I have opinions about why I am not voting for Obama.

Can you change my opinions on these matters, or give me reasons why they should be overlooked or ignored?


So you think that Barack will respect the highest office in our country, when he can't even acknowledge our own Flag that so many have died protecting?

Barack refuses to salute our Flag

YouTube - Barack Hussein Obama refuses to salute US flag

Barack refuses to wear the American Flag pin

YouTube - Obama No flag pin for him

Barack removes the American Flag from his campaign plane and replaces with his trademark Red, White and Blue "O"
YouTube - OBAMA REMOVED AMERICAN FLAG FROM HIS AIRPLANE! ANTI-AMERICAN

Obama does not believe in freedom

YouTube - Dear Mr. Obama


Please, make sure you register and get out to vote during this important election. A VOTE FOR MC CAIN IS A VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!

I love our country and what it stands for. Show that you do as well, and with your vote show your respect for those who have fought to protect our Flag.

Nope.

Obama did not place his hand over his heart during the Pledge. It is never appropriate for a civilian to salute. Neither do I.

If wearing a cheap American flag pin is your only sign of patriotism, why doesn't McCain wear one?

The youtube video does not reflect anyone's view but the speaker's. We aren't fighting in Iraq for our freedom or anyone else's.

A vote for McCain is a vote for more Bush.

I have never heard of this? Why does everyone place their hand over their heart during the pledge or during this song? Do you have information/links to share to prove this viewpoint?

WTF? I have never in my entire 37 years heard that it's not appropriate for civilians to salute the flag (as in put your heart over your hand).

Military salutes are definitely different than placing your heart over your hand--but, could you please show me something, somewhere that says it's not appropriate to salute the flag?

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I would be interested in that too!

In Re: Wearing of the American Flag response by kvmj:

I saw this when I just did a search on if John McCain doesn't, in fact, wear a flag lapel pin. This was very well written and makes sense!

What do you think?

"I will try to explain it. John McCain served in the Military and spent almost 6 years of his life as a POW, and was tortured by the enemy. He has paid his dues and has nothing to prove to anyone about his being a Patriot. Obama on the other hand has done none of the above and won't even wear a flag pin on his lapel or place his hand over his heart for the national anthem. I don't think that's to much to expect from someone that is running for President of the United States. It's a sign of Respect. Respect is lacking for our great country and our veterans with young people in the United States. I don't think they know the meaning of the word."

But for the record, I saw many instances where he has worn the American Flag Lapel pin.

Obama leads and recites the pledge in the Senate. And yes, he puts his hand on his heart. See here (one example), around the 1:48 mark:
YouTube - Obama saying pledge of Allegiance


That is simply not true. I'm not sure why people deliberately lie like this.
It's simply a smear. The flag is displayed on the plane.

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We place our hands over our hearts as a salute and an honor sealing oath to our country.

"President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942. [3]"

FOund during a goggle search.

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He took the two big flags, the one on the tail and the one above the door off and only left the small flag that is necessary for identification and required for the plane.

That is the point. He took the other flags off..why?

AMulquin:

thanks for the link to the youtube video of the senate. Yes, I see he has his hand over his heart.

Public Law No. 110-181 changes Section 9 of title 4, United States Code, by striking "all persons present" and all that follows through the end of the section and inserting the following: "all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes."

He does salute the flag during the Pledge. It's my understanding that he won't put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. What his reasoning behind this is, I have no idea. I did find this article about the whole lapel pin issue, sometimes he wears it, sometimes he doesn't:

Obama's Flag Pin Flip-Flop? - TIME

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I was reading (and I am paraphrasing) that in the Sentate, all wear the lapel pin, but Obama has refused to ever wear it?

Is there any truth to this?

It was ahrd to find any info on why . apparently it has never been asked of him why? All I could find was the follwoing

"Obama is leasing a plane from a company named "North American" who's trademark logo is a stylized American flag. By law, he must remove the trademarked image. The country of registration flag is still present next to the registration number as is traditionally used."

And isn't the flag (for registration purposes) backwards? That is my next search.

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But that's not what the link above implies. It suggests he removed the flags and relaced it with his trademark "O"

Where were the other flags that were supposedly taken off? Was it on the tail?
Incidently, the flag is in a similar place as the one on McCain's plane. McCain also has his logo on the tail of his plane.

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Here's what Snopes has to say about the Obama plane:

snopes.com: Barack Obama's Campaign Plane

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He used to wear a pin and said that it felt like a meaningless gesture. When handed a pin during the primary, he did put it on.

McCain doesn't wear one at all. Why the doub;e standard?

Kathy, you won't get unbiased answers here. I highly recommend you do your own research, starting with Factcheck.org and Snopes.

