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Old 09-10-2008, 02:01 PM
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Earmarks/wasteful spending

I just heard on the cable news that a watchdog group found these statistics. (Can I link it? Not at this point in time.)
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Voting with the people (ie against the earmarks):
John McCain 100%
Obama 10%
Biden 0%
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Old 09-10-2008, 03:02 PM
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I just heard on the cable news that a watchdog group found these statistics. (Can I link it? Not at this point in time.)
35 votes
Voting with the people (ie against the earmarks):
John McCain 100%
Obama 10%
Biden 0%
McCain is, and has been, very anti-earmark.

From January 2006:

Appearing as a witness on the opening day of a Senate hearing on lobbying reform, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was one of several senators to denounce earmarking, a practice he called "disgraceful." He outlined one of several proposals to tighten rules and require greater disclosure of lobbying activities. But he told the committee, "We're not going to fix this system until we fix the earmarks". . .

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.), the top Democrat on the committee, said he and McCain have proposed legislation -- the Bipartisan Lobbying Transparency and Accountability Act of 2005 -- that would require more frequent and detailed disclosure of lobbying activities "and, for the first time, full disclosure from grassroots lobbying firms paid to conduct mass television or direct mail campaigns to influence members of Congress." One such firm was used by Abramoff to conceal millions of dollars in payments that he received from overcharging Indian tribes, Lieberman said. . .

McCain said his reform bill, among other things, requires lobbyists to disclose their involvement in congressional travel and report gifts worth more than $20. Members of Congress would be required to pay the fair market value of charter flights for travel on private airplanes and would have to file reports of meetings, tours, events or outings in which they participated while on official travel.

McCain also said that "if we don't stop the earmarking, we're not going to stop the abuses of power here in Washington." He suggested that his own party was largely responsible.


McCainÂ*Calls to Reform Pork Barrel Politics - washingtonpost.com

From April 2008:

McCain is among only six members of the Senate who don't ask for pet projects. Obama does, though his requests are generally modest when compared to more senior senators like Illinois colleague Dick Durbin, a fellow Democrat.

Obama joined with other lawmakers last year to obtain almost $100 million worth of earmarks for Illinois. Clinton worked with others to win $342 million in pet projects for New York and Pelosi obtained $94 million for California.



Nation & World | Obama, Clinton Join McCain Vs. Earmarks | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:49 PM
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Speaking of McCain and earmarks

McCain's Fantasy War on Earmarks - Fact Checker

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"The CRS study breaks down earmarks by different government departments, without giving a global figure. According to Scott Lilly, a former Democratic appropriations staffer now with the Center for American Progress Action Fund, the CRS study identifies a total of $52 billion in earmarks for a single year. However, much of this money is tied to items such as foreign aid to countries like Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, that McCain says he will not touch."

And:
"By most definitions of the term, the amount of money spent on earmarks is much lower than the CRS study. The Office for Management and the Budget came up with a figure for $16.9 billion in the 2008 appropriation bills. Taxpayers for Commonsense, an independent watchdog group that focuses on wasteful spending, identified $18.3 billion worth of earmarks in the 2008 bills, a 23 per cent cut from a record $23.6 billion set in 2005.

How much of this $18.3 billion could be eliminated is a "difficult question that we have not yet figured out," said Taxpayers for Commonsense vice-president Steve Ellis. The figure includes such items as $4 billion for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which could not be eliminated without halting hundreds of construction projects around the country. Another big chunk goes to military construction, including housing for servicemen and their families, which McCain has also promised not to touch."
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:25 PM
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Speaking of McCain and earmarks

McCain's Fantasy War on Earmarks - Fact Checker

In part:
"The CRS study breaks down earmarks by different government departments, without giving a global figure. According to Scott Lilly, a former Democratic appropriations staffer now with the Center for American Progress Action Fund, the CRS study identifies a total of $52 billion in earmarks for a single year. However, much of this money is tied to items such as foreign aid to countries like Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, that McCain says he will not touch."

And:
"By most definitions of the term, the amount of money spent on earmarks is much lower than the CRS study. The Office for Management and the Budget came up with a figure for $16.9 billion in the 2008 appropriation bills. Taxpayers for Commonsense, an independent watchdog group that focuses on wasteful spending, identified $18.3 billion worth of earmarks in the 2008 bills, a 23 per cent cut from a record $23.6 billion set in 2005.

How much of this $18.3 billion could be eliminated is a "difficult question that we have not yet figured out," said Taxpayers for Commonsense vice-president Steve Ellis. The figure includes such items as $4 billion for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which could not be eliminated without halting hundreds of construction projects around the country. Another big chunk goes to military construction, including housing for servicemen and their families, which McCain has also promised not to touch."

Ok. So McCain has promised to not touch earmarks that are already in place, that he didn't ask for.

I'd be interested in seeing what the foreign aid ones are for, considering the situation we are in in the Middle East. And it looks like the $4 billion is for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which could not be eliminated without halting hundreds of construction projects around the country. I wonder how much of the 4 billion has to do with the levies in NO? And another big chunk for housing for servicemen and their families.

Hardly proves that he isn't interested in cutting unnecessary earmarks. And it doesn't look like he was asking for anything self-serving.

Obama, on the other hand, can't claim the same:

Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years, and his campaign challenged Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to do the same.

The list included $1 million for a hospital where Mr. Obama’s wife works, money for several projects linked to campaign donors and support for more than 200 towns, civic institutions and universities in Illinois.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us...ign.html?fta=y

You can't make this stuff up folks!
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:56 PM
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"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

Palin's earmarks: Not just for the halibut - Politico.com Print View
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:07 PM
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"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

Palin's earmarks: Not just for the halibut - Politico.com Print View
This is from Politico. Find another source. . .you can read through all the house appropriations bills if you like.
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