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Old 09-13-2008, 05:30 PM
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Question The Bush Doctrine

Ok, does anyone know what the Bush Doctrine is all about??? I admit, I have no clue. When I googled it, this is one of the responses.

So, looks like it was Charlie Gibson's gaffe on Bush doctrine, not Sarah Palin's | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times
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Old 09-13-2008, 05:42 PM
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Here is the full Krauthammer article..
No 'gotcha' for Charles Gibson
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Old 09-13-2008, 09:36 PM
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Here ya go!

Urban Dictionary: bush doctrine
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Old 09-14-2008, 12:13 AM
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Urban Dictionary is the slang dictionary you wrote. Define your world

You are not going to get the entire definition from a slang dictionary. Try Wikepedia.

The Bush Doctrine is a term used to describe the foreign policy doctrine of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. It may be viewed as a set of several related foreign policy principles, including stress on ending terrorism, spreading democracy, increased unilateralism in foreign policy and an expanded view of American national security interests. Foreign policy experts argue over the meaning of the term "Bush Doctrine," and some scholars have suggested that there is no one unified theory underlying Bush's foreign policy. Jacob Weisberg identifies six successive "Bush Doctrines" in his book The Bush Tragedy,[1] while former Bush staffer Peter D. Feaver has counted seven.[2]

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Old 09-14-2008, 12:31 AM
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Urban Dictionary is the slang dictionary you wrote. Define your world

You are not going to get the entire definition from a slang dictionary. Try Wikepedia.
Lol...I think it was a joke

Quote from UD:

"If that asshat so much as looks at me again, I'm going to Bush Doctrine his face into the ground."



Asshat... one of my favorite words.
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Old 09-14-2008, 10:26 AM
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Urban Dictionary is the slang dictionary you wrote. Define your world

You are not going to get the entire definition from a slang dictionary. Try Wikepedia.

The Bush Doctrine is a term used to describe the foreign policy doctrine of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. It may be viewed as a set of several related foreign policy principles, including stress on ending terrorism, spreading democracy, increased unilateralism in foreign policy and an expanded view of American national security interests. Foreign policy experts argue over the meaning of the term "Bush Doctrine," and some scholars have suggested that there is no one unified theory underlying Bush's foreign policy. Jacob Weisberg identifies six successive "Bush Doctrines" in his book The Bush Tragedy,[1] while former Bush staffer Peter D. Feaver has counted seven.[2]

Bush Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yeah it was a joke....

For that matter so is Wikipedia. Pretty much anyone can write in Wikipedia. Like me...or you. So take their definitions for what it's worth.

Visitors do not need specialized qualifications to contribute, since their primary role is to write articles that cover existing knowledge; this means that people of all ages and cultural and social backgrounds can write Wikipedia articles. Most of the articles can be edited by anyone with access to the Internet, simply by clicking the edit this page link. Anyone is welcome to add information, cross-references or citations, as long as they do so within Wikipedia's editing policies and to an appropriate standard.
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Old 09-14-2008, 11:21 AM
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Yeah it was a joke....

For that matter so is Wikipedia. Pretty much anyone can write in Wikipedia. Like me...or you. So take their definitions for what it's worth.

Visitors do not need specialized qualifications to contribute, since their primary role is to write articles that cover existing knowledge; this means that people of all ages and cultural and social backgrounds can write Wikipedia articles. Most of the articles can be edited by anyone with access to the Internet, simply by clicking the edit this page link. Anyone is welcome to add information, cross-references or citations, as long as they do so within Wikipedia's editing policies and to an appropriate standard.
I understand how Wikipedia works. That being, have you ever read any of the forums there where people debate what gets included in the entries? I think those at Wikipedia do an very good job as to what gets included in a listing. If someone enters some unsubstantiatd crap on Wikipedia, it gets edited out pretty fast.

Sorry I didn't get the joke part of your post. Was just trying to point out that Urband legend wasn't going to have the complete definition.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:29 PM
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Had Gibson not specified a date, she would have had a claim to her confusion. The Bush Doctrine, quite simply put, regards preventative war. The notion is that if we suspect that a country might become a problem in the future, The United States has the right to attack and act unilaterally. In other words, based on our say so, we can attack any country that we so choose. We do not need to honor our word as given in any treaty. If you're not with us, you're against us.

This is not to be confused with preemptive war. The notion that knowledge of a threat gives us the right to defend ourselves. Think about the Cuban Misslile Crisis. Had we attacked Cuba, we would have acted in self defense even though we would have struck first.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:34 PM
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Had Gibson not specified a date, she would have had a claim to her confusion. The Bush Doctrine, quite simply put, regards preventative war. The notion is that if we suspect that a country might become a problem in the future, The United States has the right to attack and act unilaterally. In other words, based on our say so, we can attack any country that we so choose. We do not need to honor our word as given in any treaty. If you're not with us, you're against us.

