Maybe this will help explain the point I had previously tried to make. I spoke to a friend of mine today, Jose, who was born in El Salvador, immigrated to Mexico with his family because of the war and now lives in the US (his family is still in Mexico). I have known him for about 10 years now. He told me that his mother is confused. She thought the United States was for womens rights, etc... She wanted to know from Jose why everyone was applauding what Hillary has done but all she hears is negative things about Sarah Palin!!! Negative as to she should stay home, etc... NOT about her policies. She can't understand why Hillary would be supported by women for making progress but not Sarah Palin. THAT was my point before. It has nothing to do with who you are voting for or what their policies are but the fact that a woman is now in line to possibly be the VP. I just thought this was very interesting coming from someone who lives in the Yucatan and can see the hypocrisy of the womens rights folks in the US that aren't applauding the position she has attained.

From where are you getting your info. I watch the news daily and have only heard them talk about Palin's lack of talking about the issues or policies. Sorry I cant relate to that because I have only seen people here discussing this and mostly the pubs. I assumed it was just their opinion and had something to do with her baby with downs and her pregnant daughter. I don't have opinions on those things so I didn't join in. Its the right who seems to be making Palin out the victim and it isn't attractive.

Oh my gosh, they have been bashing her left and right, calling her an unfit mother, etc.... Obviously they are hearing it in Mexico becasue she asked Jose about it.

I am looking forward to Palin's inteview w/ Charlie Gibson. Hopefully then, her views will be out there and then the media can start focusing on that rather than her baby or her daughter. She's a very impressive woman and I think it will only help her and McCain when she shares her views and positions. I do believe, however, that if Palin were a democrat, she would be lauded for her accomplishments whereas she really has been drug over the coals. That being said, she's a tough Alaskan chick who can take whatever the left or the media throws her way.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

A chick. OMG. How sexist is that.

Are you just being cute, or is that a serious post?

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There are lots of articles about how feminists acted at the first news of a Palin VP pick. I believe that the first reaction is your most honest reaction.

Feminists Flip Out Over Palin FOX Forum FOXNews.com

"While Cottle bemoans the blows that feminism has taken in this campaign, what Cottle should really be complaining about is how the movement feminists have been revealed to care more about liberal policy positions than women per se. In many ways Sarah Palin is a model of what feminists have long said they wanted - women who are able to build a successful career on their own without depending on their husband’s position to get where they want to go. And to have a family with a husband who fully shares in the parenting duties. Yet now we know that that is not enough. A woman also has to be a liberal to be a true role model: When Gloria Steinem takes to the pages of The Los Angeles Times to tell us that Palin is not the right woman for other women because of her positions, I guess that is a step forward that Palin can be evaluated on the basis of her positions more than on her gender, but it also helps clarify that organizations like NOW were never really about women but only about liberal women. And what they’re now horrified to discover is that there are a whole lot of women out there who don’t ascribe to that agenda.

And feminists like Cottle and Steinem should be horrified at some of the discussions going on in the media and around the water cooler about whether the mother of five children can have a position of responsibility. Yesterday on CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” Sally Quinn and Ellen Rooney both asserted that they didn’t think that a mother with a baby and two other young children plus a pregnant teenager could do an adequate job as vice president. When asked if these questions were unfair and wouldn’t be asked of a male candidate such as Barack Obama, they both chimed in that of course it was unfair, but it was the way things are. Whenever women have jobs that take them away from their children, they suffer from guilt and divided concerns that a vice president shouldn’t have.

Wow! Feminists certainly have flipped on whether women are able to do it all — have a career and a family. And when faced with the sort of husband feminists have been saying they long for - a guy who gave up one of his jobs on the North Slope because of his wife’s career and now has stepped forth to take care of the day-to-day child care so that his wife can take care of her career, they totally discount that sort of contribution and come back to attacking the mother."

You will forgive me if I say your example is full of hooey. 1) you're getting your information 2nd hand, 2) We have no idea what news and/or whatever she is referring to, 3) there's the whole Spanish to English, English to Spanish issue,4) How very convenient for you to have such a story that supports EXACTLY what you've been trying to get everyone to see.

