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Old 09-10-2008, 01:52 PM
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Actor Matt Damon Blasts Palin

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Old 09-10-2008, 03:08 PM
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That was a 'blast'??

And we're supposed to be concerned because a Hollywood 'celebrity' would like to know if she believes dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago??? And that he calls her a 'bad Disney movie'??

I'm surprised that interview even made it to the internet!

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That was a 'blast'??

And we're supposed to be concerned because a Hollywood 'celebrity' would like to know if she believes dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago??? And that he calls her a 'bad Disney movie'??

I'm surprised that interview even made it to the internet!

Exactly. Not to mention, hasn't the book banning BS already been cleared up??? Who is this actor anyway????

I really think the media is LOVING all this talk, and even stirring the pot.
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Old 09-10-2008, 05:04 PM
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Who is this actor anyway????
Matt Damon

He got his ass kicked by Leonardo DiCaprio ...and that's really sad...even if it was just a movie.
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Old 09-10-2008, 05:12 PM
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You know Matt Damon....from the Sara Silverman video...

YouTube - I'm ****ing Matt Damon by Sarah Silverman
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Old 09-10-2008, 05:13 PM
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That was a 'blast'??

And we're supposed to be concerned because a Hollywood 'celebrity' would like to know if she believes dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago??? And that he calls her a 'bad Disney movie'??

I'm surprised that interview even made it to the internet!


Eh..it was the headline with the story. I just thought it was interesting and would make for some interesting discussion.
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Old 09-10-2008, 05:14 PM
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That was almost as bad as the Diddy video!
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Old 09-10-2008, 05:26 PM
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I don't think anyone really cares about what the Hollywood type has to say.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:17 PM
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What they did to Matt Damon in Team AMerica is hilarious!!!
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:41 PM
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I don't think it's helping Obama's cause to have all of these celebrity-types running around blasting the republicans/resoundingly supporting him. It should make the US nervous when the media is so focused on discovering who Matt Damon, Madonna, Oprah, etc. are supporting.

Do democrats, in general, believe that celebrity endorsements are the way to influence people? No, thanks! I saw what happened to John Kerry 4 years ago - and that man had ALL of Hollywood cheering for him...
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:48 AM
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HE is an idiot....he is an ACTOR>....what does he know about politics and WHY do people care what he thinks.....DInosaurs???????? I think he has a few screws loose....Sherri
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:31 AM
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Hey, Matt! Shut up and act! (Not that I'll be seeing any his movies anytime soon.) What a joke. I wonder if he really thinks the rest of the country takes him as seriously as he takes himself?
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:43 AM
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Hey, Matt! Shut up and act! (Not that I'll be seeing any his movies anytime soon.) What a joke. I wonder if he really thinks the rest of the country takes him as seriously as he takes himself?

That's funny because my initial reaction was, when he says he doesn't know ANYTHING about Palin, "Hey Matt! How about getting out from in front of the camera and getting on Google?"

Why is it that they keep trying to make this about Palin, with the whole "McCain is gonna be dead" thing? His mother is 95 for crying out loud! Is it because they don't really have anything bad to say about McCain? Oh yeah, except he talks about being a POW too much and his wife got addicted to pain killers and spends too much of her own money on clothes.
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None of really know much about Sarah Palin. And, Matt Damon has as much right as anyone else in this country as anyone else. I absolutely share his concerns.

I believe that Palin was not making innocent inquiries about book banning. And, frankly, believing that dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago defies all science known to man.

As far as McCain's age goes, he has a one in three chance of dying in the next 4 years. It's true that his mother is 95 (she also has a twin sister who is still with us) and his mother is sharp as a tack. McCain's father, however, died at the age of 70.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:28 AM
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None of really know much about Sarah Palin. And, Matt Damon has as much right as anyone else in this country as anyone else. I absolutely share his concerns.

I believe that Palin was not making innocent inquiries about book banning. And, frankly, believing that dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago defies all science known to man.

As far as McCain's age goes, he has a one in three chance of dying in the next 4 years. It's true that his mother is 95 (she also has a twin sister who is still with us) and his mother is sharp as a tack. McCain's father, however, died at the age of 70.


