YouTube - Dear Mr. Obama

This is great.....gives me chill bumps...I am so thankful for young men like this from the past to the present...May God Bless our Troops...My nephew is one of them....just returing from Iraq.....Just one more thing that makes me proud to be an American....Oh and its not the first time I have been proud...Unlike Michelle, I have been proud of my country many times.....Sherri

OH and one more thing....I keep seeing these ridiculous articles that Jesus was a community organizer.....News Flash....Jesus was the Messiah...he filled that position about 2000 yrs ago and its not real likely that position will be coming open anytime soon....

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I am consistently proud of our country. Sure we make mistakes, we are human, but where else would you like to live? If you prefer another country and bash ours then leave!!
Excellent post about Jesus!!!

Yeah...not in everyone's book.....Some of us are still interviewing applicants

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Wow, what a powerful video!

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Community organizing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Community organizing is a process by which disempowered people—most often low- and moderate-income people—are brought together to act in their common self-interest. Community organizers act as area-wide coordinators of programs for different agencies in an attempt to meet community needs for health and welfare services. They also facilitate self-help programs initiated by local common-interest groups, for example, by training local leaders to analyze and solve the problems of a community. Community organizers work actively, as do other types of social workers, in community councils of social agencies and in community-action groups. At times the role of community organizers overlaps that of the social planners.[1]

Funny, I always thought Jesus was a teacher. I wonder which agency he worked for?

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I don't see how anyone can regard either the Iraq War or the Vietnam War as anything but grave mistakes.

I hope you all know that active duty personnel are contributing more to Obama than McCain.

Not in this neck of the wood

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Not in my state, they're not. I'd like to see your figures from a reputable source.

LINK, PLEASE!!! LOL

Military donations favor Obama over McCain: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

Military donations favor Obama over McCain
Thursday August 14, 6:31 pm ET
Troops donate more campaign money to Obama than McCain, despite McCain's military record

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.


Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.

The results also are striking because they favored Obama, who never has served in the military. McCain meanwhile, is a decorated war veteran who spent nearly five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The Arizona senator graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy and had a 22-year career as a naval aviator.

Obama has opposed the war in Iraq and says he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. McCain has been a steadfast supporter of the war, saying he would withdraw the troops only when conditions on the ground warrant it.

"Obama will work tirelessly to uphold this nation's sacred trust with its veterans, to ensure they are not forgotten after they return home and he will provide our troops with the leadership they deserve, as well as the support they and their families need," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.

McCain's campaign played down the significance of the donations.

"John McCain has been endorsed by more retired admirals and generals than Barack Obama has military donors," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a statement.

"We feel confident that many U.S. troops stationed overseas will support John McCain in the election this fall, but we suspect most are too busy doing the important work of defending this country than to make political contributions," Goldfarb said.

The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.

Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.


If you don't consider the AP a reputable source, then take your pick of any of these.

military contributions mccain obama - Google Search

Remember google is your friend.

Ah, how did I know someone would post something like this???

Ok, first of all, pay attention to the part "troops serving abroad". Is that where they get these numbers from??? What about the troops NOT serving abroad??? What about the men and women right here in the good old US of A???

Military Members Prefer McCain, But Contributions Go To Obama Foolocracy: Government by fools, silliness and unintelligent people

I have no idea if this is a biased sight or not, I honestly didn't read that much on there.

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I thought he was a co-pilot?

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This community organizer stuff has gotten really out of hand, along with the jokes that are going along with it. I think it's slamming Jesus and portraying Jesus as an ordinary person, when in fact, Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to earth to die on the cross for the sins of the world and rose again on the third day.

Jesus was no community organizer.

I hope you're sitting down for what I'm about to type: I completely agree with you!
While I know not all people believe in Jesus/God, etc. to those that do to constantly poke fun of the subject is extremely distasteful and in very poor taste!

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Well, here's a FACT for ya. Not EVERYONE believes what you believe, so before you start spouting "facts" can you take in to consideration that not everyone believes that Jesus was the son of God??? Just because you believe it doesn't mean its a FACT.

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Applause!!!

See, there are some things we can agree on!! (And yes, I was sitting down!)

Thanks, Marilyn

My link has stats for military and for military overseas.

"The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.

Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said."

Your link basically says that the military who favor Obama are putting their money where their month is and the ones who favor McCain are not. You asked for a reputable link showing Obams gets more money from the military and I gave it to you. It is a fact. Live with it.