I, frankly, think it's phenomenal that a woman has been nominated for VP (just wish it was a woman who's politics I agree with). I'm overjoyed that we have reached a point where an African American is the nominee for President (just wish it was an AA who's politics I agree with).

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You beat me to it, Marilyn. I was just going to post the exact same thing. Sigh. (but I do agree with the AA's politics)

As the bumper stickers up here say: Alaska chicks kick a$$. I'm quite sure Gov. Palin wouldn't be offended to be called a chick. Only someone who takes themselves a little too seriously or has a stick imbedded in a certain part of their anatomy would be up in arms if a fellow chick referred to her as the same.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

LOL! Of all the things I have been called--"Chick" is probably the least offensive!
That does not even register on my scale of offensive terminology!!

After having worked w/ troubled teenage boys--my name badge should have read "B*tch"! Then working as a 911 dispatcher--I got called things I had to ask what it meant! And now as a work comp adjuster--most of the time it's "nasty effing B*tch"! Chick is NOTHING!

Traci is it a stick up the anal orifice or is it their head?

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What if I don't forgive you? lol lol lol
Yes, my info is second hand via Jose. I don't see why this is a problem for you. No problem with the Spanish to English issue. He just told me this on Monday after he talked to his mom on the phone. SHE asked him about this.

It really isn't anything personal--2nd hand conversations sometimes lose things in the re-telling. Yes, English to Spanish/Spanish to English is an issue--how do certain things being said here in the States translate in Spanish? And where is this woman getting her information? Local television/radio? Or does she have access to American Broadcasts? What bias is she being subjected to?

You're sadly mistaken if you think I give a damn about Palin's para/gravida status. She's not "the" woman that is best for this country--she has some good points, but overall I have extreme misgivings in regards to her alleged abuse of power, her lack of experience, and some of her philosophical beliefs. If she were a MAN--I'd feel the same way! If she were a Democrat--I'd feel the same way. If she were a LIBERAL--well, she wouldn't believe what she believes and the argument would be moot. Of course Liberals don't think she's the best one for the job---she is against everything that most liberals believe in. Is it truly that hard to understand????

I am overjoyed that women and other minorities have finally been able to be represented in such a "big" election. However, neither of them are my choice--thus I will be writing my choice in come November!

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I can one up that..call her an uppity chick!

Workers' comp adjuster! Ouch. I was a workers' comp paralegal for years. Those claimants can be brutal.

The stick is firmly imbedded in the nether regions; however it needs to smacked upside the head on occasion.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

I believe it was the lefties who call her the candidate with the vagina. How exist is THAT?! Better look at other posts before you make accusations.

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You go girl!!!

That's fascinating!

I'll have to ask Humberto (he sell flowers on the off-ramp on Saturdays) to call home and ask his 2nd cousin what she thinks of our politics. I'll get back to you as soon as I hear something, because I'm totally sure that it's relevant to this conversation!

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LOLOLOL!

Hilarious!

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That was rather racist. I think you could have left that out and made your point.

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I made no mention of Huberto's nationality. Any assumptions made are your own. We've already established on this board that a person's name is no indicator of race (just see the Toby Kieth posts).

If you have some preconceived negative feelings about people who sell off-ramp flowers, that's on you.

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Well if you weren't trying to refer to Humburto as a person of Hispanic decent then why are you posting it here? Obviously that's exactly what you meant.
Personally, I did find it fascinating as to what Jose's parents think. His dad is a very reknowed (sp) scientist in the Mexico. They don't like George Bush. They do follow what happens in the US because their son lives here. So it's very interesting to hear what someone from another country thinks. And they talk everyday so they do have a good idea about what goes on in the US.

Gee. . .I thought the topic of this thread was a Mexican (actually El Salvadorian) woman's perspective on the treatment Palin has been receiving.

So you were actually posting about an Irish guy? Ok.

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My point exactly.

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Just because her random person is El Salvadorian, my random person has to be too? That's not fair!
I call shenanigans!!

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Yes!

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Actually, they didn't even give her that much status and just called her "a vagina". Me thinks somebody's scared that she's a viable candidate and trying to degrade her makes them feel more secure. LOL.