From her days at Princeton.


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First of all, it has been a few decades since I have seen such blatant prejudice. It tells me a lot about you for finding it worthy of sharing.

Like Michelle, I love this country, but cannot say that I am always proud of what we do. Most of my life has been spent in the South. I didn't even see a black person until I was 5. She was our maid. I didn't see another black until I was 8. That was through a fence on a playground. I was told to get away from the fence. No black ever went to any of the elementary schools I attended. Nor were there any in the junior highs that I attended. No blacks lived in my neighborhoods; they weren't allowed. In my senior year two blacks attended my brand new high school. Their parents had sold the county the land for the school. I didn't get to know either of these people because they kept to themselves.

In all this time, I read about lynchings where "good" Christian white folks would string up "uppity" blacks. Sometimes, the victim would be tarred and feathered too. Then, these "good" white Christians would all pose with their handiwork. The picture would later be made into postcards and proudly sold in local shops. I thought it was horrible but I still didn't know any blacks. I can remember water cannons being turned on peaceful blacks by the "good" white Christians of the South as they peacefully marched for equal rights.

Michelle grew up the same way that I did. I am quite sure that there were no white people in her neighborhood. Even though Civil Rights legislation was passed in 1968, there were (and still are) a million ways to deny opportunities to people who have darker skin than I do. So, when Michelle attended Princeton, she was around white people as equals for the first time in her life.

I don't see a thing in the world wrong with anything she wrote. The fact that you do tells me that if Obama loses, it will be for one reason. He's black. Shame on you for posting this racist screed.

And she became a candidate....when, exactly was that? So much for the "leave the family alone" plaintive cry when it comes to Palin's family.

And, besides, this is NOT the entire thesis and is being INTERPRETED by someone over 20 years later who I promise you has taken passages out of context (where is the entire text) and has not spoken to Mrs. Obama about it.

After all, remember that posters on here are excusing John McCain of calling his wife a c*** "because it was ten years ago and people change." But apparently you only get a pass on changing if you are a conservative.

Here is a link to an article which contains a link to the entire thesis if you want to read the entire thing and not some snippets that fit the slant of the article's author. It also debunks many internet email lies out there. Read the article pointing out those lies/discrepencies and then take the time to read the entire thesis. Also in this article is a link --make sure you click on both--that shows a great example why Mrs. Obama was correct in feeling the way she did about being separate at the Ivy League school--ostracized as she was.

PolitiFact | Digging up dirt on Michelle Obama

And, once again, remember that Mrs. Obama is NOT the candidate and all the repubs/cons. on here have been screaming leave the families alone anyway......

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These links break it down because the pdf are large.
You may have to copy and paste links into your browser.


Part 1
http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...esis_1-251.pdf

Part 2
http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_26-501.pdf

Part 3
http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_51-751.pdf

Part 4
http://dyn.politico.com/pdf/080222_M...sis_76-981.pdf

These are the links separated from the thesis that I cited above for those who have read just the thesis by itself for those who want a different view than that offered by BlueSkeyes. The link that was in my earlier post has the same links as Forest's post...which takes out the other information I wanted to offer you.

Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide - Jeffrey Ressner - Politico.com

Georgian recalls rooming with Michelle Obama | ajc.com

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But apparently Cindy McCain is fair game:


Just sayin. . . .

Why don't you look WHO started those posts I responded to? THey were started by your cronies who were lauding Cindy McCain and how much better a candidate and how much more qualified she was than Mr. Obama. Really kind of crappy of you (but not surprising) to pull things out of context.

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Actually the thread I started was to point out how UNQUALIFED Sen. Obama is. I felt that even Cindy McCain's resume would have more experience.

[quote=kvmj;3042330 The fact that you do tells me that if Obama loses, it will be for one reason. He's black. Shame on you for posting this racist screed.[/QUOTE]

Racism works both ways. Maybe if Obama WINS it will be because he is black!!! He certainly isn't qualified.

Hmmm. . .I'm not sure as to who you are referring to as my "cronies" but the Cindy McCain thread was started by Dannyboy. She doesn't appear to be lauding the qualifications of Cindy McCain either. In fact she seems to be slamming the McCains. Let me remind you:


I also don't think that's neither here nor there. And I didn't pull anything out of context. I quoted your entire posts and it is still free for anybody here to go look at the original threads.

Someone posted a possible problem they see with Cindy McCain and you jumped all over it. Someone posted a possible problem they see with Michelle Obama, and you defended her, which I don't have a problem with. BUT then you scolded the poster with the fact that Michelle Obama is not THE candidate and that families should be off limits. You certainly didn't do the same with Cindy McCain. Hmmm. . .so like I pointed out. . .Michelle Obama is off limits because she is not a candidate, but Cindy McCain is apparently fair game in your book.