And don't forget that he was a POW for a few years which has got to take some toll in his health, I would think.
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HE is an idiot....he is an ACTOR>....what does he know about politics and WHY do people care what he thinks.....DInosaurs???????? I think he has a few screws loose....Sherri
Hmm, an idiot? He attended Harvard. I don't think they generally accept idiots into their programs there (can't quite say the same for Yale...unless you are a legacy, of course).

What does he know about politics? As much as you do. He is an American, born and raised, and has an opinion about the race just as much as you do. The only difference is your opinions are on a coupon board and his get caught on camera.

Why do people care what he thinks? For the same reason you want people to care what you think. Because you want your vote to matter. You want your issues to be tended to. It's the same reason why you post here....

He brings up an interesting point when he mentions Dinosaurs. If you don't understand the connection, then that's your problem. Maybe it isn't a concern of yours that someone would chose creationism over science, but it is a concern of his. You speak about what matters to you, he speaks about what matters to him.

Finally, you may not agree with him on his points, but he is still someone that should be respected. He is actively trying to make a difference globally with all that money he makes as a "screw-loose" actor and putting his fame to good use. He does plenty of work on the AIDS front, he's been very vocal and sent funding to Darfur, and has taken an active role in enviormental issue here in the states. ACTing on real global issues.

So, shame on you all for saying expressing his opinion about a candidate and discounting him because "he's just an actor." He is also an American, and by posting here, you are doing the same thing....expressing yourself and your opinion.
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:01 PM
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Hey, Matt! Shut up and act! (Not that I'll be seeing any his movies anytime soon.) What a joke. I wonder if he really thinks the rest of the country takes him as seriously as he takes himself?
See my above post.

How about you follow your own advice....shut up and act.
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Hmm, an idiot? He attended Harvard. I don't think they generally accept idiots into their programs there (can't quite say the same for Yale...unless you are a legacy, of course).

What does he know about politics? As much as you do. He is an American, born and raised, and has an opinion about the race just as much as you do. The only difference is your opinions are on a coupon board and his get caught on camera.

Why do people care what he thinks? For the same reason you want people to care what you think. Because you want your vote to matter. You want your issues to be tended to. It's the same reason why you post here....

He brings up an interesting point when he mentions Dinosaurs. If you don't understand the connection, then that's your problem. Maybe it isn't a concern of yours that someone would chose creationism over science, but it is a concern of his. You speak about what matters to you, he speaks about what matters to him.

Finally, you may not agree with him on his points, but he is still someone that should be respected. He is actively trying to make a difference globally with all that money he makes as a "screw-loose" actor and putting his fame to good use. He does plenty of work on the AIDS front, he's been very vocal and sent funding to Darfur, and has taken an active role in enviormental issue here in the states. ACTing on real global issues.

So, shame on you all for saying expressing his opinion about a candidate and discounting him because "he's just an actor." He is also an American, and by posting here, you are doing the same thing....expressing yourself and your opinion.
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None of really know much about Sarah Palin. And, Matt Damon has as much right as anyone else in this country as anyone else. I absolutely share his concerns.

I believe that Palin was not making innocent inquiries about book banning. And, frankly, believing that dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago defies all science known to man.

As far as McCain's age goes, he has a one in three chance of dying in the next 4 years. It's true that his mother is 95 (she also has a twin sister who is still with us) and his mother is sharp as a tack. McCain's father, however, died at the age of 70.
Can you please show where you got that info?

Because according to this actuarial table. . .it's only 14%.
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I really don't care what Damon has to say. He's just another person saying his opinion, which he is entitled to. The I problem I have is that he says he knows NOTHING about Palin (and then makes some references about her being a small town mayor. . .blah blah blah, with some really pained looks on his face like he's all confused). But then goes on to say some things that shows he obviously DOES know some purported things about her, along with talking about some rumors that have already been debunked.

So. . .which is it? If he says those things then he must obviously know some things about her, or at least some of the spin that's out there about her. He's lying when he says he doesn't know ANYTHING about her. So, we have to ask why he would say that? Oh, must be because part of the spin against her is that she's a relative newcomer. So he is just spinning. If he is in fact soooo smart, why doesn't he talk about some real issues about her? There are some valid ones.

