using his POW experience and Gov. Palin using her special needs child as a prop because you libs know it's already been done before, by your 'never-do-wrong democrats!!

Difference is, Senator Webb put his money where his mouth (boots) is. He wrote and saw passed legislation to support men and women like his son. Senator McCain voted against that bill. Senator McCain campaigns as a POW who suffered torture but supports torture of prisoners. Governor Palin has a pregnant unwed teenager but cut funding for Alaska programs for unwed and troubled teens. Governor Palin supporting special needs children if they win office -- doubt it if history is any indication.

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Of course, Webb didn't take the pictures of the boots. And it's simply a lie to say that Webb walked around talking about his son. That's the exact opposite of what he did. But, what do you expect?

Yes, Webb's first order of business was to get that bill passed -- a bill Bush didn't want and McCain didn't want -- but danged if they didn't both take credit for it.


Webb walks the walk and I don't give a rip whose boots he does it in. At least they're not $500.00 loafers like McCain wears . . .

He wore those boots every day he campaigned. No, it's NOT a lie to say that Webb walked around talking about his son because that's what he did all the time. As a matter of fact, those boots are now in a display case in his senate office!!!

Oh, and I'm sure Webb has $500 loafers too.

I don't know you, nor do I know what you pray for--I simply made the statement that along w/ praying for her and her family, that I hoped you were praying for our country. I can only assume by your postings that you would like to see McCain/Palin win? Or have I read too much into your postings? And we are all human, and it's really easy to forget that we should pray for God's will and not ours--especially if it's something we feel very passionate about. That is something I have known many people who pray to struggle with. I apologize if I offended you. Was not my intent. I merely wanted to remind you, everyone else AND myself, that we should all be praying (if that's what you believe in) for the best person for the nation as a whole, and not on our own wants and desires. I struggle with that--I don't understand why God doesn't see things my way! I mean it's crystal clear--to me!

(oh my! I'm starting to sound like my mother! Not good, Not good at all!! )

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Trouble, I do agree with you on this, however, I'll take it a step further, Obama does the same thing. His wife is out on the trail campaigning right along with him, and makes comments, and then no one can question her comments. I do think children should not be used as props(Obama has them out as his little props just as much as Palin has), but if a spouse is going to help campaign, then they are fair game, IMO.

Thank you for a link to this blog, I loved it! I agree completely with her!

Obama has said that families - on both sides--are off-limits. He's not said one thing and done the other, as Palin has done. He was out in front as soon as word of Palin's daughter's "condition" broke saying families are off limits.

I don't agree with him completely, either. I think what spouses say is fair game. I think their looks (as in "she looks like an angry black woman") shouldn't be.

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I think that if a spouse looks angry, upset, irritated, happy, sad, whatever that is fair game. If you are going to show your emotions in public then you damned well be prepared for someone to notice. The whole "angry black woman" statement is not acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. But, should someone put in writing, "Michelle Obama, a 38 y/o African American (or Black-if you will), appeared angry..." that is acceptable.

Body language can be so telling sometimes, and I find it interesting to watch when people think that they aren't being noticed.

Children under the age of 18 should be completely off limits--period end of story! They did not ask to be dropped into the spotlight, and can't do anything to get out of it!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

That is kind of what I was getting at when I said Palin wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty. I think, and it's just my personal opinion that Obama came out and said play nice, be kind, families are off limits, knowing full well that that would not be the case and that the media would have a hay day with the info. IOW...he didn't get a bit muddy, but benefited from the mud fight. pretty slick. He didnt' HAVE to do the dirty work, it was done for him, but Gov. Palin was brave enough to defend herself.

Melissa

I heard the media report that her daughter was 5 months pregnant after the campaign sent out a press release, but, I never heard or read anything in the media where anyone said or wrote anything unkind about her family.

Don't forget that I got such phrases and observations from an African American male.

McCain's playing a dirty offense -- kind of like asking "When did you stop beating your wife?"

No one said anything about that child, but they plant the seed by pretending people did. Maverick? No, just another filthy politician.

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Brave, my ass. She picked a fight by making false accusations. She's a bully, not some kind of brave avenger. Politics as usual, it's all over her.

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We miss you, sweet brother
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You would certainly know the definition of the word bully as you exhibit the same constantly. Is there nothing positive or good in your life that you have to sit here day in and day out cranking out one line insults?

cpsfsisooi

Ah ....the same way YOU don't understand me!

Amen to that!!!!!

Quite the contrary, ma'am, I understand just enough about you to know exactly who and what you are.

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We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

Sooo wrong....in sooooo many ways.........

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