So sorry you think my pointing out your glaring hypocrisy is crappy.

What I quoted didn't come from the thread you started. It came from this one:


http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...dy-mccain.html

Michelle has been hot & heavy campaigning in this election, you know...the one time I'm proud of America...she has put herself in the situation to be included in discussions. I don't recall seeing Cindy out there making speeches prior to the convention.

Oops, theres that race card being played again...for people who don't want this to be about race, why is it thrown up so often by them?

she did NOT say "the ONE time"......as if it was the only time......she said "for the first time in my adult life..."

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Yes, the first time she's been proud of her country in the last 26yrs.

So what? I can honestly say that I am not proud of my country and haven't been since we invaded Iraq. Not one time has this country done one thing to make me proud. In fact, I am deeply ashamed.

You must be reading into something I wrote. I just said what she said.

Yes, she didn't say it was the ONE time she has been proud of her country. She said it was the first time in her adult life. . .that would be 26yrs.

I'm not reading anything into what you wrote. You are reading something into what she said.

Huh?

Did she not say, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" ???

I did the math, that would be 26yrs.

Actually, your post is the racist one, not her's. Racism works both ways and every time that anyone doesn't agree with you, you play the race card. You've played it so often that it has no meaning.

It shows a certain racist mind set to write that the only reason Obama could lose is because he's black. No candidate is entitled to a win just because he isn't white. I don't like Obama for many reasons and none have anything to do with his color.

Yes, so you keep telling us, year after year after year. You don't need to pretend to be deeply ashamed because we all know that America isn't your country. You're not one of us and we all know it. You've made it abundantly clear over the last several years that you dislike America intensely. Have you forgotten your previous anti-US posts or are you just hoping that we have? LOL. FYI, 'this country' is one of the few that will allow you to post your endless hate messages about her. If you can't work up pride for what America stands for, then you should at least be grateful for your freedom to post your anti-American drivel.

I see a great deal wrong with a Presidential candidates wife saying that it took 26 years for her to feel pride in America, especially since she felt proud of her country for the first time in her adult life only because her husband won certain states votes. You can try to justify her remark any way you want but her meaning is clear and I don't want anyone like that to be First Lady. I'd rather have someone who actually likes America all the time and not just when they get a certain benefit from her.

Actually, this is my country and always has been. I do love this country. I do not love what she does. We invaded a tiny country on false premises and took over a million lives. We have tortured innocent people. We have held our own citizens and denied them access to counsel. We tortured them too. I am most assuredly not one of you if you embrace these actions. I haven't even met one of you. I was not proud when this country left it citizens stranded on roof toops without water or needed medicines. I was not proud that this country left my fellow citizens dead and floating in the water for weeks. These are things that made you proud? Bless your heart.

Well, I would rather have someone who hasn't commited crimes in the name of charity and didn't show up to the convention in the $300k outfit (yes, I said $300k) when the economy is killing most Americans. I relate more to the honesty of someone saying that they've struggled having faith in their leaders and pride in their country than someone that is sooooo obviously out of touch (or at the very least is acting like a celebrity).

In case you are wondering where I got the $300k info...it was from Vanity Fair. They did a breakdown of both her and Laura Bush's outfits. First Lady Bush was more conservative in her white suit and accessories (which I thought she looked very nice in) coming in at the $4k range. But, Cindy put on a show in her mustard colored suit and flashy jewels....

Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, Taryn Rose: $475
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

Even if she borrowed everything....it is a sad commentary on politics vs. celebrity status. Even if Vanity Fair is wrong, it doens't change one fact....

...it all doesn't really matter!

We are 2 months away from the election. If you are basing your vote off of a paper someone wrote in college, what someone's wife wore to a convention, that someone's daughter got knocked up in high school, or what somebody's preacher said....then you have bigger issues....but, that's your choice.

Vote the way you want and just get over it....

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It is my choice and I will certainly take into consideration that Obama had no problem with Jeremiah Wright's racist and anti-American sermons and outrageous views for years and years. It wasn't until Wright became a political liability for him that Obama finally cut him loose. No one with a grain of sense can believe that Obama doesn't share Wright's outlandish views since he never denounced any of them until it became self serving to do so.

then simply don't vote him. end of story.

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How about we all do this--and stop the back and forth, the sniping, the personal attacks and the petty and childish behaviours? The only good thing about the election board is it's kept these behaviours off of the other boards, otherwise it's useless. No one is going to change their mind--especially this late in the game.

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I will admit I have found out lots of interesting stuff from the election board. True some of the stuff is childish. I think it has served some puropse to the "undecided" voters.