In the end I could care less. He wasn't caught on camera, just simply taping himself rambling on. If you go on youtube, you can watch the same thing. . .endless idiots giving their spin on any candidate. His isn't any better, and just makes himself look like an idiot for sinking to the same level.
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He brings up an interesting point when he mentions Dinosaurs. If you don't understand the connection, then that's your problem. Maybe it isn't a concern of yours that someone would chose creationism over science, but it is a concern of his. You speak about what matters to you, he speaks about what matters to him.

You can be a creationist and still believe that dinosaurs were around 4000-6000 years ago. I believe that God created the dinosaurs just as he created everything else. I believe when the flood occurred, God had dinosaurs on the ark just like the other animals. If you'll read in the Book of Job in the Bible (Job 14:15-24), the Bible speaks of dinosaurs, calling them 'behemoth' and that their tails were like cedar trees.
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You can be a creationist and still believe that dinosaurs were around 4000-6000 years ago. I believe that God created the dinosaurs just as he created everything else. I believe when the flood occurred, God had dinosaurs on the ark just like the other animals. If you'll read in the Book of Job in the Bible (Job 14:15-24), the Bible speaks of dinosaurs, calling them 'behemoth' and that their tails were like cedar trees.
There's a huge difference between belief and science. And, I believe that the Bible was never, ever intended to be taken as a science text.
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He brings up an interesting point when he mentions Dinosaurs. If you don't understand the connection, then that's your problem. Maybe it isn't a concern of yours that someone would chose creationism over science, but it is a concern of his. You speak about what matters to you, he speaks about what matters to him. . . . . .

He is also an American, and by posting here, you are doing the same thing....expressing yourself and your opinion.
As far as the Dinosaur reference:

Palin, Oct. 25, 2006:
Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject – creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.

A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying:

Palin, Oct. 2006:
I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.



I think Damon can stop fretting about the dinosaurs. As you said earlier, she is an American and is entitled to express her personal opinion on the subject.

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As far as the Dinosaur reference:

Palin, Oct. 25, 2006:
Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject – creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.

A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying:

Palin, Oct. 2006:
I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.



I think Damon can stop fretting about the dinosaurs. As you said earlier, she is an American and is entitled to express her personal opinion on the subject.

ETA source: FactCheck.org: Sliming Palin
Here's the problem. There is no controversy within the scientific community. To discuss such foolishness would be like having an astronaut on a news show to talk about a new discovery they made in space and making him debate a person who believes that the earth is flat.
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See my above post.

How about you follow your own advice....shut up and act.
Gosh, is that a personal attack?

Alas, I'm not an actor. I'm just a woman who happens to know a thing or two about Sarah Palin, which, apparently, is more than Harvard-educated Matt Damon does. In Matt's case, rather than doing some research on her, he chose to proclaim his ignorance and put such ignorance in the public spotlight. When you do that, you open yourself to whatever criticism may come your way. I'm sure Matt would be thrilled to know how vociferously and valiantly you chose to defend him, however.
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Here's the problem. There is no controversy within the scientific community. To discuss such foolishness would be like having an astronaut on a news show to talk about a new discovery they made in space and making him debate a person who believes that the earth is flat.
I'd like to know where you get the idea that there is no controversy within the scientific community. There is plenty if controversy. And just because you think something is foolish doesn't mean it shouldn't be open for debate.
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Here's the problem. There is no controversy within the scientific community. To discuss such foolishness would be like having an astronaut on a news show to talk about a new discovery they made in space and making him debate a person who believes that the earth is flat.

There certainly is controversy within the scientific community.

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"I truly believe that people like myself, who are in a position of entertainers in the limelight, should keep their mouth shut on politics," the rap-rock musician, 37, tells CMT Insider.

"Because at the end of the day," he goes on to say, "I'm good at writing songs and singing. What I'm not educated in is the field of political science. And so for me to be sharing my views and influencing people of who I think they should be voting for ... I think would be very irresponsible on my part."

