Obama "Lipstick On A Pig" Video


Looks like Obama made a blunder yesterday by saying "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." From the response of the audience, you can tell exactly what they're thinking -- that Obama meant it as a slam to Gov. Palin's remark about the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom -- lipstick. Of course, Obama says that wasn't what he was referring to and that the McCain camp is making something of nothing.

After seeing it on the news and the response of the audience as Obama is saying it, yep, you can tell that's exactly what he was referring to (a little tongue in cheek jab) and then he acts like what in the world are you talking about?

Hmmmm...... I think it was a low shot on Obama's part. Talk about being sexist!

In defense of Obama (and you know I'm not an Obama "fan")--I've heard that phrase for as long as I can remember. Both of grandmother's used it when someone was putting on airs--and when dealing w/ door to door salesmen.

Bad timing in using that phrase? Oh YEAH! Was he directly slamming Palin? I don't know. I don't think he was calling anyone a pig in the truest sense of the word---Was he saying that she was of the same ilk as Bush? Probably.

I don't know--I just wish one day could go by w/o one camp accusing the other of some misconduct!

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Was he calling Sara Palin a pig??? I have heard about this, and I am just not understanding it at the moment.

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Ok, after reading MarilynK's reply, I guess that is what people are thinking. Honestly, I think the Republican camp should just let this one go, and move on. There are bigger fish to fry, kwim???

It's really getting ridiculous isn't it??

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YouTube - McCAIN:

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YouTube - John McCain likes "Lipstick on a Pig" references too

I see I am not the only one who knew about the McCain remarks. I agree with a previous poster. I think that whole line is better left alone.

This is what I was thinking. And I was going to post that McCain has actually used it, in reference to Clinton's health care plan, I think. I think it's a non-issue, albeit interesting timing by Obama.

ETA I see somebody beat me to it about McCain using it.

AND I wish we could stop talking about lipstick. I want to know more about this whole ACORN issue.

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I think Sen. Obama was actually referring to his days on O'ahu at Punahou School. Surely their were luaus involved, and they like to decorate those pigs all perty before they roast them.

Yes, read my lipstick.....let's move on. LOL.

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It's the fact that he referenced something that Sarah said at the convention. It was not appropriate for Obama to use it NOW. Not after what Sarah said and it being all over the news. It's the whole timing thing....

You are ASSUMING that he is referencing that. He never mentioned Palin, he was discussing McCain's "change" policies. People will believe what they want to believe....either way.

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Oh come on, you understand how this has played out and how it could be taken wrong. Not a smart move on Obamas part.

My goodness, did you actually SEE and HEAR the audience's reaction when he was saying it?? They knew exactly what he was referring to! And then he acts all smug and clueless. Come on!!

This expression has been used in politics many many times. On the network news tonight they even showed clips of several different politicians using it. If he had been discussing Palin and her politics when he said it, I could see your point, but he wasn't. Like I said, people will believe what they want. I believe what I saw/heard, you will see it differently because you are on the opposing side.

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He knew what he was doing and did it in a way that he could say "What???" JMHO

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Also just discovered that right before the 'pig in lipstick' line, he copied almost word for word a cartoon that was in The Washington Post on September 5th!! Who said Obama writes his own speeches?!!! Why, he uses cartoons!!

Wait a minute, Palin references a dog and lipstick, not referring to herself, then Obamba references a pig and lipstick and suddenly it's sexist???
I think some are reaching here

I find his response to the controversy more disturbing than the comment itself. He's so arrogant. yuck.

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I'm not sure why you think Palin wasn't referring to herself when she originally made the lipstick joke at the RNC. I heard her, and that is exactly who she was referring to, herself and all of the other hockey moms that were cheering for her in the crowd. So, it seems logical to me that the connection would be made.

Do I think that he conciously called her a pig? No, I don't, but I do think that his audience at his speech thought that's what he was referring to, based on their reaction.

I think the word lipstick was still at the front of his mind after getting so much attention at the RNC and it just came out during his speech.

So in your reasoning then she called all hockey moms dogs? Oh my god I am outraged!

No, the line was....what's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull.......lipstick. And she was referring to herself....the hockey mom.

Obama should have just stayed away from lipstick all together after she used it. Just wise is all.

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Exactly! So she wasn't referring to anyone in particular. Neither was Obama. Get over yourself already Palin

I didn't find anything sexist about what he said. Geez! I didn't even think he was talking about her when he said it. I think people like to read things into any little thing that's said.

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I haven't heard anything about Palin saying a word about this. relax

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No, she referred to hockey moms, herself included, as pitbulls, not dogs. . . different connotation. Calling somebody a pitbull refers to strength and aggressiveness.

I recant what I posted above. I had not seen the video yet.

This is what he said:

OBAMA: Let's just list this for a second. John McCain says he's about change, too. Except -- and so I guess his whole angle is, "Watch out, George Bush, except for economic policy, health-care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove-style politics. We're really gonna shake things up in Washington." That's not change. That's just calling some -- the same thing, something different. But you know, you can -- you know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig.

He lifts it directly from this Toles cartoon:



If you notice in the video, he messes up a little. He starts to quote Toles, but forgets the beginning, catches himself and goes back to it. The entire riff was scripted. The fact that he pauses and the audience laughs only supports that the innuendo was intended.

He most definitely was calling Palin a pig. That doesn't even bother me much. What bothers me more is that instead of admitting that he made a bad choice in delivering the tasteless jab and just apologizing for it. He claims ignorance, like the American people are stupid and don't get it. Making a poor decision about a tasteless joke is forgivable. McCain apologized to Clinton after making the tasteless Chelsea Clinton joke. Playing the. . .uh. . .I don't know WHAT your talking about game and lying about it isn't. Just illustrates his character. He needs new campaign advisers.