If you choose to research here, you should know there there are only a few Obama supporters posting here at all anymore and the answers you get will predominantly be from McCain supporters, so they should not be considered fair and even answers by a long shot.

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FOund my answer it is correct as shown per the Flag code.

Why is the flag sometimes backwards on the side of airplanes, buses, and other vehicles?


Air Force 1 showing the regular flag on the left side and the reverse flag on the right side.The flag decals show the union (the blue area) on the side closer to the front of the plane. On the plane's left, the decal shows the flag with the union at the left, as usual. On the plane's right side, is a "right flag" or "reversed field flag" or "reverse flag," with the union on the right. This is done so that the flag looks as if it is blowing in the wind created by the forward movement. You can see this on cars and trucks as well.

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Ahhh, thanks for checking and finding the answer to that. I was curious about that as well.

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Okay, this is making more sense then. Maybe there was some spin as to him removing the flags that I was not aware of. It would make sense if the flags that were removed were "trademarked" American Flags, but that doesn't really make sense.. how can some trademark an American Flag?

Anyway, if he is leasing the plane, it would make sense.

You can see the picture of the flag above the door in the youtube video about the flag removal.

I found this picture of McCains Plane with a second American Flag. i see it in the inset picture in your photo. The small american flag that is seen, same as Obama's, is FAA regulated and required for airspace identification, from what I read.




Sorry the pic is so big.

McCain does wear them, but like Obama not all the time.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...6246883,00.jpg

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That's interesting. Thanks for posting that. I wondered what that was all about. Seems kind of odd when you see it.

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While I wholeheartedly agree that one should do their own research--and make a decision that they are comfortable with.

But, even when Obama supporters were posting here they weren't necessarily the objective of posters.

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Then, why is it a sin for Obama not to wear one? Why is McCain not held to the same standard?

McCain wasn't wearing a pin when he accepted the nomination. Frankly, I look everytime I see him or a picture of him, I have never seen him wearing a pin.

Because Obama has something to prove.

I never said it was a sin. I, for one, could care less. It's just a lapel pin. I think it's a nice gesture and apparently the only candidate that consistently wore one was Gulianni.

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HELLO??? Could you please explain the above statement? Provide some sort of information upon which you are basing your statements?

Avoidance won't make it go away.....
(yes, I know that you've already been proven wrong--that is in fact appropriate--but I'd like to know what you base your statements on)

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What would that be?

Please see post from earlier ^^^^^ where I quoted someone.

But in essence, my answer is: prove his Patriotism in light of all of the negative press about his background and what he has done so far in regards to the American Flag.

I second this...or actually, fourth this..lol

Please explain this statement. Why does Obama have to something to prove that McCain does not?

Based on her past statements that she's not proud of the US, I guess it's pretty reasonable to assume she wouldn't salute the flag.

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Putting your hand over your heart is not a salute.

What ever gave you that idea?

The Salute
To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.

A Guide to American Flag Etiquette

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Okaaay....

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

well, you're wrong. Per dictionary.com:

sa·lute Audio Help /səˈlut/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-loot] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb -lut·ed, -lut·ing, noun
–verb (used with object) 1. Military. to pay respect to or honor by some formal act, as by raising the right hand to the side of the headgear, presenting arms, firing cannon, dipping colors, etc.
2. to address with expressions of goodwill, respect, etc.; greet.
3. to make a bow or other gesture to, as in greeting, farewell, or respect.
4. to express respect or praise for; honor; commend.
–verb (used without object) 5. Military. to give a salute.
6. to perform a salutation.
–noun 7. Military. a. the special act of respect paid in saluting.
b. the position of the hand or rifle in saluting: at the salute.

8. an act of saluting; salutation.
9. a gold coin, bearing the image of the Virgin Mary receiving Gabriel's salutation, issued by Charles VI of France and by Henry V and Henry VI of England.

Just once, it would be so very refreshing to hear a person say "hmmmm...you know, all this time, I guess I didn't know what I was talking about". You are incorrect in what a salute is. You are incorrect that it is not appropriate to salute the flag. Basically you are wrong. Is it really that hard to admit when you're wrong? Is it??

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Please see my answer in post #30.

As far as the salute, the Original question was why didn't Obama have his hand over his heart. Your reply in your own words were that you do not aalute and neither does Obama.

"Obama did not place his hand over his heart during the Pledge. It is never appropriate for a civilian to salute. Neither do I. "
Your words.

Marilyn,
It has been a hard day at work and I may not be reading this clearly, but I do not see where placing your hand over your heart is mentioned as a salute. Can you clarify?