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I couldn't agree more! What is sad is not that Matt Damon has a political opinion (oooh - and it must be a good one - he DID go to Harvard...) but that we all need to know it, and some people even care...

That is much different than our fun little coupon message board, where we all anonymously sound off. I hope everyone can see the difference here...
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"I truly believe that people like myself, who are in a position of entertainers in the limelight, should keep their mouth shut on politics," the rap-rock musician, 37, tells CMT Insider.

"Because at the end of the day," he goes on to say, "I'm good at writing songs and singing. What I'm not educated in is the field of political science. And so for me to be sharing my views and influencing people of who I think they should be voting for ... I think would be very irresponsible on my part."

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Holy Crow! Sometimes you hear nuggets of wisdom from the strangest of places! While I don't necessarily think Kid Rock is right about many things--I think he is a gazillion percent right about this...
I heard him say that a while back and couldn't agree more. Too bad the Talented Mr. Damon doesn't feel the same way. I think Toby Keith, who is actually a democrat, has a similar stance as Kid Rock on discussing politics.
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Hey, Matt! Shut up and act! (Not that I'll be seeing any his movies anytime soon.)
Ditto. I 'm sure that when attendance of his next movie doesn't match expectations, Matt will be whining about his right to free speech and how dare anyone penalize him for expressing himself (the way the Dixie Chicks did when they were boycotted). These idiot entertainers with the big mouths never seem to be able to grasp the fact that other people have the right to not spend their money on someone who expressed views they don't like.
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I think that low information celebrities like Kid Rock are wise to keep their mouths shut. Matt Damon, however, is far better informed. Why should he have less of a right to express his concerns than you or I do?

And as far as the hackneyed phrase, "shut up and act.", what right do you have to tell someone else what to think or say?
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I think that low information celebrities like Kid Rock are wise to keep their mouths shut. Matt Damon, however, is far better informed. Why should he have less of a right to express his concerns than you or I do?
Are you now the gate-keeper? Do you personally maintain a list of celebrities who do and don't pass the muster?

And what is the muster?

I just think that some startruck people sadly can become influenced by celebrity status, which is - well, dangerous.

I mean - really - "Matt Damon, however is far better informed." This is a perfect example of the unnecessary influence celebritydom has on some voters (and posters)...creepy!!!

As I've said, they have every reason to be allowed to express themselves. The real question is - Why are YOU listening to THEM?

How about we stick to using these boards to debate, rather than brag about which celebrity is "on our side" in politics?
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I think that low information celebrities like Kid Rock are wise to keep their mouths shut. Matt Damon, however, is far better informed. Why should he have less of a right to express his concerns than you or I do?
When dealing w/ "stars" voice their political views--I'm reminded of the adage "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt" or something like that.
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When dealing w/ "stars" voice their political views--I'm reminded of the adage "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt" or something like that.
Susan Serandon could learn a thing or five from this quote, as well.
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When dealing w/ "stars" voice their political views--I'm reminded of the adage "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt" or something like that.
Exactly! You know what bothers me about the Dems using a lot of celebrity endorsements? It implies that the American people are stupid and can't think for themselves. I don't give a rats ass what Damon or Diddy think! I'll think for myself, thank you very much! I'm interested in truths, not some celebrity's opinion.

I'm not a conservative, like some of you think. I'm actually a centrist. What bothers me about this election, is all the blatant lying and rumors coming from the liberal side. I like to get to the truth of the matter and then make my own educated decision. Just tell us the facts, and let the American people make their own decisions.

Here's a little fact for you, you know all the hoopla about Palin and the Bridge to Know Where? The Dems want to point out what a horrible thing that was. . .then why did Obama vote to support it twice? McCain opposed that legislation.

Truths people. . .
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I'd like to know where you get the idea that there is no controversy within the scientific community. There is plenty if controversy. And just because you think something is foolish doesn't mean it shouldn't be open for debate.
The man who started the Intelligent Design theory is an actual molecular biologist. He is also a Moonie with ulterior motives.

There are some disagreements within the scientific community as to the methodology changes take. There is no controversy whatsoever over the validity of the theory of evolution.
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Are you now the gate-keeper? Do you personally maintain a list of celebrities who do and don't pass the muster?