This is not to be confused with preemptive war. The notion that knowledge of a threat gives us the right to defend ourselves. Think about the Cuban Misslile Crisis. Had we attacked Cuba, we would have acted in self defense even though we would have struck first.
Can you post the link to that quote?
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Can you post the link to that quote?
There's no quote in any of these sentences. These are my words. I have paid more attention to the news than most.
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
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This link explains the Bush Doctrine

V. Prevent Our Enemies from Threatening Us, Our Allies, and Our Friends with Weapons of Mass Destruction

I find a lot of fault with this type of doctrine. But it seems more and more people in Congress are going along with this type of thinking.

"A nation that has convinced itself that it has the right and the power to attack, kill and destroy anyone anywhere that it thinks might someday pose a vague threat is a danger to the entire world. What's more, the Constitution clearly does not allow such action." Britt Combs
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:35 PM
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This link explains the Bush Doctrine

V. Prevent Our Enemies from Threatening Us, Our Allies, and Our Friends with Weapons of Mass Destruction

I find a lot of fault with this type of doctrine. But it seems more and more people in Congress are going along with this type of thinking.

"A nation that has convinced itself that it has the right and the power to attack, kill and destroy anyone anywhere that it thinks might someday pose a vague threat is a danger to the entire world. What's more, the Constitution clearly does not allow such action." Britt Combs
Marion (McDowell) News | Britt Combs: Ron Paul got it right

You and I are in agreement here.
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Old 09-14-2008, 03:56 PM
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There's no quote in any of these sentences. These are my words. I have paid more attention to the news than most.
Hmmm. . .could have swore I read that earlier today, but ok.
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Old 09-14-2008, 04:18 PM
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This link explains the Bush Doctrine

V. Prevent Our Enemies from Threatening Us, Our Allies, and Our Friends with Weapons of Mass Destruction

I find a lot of fault with this type of doctrine. But it seems more and more people in Congress are going along with this type of thinking.

"A nation that has convinced itself that it has the right and the power to attack, kill and destroy anyone anywhere that it thinks might someday pose a vague threat is a danger to the entire world. What's more, the Constitution clearly does not allow such action." Britt Combs
Marion (McDowell) News | Britt Combs: Ron Paul got it right
Of the tenets laid out, it looks like we need to attack ourselves. The only thing we miss is hating America.

brutalize their own people and squander their national resources for the personal gain of the rulers;
display no regard for international law, threaten their neighbors, and callously violate international treaties to which they are party;
are determined to acquire weapons of mass destruction, along with other advanced military technology, to be used as threats or offensively to achieve the aggressive designs of these regimes;
sponsor terrorism around the globe; and
reject basic human values and hate the United States and everything for which it stands.
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The one thing that you need to know about the Bush Doctrine is that McCain approves and Obama does not.
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:39 AM
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Defining the “Bush Doctrine.”|Joshua Treviño
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:50 AM
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The one thing that you need to know about the Bush Doctrine is that McCain approves and Obama does not.
That would be fine for someone who wants to bury their head in the sand and not look at the facts. The fact is, from what I have read is that in the interview of Sarah Palin, done by Charlie Gibson, Charlie Gibson doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is, and he looked down his nose at Sarah Palin as if she were some sort of moron.

That reminds me of a parent that tells a child something, and the child questions it, and the parent's response is "because I say so". Not very fact finding, IMO.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:07 PM
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The one thing that you need to know about the Bush Doctrine is that McCain approves and Obama does not.
It's not quite that simple:


Obama, who said while running for the Senate that he opposed the war, was careful in an interview as recently as last fall to not criticize Clinton for her vote.

"I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence," he told The New Yorker in October. "We were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test."


Political Radar: Obama: Clinton Would Continue "Bush Doctrine"
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I have already said that Clinton, and others, voted for the war for purely political reasons. Bush was very careful with his timing to make sure that it took place in an election year.

Whether or not Clinton would continue the Bush Doctrine is a moot point.

Obama is on record saying he opposes the doctrine. McCain is on record as saying he supports it.

Gibson should have used the word "preventative" in lieu of "preemptive". Big deal.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:44 PM
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I have already said that Clinton, and others, voted for the war for purely political reasons. Bush was very careful with his timing to make sure that it took place in an election year.

Whether or not Clinton would continue the Bush Doctrine is a moot point.

Obama is on record saying he opposes the doctrine. McCain is on record as saying he supports it.

Gibson should have used the word "preventative" in lieu of "preemptive". Big deal.
Yes, Obama says he opposes it, and McCain says he does not. What I was implying in my above post is that we will never actually know how Obama would have voted, as he wasn't a senator at the time. If you look at his voting record it is not that cut and dry:

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack Hussein Obama Jr. - Voting Record


BTW I'm not impressed with anybody that votes on such an important issue "solely for political reasons." Say what you mean, mean what you say and let your voting record reflect that.
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The sad fact is that not many of the people we elected voted their conscience on this war of choice. Only 7 senators bothered to read the NIE on Iran before voting.
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The sad fact is that not many of the people we elected voted their conscience on this war of choice. Only 7 senators bothered to read the NIE on Iran before voting.
Hold on to your hat, I absolutely agree with you!
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The National Security Strategy 2002

I found this link, spoken of in this link:Five tries later, there is no Bush Doctrine. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine
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Its something the liberal media made up>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sherri
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