LOL......I saw a cute bumper sticker today.....

The #1 reason to vote for McCain.......OBAMA.

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I don't regard hand over heart as a salute and never have. A salute is the hand to forehead or hand to cap as done in the military. I also mistated. Neither Obama nor I put our hands over our heart during the National Anthem. We do put our hands over hearts during the Pledge. The story about Obama not placing his hand over his heart during the Pledge were debunked months and months ago. You're a little behind the times.

Now, tell me why Obama has to prove something.

I can not change your mind to get you to vote for Sen. Obama, nor would I ever try. I do not believe he is the best of these 2 candidates. I have done a LOT of research into both candidates, and their VPs. Here is an interesting link to an article I read, and while it is clearly written by/for a Right Winger group, I think it had some great points in it. Maybe you will, too???

Why I Am Now Supporting John McCain For President - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)

As RWN's regular readers already know, I have been a harsh critic of John McCain for a long time and back in May, I wrote a post called, "Why I Will No Longer Support John McCain For President." That post was widely linked and was probably why I was blackballed from the Republican National Convention.

However, I've been wavering on my "non-vote" in the 2008 election for a while. That's not because I've warmed up to McCain; it's because of my concerns about Barack Obama.

Of course, it goes without saying that Obama is incredibly liberal, too inexperienced to be President, has terrible judgment (See Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers), and isn't particularly bright for a senator (See his 57 states gaffe, among others).

However, the real problem with Obama isn't just that he's incompetent, it's that he's an incompetent who seems to think he's a genius. Never has a man so unaccomplished been so overly proud of his non-achievements.

Compare him to say, Jimmy Carter, who was far too naive to be President and did such a poor job that he could fairly be considered the least capable man to hold that job in the last century. Carter, for all his naivete, had served in the military, run a business, and been governor of a state. On the other hand, Obama shares Carter's liberalism and naivete, but doesn't have his experience, and is arrogant enough to believe it doesn't matter.

For that matter, compare Barack Obama to a liberal who is, let's say, a middle manager at Circuit City or IBM. Who would you rather have as President -- Obama or that random manager? I'd take the random manager because at least that person would probably be humble enough to realize how much he doesn't know about America's most important job -- and that is what we're talking about, folks.

The presidency is literally the single most important job not just in the country, but on our planet. The President of the United States has a nuclear arsenal capable of destroying the world at his fingertips, is Commander-In-Chief of the most powerful military in the world, and is making decisions on a daily basis that affect the lives of more than 300 million Americans. Even setting aside his ideology, what in the world is there about Barack Obama that convinces anyone he's ready to handle that kind of responsibility?

This is not some Wunderkind, not some man who has shown unparalleled genius in his short time in the public spotlight; he's a green, gaffe-prone, unaccomplished senator who's good at reading speeches off a teleprompter -- that's it. That's what he brings to the table -- and not only is it not enough, it's dangerous to the future of our country to have that kind of mediocrity in charge.

That being said, it may have been Barack's inability to do the job that had me rethinking my non-vote for McCain, but it has been the Left's treatment of Sarah Palin that put me over the top.

Granted, "Politics ain't beanbag" and everybody with half a brain knows the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama, so it's no surprise that Sarah Palin hasn't been treated fairly by the press.

However, the rumors, lies, and attacks on Sarah Palin's family, many of which have been spread by the mainstream media, have been absolutely despicable.

Barack Obama was celebrated for being the first black candidate to have a chance at the Presidency. Hillary Clinton was celebrated for being the first woman to have a chance at the Presidency. Even Nancy Pelosi, who has been a political disaster, was celebrated for being the first female Speaker of the House.

Yet, when Sarah Palin, a woman more qualified to be President that Barack Obama, was selected as the first Republican VP, there was no celebration, no congratulations, just a smear campaign that has been unprecedented in American politics.

Andrew Sullivan, the Daily Kos, and the rest of the slime merchants drug everyone from Palin's baby to her husband through the mud. Then the same mainstream media that spent weeks protecting John Edwards immediately launched countless attacks at Palin's family. Do a search on Sarah Palin's name and you'll find more disproved rumors and outright lies than facts -- and it's meant to send a bullying message to other conservative women.

"If you oppose the Left, we won't just lie about you and try to destroy your reputation, we'll come after your children, too. So, you just keep your mouth shut and stay out of the spotlight."

The only way the Left can be persuaded not to continue these tactics is to defeat them. If the McCain/Palin ticket goes to the White House, the lies and attacks on Palin's children will be considered to be a failure, and the Left will back off. If not -- if they win -- you will see even more attacks on the families of conservatives. In other words, it's sad to say, but the only way to protect the families of conservatives is to hit the Left in the only place that really hurts them -- at the ballot box.