And what is the muster?

I just think that some startruck people sadly can become influenced by celebrity status, which is - well, dangerous.

I mean - really - "Matt Damon, however is far better informed." This is a perfect example of the unnecessary influence celebritydom has on some voters (and posters)...creepy!!!

As I've said, they have every reason to be allowed to express themselves. The real question is - Why are YOU listening to THEM?

How about we stick to using these boards to debate, rather than brag about which celebrity is "on our side" in politics?
The fact that Damon knows his facts is an influence; not the fact that he's a celebrity. The only person that I ever met who struck me with awe was John Glenn.
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I'm not a conservative, like some of you think. I'm actually a centrist. What bothers me about this election, is all the blatant lying and rumors coming from the liberal side. I like to get to the truth of the matter and then make my own educated decision. Just tell us the facts, and let the American people make their own decisions.


Truths people. . .[/QUOTE]

How can you call yourself a centrist without recognizing the lies that are coming from the neocons as well? Well I guess you can call yourself whatever you choose, but the rest of us will have to make our own judgments on whether you are a centrist or a typical conservative who misuses language. If you are a centrist then so am I because I keep seeing all the lies and blatant rumors started by the cons.
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The man who started the Intelligent Design theory is an actual molecular biologist. He is also a Moonie with ulterior motives.

There are some disagreements within the scientific community as to the methodology changes take. There is no controversy whatsoever over the validity of the theory of evolution.

Here's an interesting link:

Creation-evolution controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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How can you call yourself a centrist without recognizing the lies that are coming from the neocons as well? Well I guess you can call yourself whatever you choose, but the rest of us will have to make our own judgments on whether you are a centrist or a typical conservative who misuses language. If you are a centrist then so am I because I keep seeing all the lies and blatant rumors started by the cons.
Give me some examples.
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Are you now the gate-keeper? Do you personally maintain a list of celebrities who do and don't pass the muster?

And what is the muster?

I just think that some startruck people sadly can become influenced by celebrity status, which is - well, dangerous.

I mean - really - "Matt Damon, however is far better informed." This is a perfect example of the unnecessary influence celebritydom has on some voters (and posters)...creepy!!!

As I've said, they have every reason to be allowed to express themselves. The real question is - Why are YOU listening to THEM?

How about we stick to using these boards to debate, rather than brag about which celebrity is "on our side" in politics?
I have my own opinion of who is informed and who isn't informed. It doesn't apply to just celebrities.
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I have my own opinion of who is informed and who isn't informed. It doesn't apply to just celebrities.
Better do some checking to educate your opinions then!!!! Matt was quoting rumors that have since been squelched. So much for his being 'informed'. lol
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Better do some checking to educate your opinions then!!!! Matt was quoting rumors that have since been squelched. So much for his being 'informed'. lol

That's what I was thinking, too.
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How can you call yourself a centrist without recognizing the lies that are coming from the neocons as well? Well I guess you can call yourself whatever you choose, but the rest of us will have to make our own judgments on whether you are a centrist or a typical conservative who misuses language. If you are a centrist then so am I because I keep seeing all the lies and blatant rumors started by the cons.

I was looking up neocon, and found this sight: interesting.

Are You a Neocon?
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I was looking up neocon, and found this sight: interesting.

Are You a Neocon?
I've already seen that. I'm a Centrist.

Still waiting on the lies and rumors thing. . .
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Better do some checking to educate your opinions then!!!! Matt was quoting rumors that have since been squelched. So much for his being 'informed'. lol
The only thing Matt referred to was the fact that she wanted to ban books. There is no other explanantion for the inquiry. He also referred to the tenets of her the Pentecostal church that she attended.

I do not believe that Sarah was inquiring into a procedure change.
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Give me some examples.
You first.
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The only thing Matt referred to was the fact that she wanted to ban books. There is no other explanantion for the inquiry. He also referred to the tenets of her the Pentecostal church that she attended.

I do not believe that Sarah was inquiring into a procedure change.
He talked about the book banning thing and the dinosaur topic. BOTH not accurate when he commented on what she said/did/thinks about it.
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