Actually, I am undecided as to how I will vote in Nov.

I really don't think that the founders ever intended for us to stand mute, or worse politely clapping, as an authoritarian regime took hold. They certainly never expected us to form straight lines nor applaud these grevious abuses of power.

And doesn't that kind of match Michelle Obama and her college papers? Absolutlely. Once again, they sure new what he was preaching all those years and when it all came out he dissassociated himself. What does that say about their character?

by the same token---I don't think our founding fathers meant for us to behave like children and squabble and argue of our different opinions. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't think too highly of the personal attacks and constant sarcasm and snottiness. I just think that some people just want to argue. It's not about who's the best person for the job--it's about proving their position is the right one, and any other position is wrong.

ETA-and with that, I'm done posting on the subject matter. This board has devolved from discussing the issues, and just to arguing. For those of us who are undecided--neither side looks too good at this point. Especially if some posters here are true representations of their party and that party's platform!

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Actually, I think that the OP just wished to repeat a smear against Michelle Obama.

Oh the hypocritical indignance. Too funny.

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Here's the link to the Vanity Fair article:

Politics and Power Blog: vanityfair.com
(All prices except Laura’s shoes and Cindy’s watch are estimates, and the jewelry prices are based on the assumption that the pieces are real.)

The estimated earring price seemed awfully high to me, so I did a little research and I came across this when I googled "expensive diamonds":

The World of Diamonds: The most expensive diamond you can buy online
The most expensive diamond you can buy online
Just for fun and in case anybody was wondering, I decided to find the most expensive diamond you could buy online. Now if you have a spare $726,000 or that much available limit on your Visa , you can have this beautiful 8.90 carat Round Brilliant D Flawless diamond from Mondera.

That led me to Mondera, assuming they must sell pricey diamonds. The most expensive pair I could find was $44,258 for 2.02 carat

http://www.mondera.com/buildsolitair...1=&recordNo=20

I don't really know anything about Mondera so I figured I should check out Tiffany's too. I couldn't find 3 carat but I found these .95 carat at $9,050

Tiffany & Co. | Item | Tiffany diamond studs. Diamonds, platinum. | United States

So from what I found, a high estimate for the value of her earrings would be more in about the $50,000 to $60,000 range.

Hmmmm. . .not that any of this matters a whole hill of beans when it comes to the election. I just wonder how Vanity Fair got that estimate.

I don't really have anything to add to this discussion since I read that thesis months ago and consider it old news. Just wanted to let everyone know that Michelle Obama will be on Ellen today. East Coast 3PM.

Ditto and sharkiz1, thanks for the heads up.

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Oh BS! That's a pitiful and lame cop-out. If Obama loses, it's because he didn't connect with enough voters and thus didn't get enough votes. Plain and simple. Your comment is what is racist. I won't vote for Obama because I don't support his political ideology. I, and I think a great majority of people, could give a crap less if he's black, white, purple or green. I will vote for whomever supports my ideas about governing regarless of their color, age, or plumbing.

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I've got one word for ya.............MOVE!!!!!!!!!!! You can honestly live here knowing this country hasnt done a single thing to make you proud????????? That is Pitiful.....I am VERY proud of my country and still get goose bumps when I see Old Glory flying and hearing the Star Spangled Banner......Sherri

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Just what I was going to post!!

If you're not proud of your country, then shame on you. If you don't like it here in the USA where you can actually SAY you're not proud of your country and not get shot on sight or thrown in a dark stinky jail cell, then go find another country that will make you proud. Then see if you're allowed to say what you want. Maybe then you'd get a new appreciation for the United States of America.

As for Mrs. Obama, shame on her for saying it, too. It's upsetting to hear that someone whose husband is running for President of the United States states that for the first time she's proud of her country. What kind of statement is that anyway?? Who would vote for someone who has those kind of ideas?

Which is exactly why I won't vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. Their policies are diametrically opposed to mine Yet, because we choose not to support the platform we are being accused of either being jealous Palin, or poor feminists because all people with vaginas should support ANY candidate with a vagina just because she has one. I respect the fact that a person votes with their policy---but to throw the jealous and bad feminist is just plain ridiculous. (not saying that this refers to you at all!!!! just saying that I understand and appreciate your CHOICE to vote on policies and not do what others EXPECT you to do)

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"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

Exactly. I agree. When I heard women say they would vote for Hillary because she's a woman, others who will vote for Obama because it's time for a black person to be president, or that women should necessarily vote for Palin because she's a woman, I roll my eyes. While I agree w/ Palin's positions for the most part, I'm not voting for her based on her plumbing. Her views are closer to mine than Obama's. I think voting for one's plumbing or skin color is ignorant at a minimum.

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