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Wow, hambirg!

And you're right - his delivery did seem scripted. His body language somehow said he was waiting for a reaction.

And I agree - he really should have just said, "I'm sorry - the other side seems to have dibs on lipstick jokes, and I overstepped. You can have your lipstick jokes. We're gonna talk issues here."

His reaction is what gave it legs.

FWIW, I haven't heard Palin say word one about it. I don't think she needs to get over anything. Somehow I think this rolled right off her back and made her laugh and shake her head.

so pitbulls aren't dogs?

Huh?

That's not the issue. It's the CONNOTATION behind CALLING someone a pitbull vs. a dog.

Good grief. . .nevermind.

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Enter Exhibit A: my signature line. That is basically the line she used the night of the RNC, after she said she was just a hockey mom, joined the PTA.......

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They shouldn't be the ticket for change, they should be the ticket for plageuerism(sp).

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Yeah, Biden has a problem with it too.

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He knew exactly what he was saying......no doubt about it....now he is trying to twist it and act like everyone else is to blame but him.....Yes other politicians have used it....but he knew very well in what context he meant it...and so did the audience...now he is doing his back peddling again..........Sherri

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I'm laughing that this is even a story, good gracious I think I've heard Sarah quote her lipstick line 100 times in the past 3 days & Barry's pig comment 75 in the last day! Get on to something else already! Sarahs out eating dead babies or something!

It is beyond absurd that Obama was talking about Palin. It had it's desired effect; nobody is talking about the issues.

I had the same thought.

"What an absurd thing to say, Mr. Obama. Do you not have a clue how small it made you look to go that low?"

I agree. Whoever it was in the Obama camp that thought making that tasteless innuendo was a good idea, needs to be fired!

I wish he would just apologize and we could all move on.

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I cannot believe that anyone has never heard the phrase, "lipstick on a pig" before. I just cannot. Yes, Sarah Palin wears lipstick. No, Obama was not calling her a pig. No, (I have heard faux outrage also over the next comment) Obama did not call McCain a stinky old fish.

The feigned outrage is absurd.

It wasn't just the phrase. It was the context it was used in and that fact that it was intentional.

You are right, he didn't call McCain a stinky old fish. . .he was still referring to Palin when he made that comment. I don't think he said stinky either.

ETA: I don't know how to explain to you anymore that it was, in fact, an innuendo referring to Palin.

Let's just make an analogy. We all know how much Obama talks about "change". He said it a lot in his acceptance speech at the DNC. Now let's suppose McCain is giving a speech about earmarks, and he says they are like "panhandlers asking for change", then he pauses and everyone laughs. He is clearly making the innuendo that Obama is a panhandler! Which, by the way, is much less offensive than calling someone a pig.

I could really care less that Obama called Palin a pig, but I understand why people would think that was rude.

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"Let's just list this for a second," he said Tuesday. "John McCain says he's about change, too. And so I guess his whole angle is, 'Watch out, George Bush. Except for economic policy, health-care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics, we're going to really shake things up in Washington. That's not change. That's just calling some -- the same thing something different. But you know, you can't, you can put, uh, lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig.
You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still going to stink after eight years.”

And, yes, McCain's "truth squad" members are trying to say that Obama was trying to imply that McCain is a smelly old fish.

Stupidist faux controversy ever.

I take that back. . .it does sound like he was referring to McCain with the old fish comment.

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I think he was referring to President Bush as the fish (since he made the comment 'after eight years.' )

Yeah. .. Bush is the old fish and McCain is the newspaper.

Damn! Who cares? I want to know about ACORN!!!

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OH YOU ARE KIDDING? Right? My goodness, some of you people must wear your feelings on your sleeve and get them hurt a lot!!

Sometimes, you have to take statements at face value and not read into them something completely different. Yes, this applies to both sides. I'm a simply dumbfounded that people are reading so much into a poorly executed statement (Obama is not, IMHO, a great public speaker).

It appears to me (and I'm being objective--'cause I don't like either party's candidate)--that some (a lot) of McCain's followers are just looking for something to pounce on. Could we PLEASE discuss the actual issues--and not some perceived verbal slight?

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See above post.

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It's all part of the latest scheme to make you think that everybody is picking on Sarah. Poor little thing.

No scheme. . .unless Obama was part of the scheme, because he said it.

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How in your twisted little mind does the term "lipstick on a pig" reference Palin? And, the fish? Is that because Alaska has fish? If Obama mentions oil, would that be a referemce to Palin too?

Maybe you should send him a list of words he cannot use like, mother, plane, dog, governor, trooper, library, book banning, scandal, chef and infant.

I've already posted in quite depth that shows how it was an innuendo implying to Palin. If youdon't get it that's fine. You apparently are the one person in the group who never gets the joke. There is always one.

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Exactly!!!

For heaven's sake, none of this stuff even matters! It's like middle school he-said she-said nonsense. A slip of the tongue here, a poorly chosen phrase there...who gives a rat's ass? I want to know about their plans to deal with the economy, the war, salvaging Social Security, digging our way back out of this abyss of debt we've gotten into. I couldn't care less about any of this other fluff, and I certainly wouldn't be making any decisions based on it.

Maureen

I agrree wholeheartedly!!!

The only reason I was making an issue of it is because he doesn't just admit it was a "poorly chosen phrase". Nobody really cares! Just own up and move on to the issues.

I keep saying I want to know more about ACORN!

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I think ACORN is some radical group, isn't it??? I tried Googling it, and have a splitting head ache right now, so can't really did too indepth of it.

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