I don' t know whether anyone stated it was a fact. What is fact that there is a large number of people who do believe in Jesus/God--and it is disrespectful to THEM to have their beliefs constantly poked fun at. The people that I know personally, who do believe that Jesus is God's son takes that belief very personal and are offended when other's make fun of it.

It's kind of like us moms who think our child is just the cutest kid/smartest kid/graceful/most athletic, etc. If someone was poking fun at what we believed (aka our child) don't you think that we'd get offended?

And too, some things are a bit humorous the first couple of times it's done/said--but after a while it gets old. Have you ever been on the receiving end of a 4 y/o's routine of the same knock-knock jokes!? It's cute for a little, then it's just tiring and old.

That's all I'm saying--tread careful on other people's beliefs. You wouldn't want someone stomping all over your beliefs--would you?

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Throwing money at a candidate means very little, IMO. It's the votes that count. Just because "survey says...." Obama is getting more money from military serving abroad doesn't really equate to squat in the large scheme of things.

Um, I never asked for a link showing who gives what.

"cougarskies Quote:
Originally Posted by kvmj
I hope you all know that active duty personnel are contributing more to Obama than McCain.

Not in my state, they're not. I'd like to see your figures from a reputable source.

LINK, PLEASE!!! LOL"

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Mom2twins stated that it was a fact in her post that I quoted in mine.

I try not to trounce on anyone's religious beliefs so I would appreciate the same respect to mine. Understand that having a belief is just that....a belief, not a proven fact.

Understand that lots of people do not have the same belief set as you might, and that it might be insulting to insinuate that your belief set is FACT.

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Yes you did ask for figures from a reputable source and I gave you that. Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.

How about giving me your figures from a reputable source.

Ok, I see where she said "in fact"---however, it still doesn't alter my overall opinion on the subect matter. For someone to poke fun at Jesus and/or Christianity is just as bad as someone trying to convert you to Christianity when you've made your stance clear.

So, basically---unless it's an extreme situation religion should be left out of politics!

(oh, and to all those who don't understand how Obama could be a member of a church for 20 years and not really know the beliefs? Happens more than you know! Unfortunately people don't always go to church for religion--KWIM? Some places it's simply a social circle, other places the church you go to indicates what "class" economically speaking that you are in...)

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Yes, we know that.

It doesn't necessarily imply that THE military supports Obama. According to Gallup, more Military and Veterans support McCain:

Military favors McCain, poll finds - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

It links to this Gallup Poll:

Veterans Solidly Back McCain

That poll only shows the numbers for Veterans however, so I'm not clear on what the real numbers are.

I would love to know. but after a lot of searching, I was unable to find any info. If someone else can find a Poll breaking down the military vote I would love to see it.

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LOL! Or a truck driver. . .Jesus take the wheel. . .

ETA. . .that was a joke.

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Um, let's take this a little slower this time.........Here is what I posted in post #10:
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Ah, how did I know someone would post something like this???

Ok, first of all, pay attention to the part "troops serving abroad". Is that where they get these numbers from??? What about the troops NOT serving abroad??? What about the men and women right here in the good old US of A???

Military Members Prefer McCain, But Contributions Go To Obama Foolocracy: Government by fools, silliness and unintelligent people

I have no idea if this is a biased sight or not, I honestly didn't read that much on there."

I do not see where I asked for any links, but, if you think I did, I guess there isn't much I can do to change your mind on that one.

As I stated in my post, the amount of money given by troops serving abroad, or , for that matter, right here, means zilch. It is the VOTES that count. Just ask the ACORN group....they'll tell you all about that

ETA: I clicked on the link you gave for "other reputable sources" and got my link there. So, now you are saying it is not reputable???

"If you don't consider the AP a reputable source, then take your pick of any of these.

military contributions mccain obama - Google Search"

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In regards to that, I am SERIOUSLY concerned about voter fraud in this election. After what happened here in Washington State in 2004, I think this is a HUGE issue.

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I didnt say anything about your link except

"Your link basically says that the military who favor Obama are putting their money where their month is and the ones who favor McCain are not."

Here is what is on that page from your link.

Military Members Prefer McCain, But Contributions Go To Obama
Posted in August 19th, 2008
by Glenn Church in Barack Obama, John McCain, U.S. President

Although members of the military are contributing more to the Obama campaign than the McCain campaign, a new poll shows that the men and women of the military prefer McCain to Obama. John McCain leads by a 56% to 34% margin. This is not unexpected as McCain is a veteran, while Obama is not. Members of the military tend to register as Republicans in higher proportions than the general population, which also gives McCain an edge. However, this makes for an odd contradiction as donations from the military strongly favor Obama.


I have nothing to say about your other comments. You are just trying to change the subject and bait me. A tactic that is used quite often on this board. LOL . I am through with this as it is no longer a discussion just diversionary tactics. .

That video caught me off guard.

Really??? And your information comes from where??? YOu know that ALL active duty personnel are contributing more to Obama??? Wow you must have some database....My nephew , who just returned from Iraq says his buddies despise Obama and so does 90% of his platoon.....Sherri

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I find it interesting that it only tracked donations of $200 or more, as I read it. I wonder why it didn't track all donations? I doubt very many military families will be tossing $200 or more to a candidate. I wonder what the results would be if it tracked all donations. Speaking from experience as I work with the soldiers 5 days a week and hear their conversations, they definitely want McCain over Obama.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

Yes, the site is biased; it's blatant. You're right, it's the votes that count. I do expect the military to overwhelming vote for McCain. The contributions indicate to me that, in the opinion of active duty personnel, it's past time to leave Iraq. Ron Paul, who is anti-war, received far more than support than any other candidate until he dropped out.

We have been asked to leave Iraq.

My son recently returned home as well and he and the majority of those he has asked in his Company believe that McCain will just be more of the same and they all support Obama.

One of his duties as Company Commander is to counsel marines who are not interested in reenlisting and he said that overwhelmingly the reason they will not stay is because they are tired of being deployed in this war. He says he understands but it will be sad if McCain is elected because it will make his job of retention harder. This is hearsay but it is from my son who is a LT in the Marine Corp based at Pendleton.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it isn't a fact.

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Really??
Really???

Wow. What a small mind to think that your belief set is the only one that is fact.

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I NEED A LINK!

POST A LINK!

FROM A NON-BIAS SOURCE!!!!!! SOURCE!SOURCE!SOURCE ALREADY!

Just teasing.

Sorry...I couldn't help myself....

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Ummmmm.....you realize that the converse of that statement also applies too?

Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it IS a fact.

I'm just saying. That's why it's best to respect other's beliefs--you never know when you might be wrong!

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Thank you Marilyn. To *assume* that your beliefs are the only right one is being narrowminded and predjudiced in my book.

I respect that others have a different belief set. Hell, I'm married to a Catholic!! LOL

He respects my right to believe that Jesus was NOT the son of God and I respect his right to believe that Jesus WAS the son of God....

Different strokes and all that.....

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My statement was already the converse statement to the one that toonces made.

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Huh?? Where did I say that my beliefs were fact?

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Originally Posted by Toonces
Well, here's a FACT for ya. Not EVERYONE believes what you believe, so before you start spouting "facts" can you take in to consideration that not everyone believes that Jesus was the son of God??? Just because you believe it doesn't mean its a FACT.


Read your last statement here. I didn't say or imply that you thought your beliefs were fact. I said, just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's not true.

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Wow! This debate is as old as the earth.

Momarjum was correct in her logic when she said that just because you don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, doesn't make it a fact. She's not saying it is a fact, just pointing out that your logic is flawed.

Just as you said that believing that Jesus was the Messiah doesn't make it a fact.

The FACT is that BOTH of you are saying that it can't be proven or disproven. It is neither fact or unfact.

So calling momrajum small minded for saying that is the same as calling yourself small minded.

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Getting back to OP's Post....

Thanks for posting the link to the video - I agree with TraciLM, Very Powerful video!

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Thought I'd post the latest military poll results from Military Times, although it's no great surprise.

Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

By Brendan McGarry - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Oct 9, 2008 5:44:48 EDT

Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said

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No, he was not there as he is a Marine and just finished his second tour and it looks to me like these were soldiers in the Army who were reenlisting.

I stand by what he says is happening in his company. His job as Company Commander is to counsel those marines who do not want to reenlist. He has been given many reasons why someone won't reenlist but he says overwhelmingly the most oft repeated one is John McCain is more of the same and they are tired of being away from home so much. He has Marines who are on their third or fourth deployment. He says he can't blame them for leaving the Marines after that.