Despite the fact that I have a lot of differences with John McCain, I am going vote for him and I would encourage you to do the same. Whatever else you may say about the man, he is capable of handling the presidency and his election will teach the Left more about common decency than any mere words ever could."



I don't agree with everything in here, but, I think there are excellent points made. As another poster said, do research. Your OWN research, verify sources, and go from there.

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#3-a gesture (remember Carol Burnett always tugs on her left ear? I believe that's a salute to her mother. The Peace Sign is a salute, many athletes thump their chest and then point skyward--which they have stated is a salute to their God Almighty...)

#4-a show of respect.--here's where my opinion comes in: placing one's hand over one's heart during the Pledge of Allegiance is the only respectful thing to do. Just like a man taking off his hat upon entering a home! )

While I understand that a military salute is very specific (and often very specific to the branch of military--I'm sure your Marine son would tell you that! LOL)--there are all kinds of salute, and to state that placing one's hand over the heart is not a salute is wrong. And, I'm basing it on objective findings (dictionary definition of salute)--not my opinion.

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I'll tell you why I'm voting for McCain, and it doesn't have anything to do with lapel pins, or whether or not Obama is really a Muslim, it has to do with that our system is broken. There is too much money, special interest groups and lobbyists in Washington. There is too much partisan politics in Washington to make any real changes that would benefit the American people.

McCain had proven that he is they only candidate we've had in a long time that is willing to be bi-partisan. Obama, on the other, hand is the same old partisan politics as usual. Obama isn't the candidate for change, and implying that McCain is McBush or McSame is laughable. McCain has taken a lot of heat from his party for going against it.

Washington Times - Records show McCain more bipartisan

In fact, by several measures, Mr. McCain has been more likely to team up with Democrats than with members of his own party. Democrats made up 55 percent of his political partners over the last two Congresses, including on the tough issues of campaign finance and global warming. For Mr. Obama, Republicans were only 13 percent of his co-sponsors during his time in the Senate, and he had his biggest bipartisan successes on noncontroversial measures, such as issuing a postage stamp in honor of civil rights icon Rosa Parks.

McCain has pushed for truth and transparency in government. He supports campaign finance reform. He agreed to take public funding for his campaign and stuck to that agreement. Obama agreed to it and then when it was clear that it would benefit him more to keep taking private money, he changed his position. In fact, the only other president not to take public funding since it has been offered, was George W. Bush. I guess they have something in common. Maybe we should call him OBush?

Never mind even that Obama worked for ACORN, a group that has been convicted of voter fraud. And now there are reports coming out that there was caucus fraud in some states.

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I believe Dean and Kerry opted out as well.

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Thank you for taking the time to write this! You make some great points and helps put things in perspective for me.

Can you tell me where you found that? You might very well be right. What I read said Bush was the only president not to take it, but I can't find anything that lists candidates and whether or not they took public funding.

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I found it here:
Presidential Public Financing System FAQ - Common Cause

However, it appears they opted out during the primaries:
Edwards latest to decline public funds for presidential campaign - USATODAY.com

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I found this:

Campaign finance in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the inception of this program in 1976 through 1992, almost all candidates who could qualify accepted matching funds in the primary. However, in 1996 Republican Steve Forbes opted out of the program. In 2000, Forbes and George W. Bush opted out. In 2004 Bush and Democrats John Kerry and Howard Dean chose not to take matching funds in the primary.

In 2008, Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and Republicans John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul decided not to take matching funds. Republican Tom Tancredo[4] and Democrats Chris Dodd[5], Joe Biden[6] and John Edwards elected to take public financing.

By refusing matching funds, these candidates are free to spend as much money as they can raise privately. In addition to primary matching funds, the federal government subsidizes the presidential nominating conventions of the major parties (the Democratic National Convention and Republican National Convention). The nominees are then offered the opportunity to accept government funds for the general election. If they accept the government funds, they agree not to raise or spend private funds or to spend more than $50,000 of their personal resources. No major party has turned down government funds for the general election since the program was launched in 1976, until Senator Barack Obama did so in 2008,[7] or for General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance Funds (GELACs), which pay for attorneys and closeout costs but are not supposed to pay for campaigning or advertising.[8]


So I guess others have opted out of it for the primaries, but Obama is the only one to opt out for the general election.

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LOL! I just saw your post after I posted what I found on Wikipedia.

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You guys make my head hurt! LOL

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What?

Ok, I get it. No heart, then no salute. That would be what's going on here. Find your heart.

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If that's not the stupidest comment ever. FYI, if I had no heart, I'd be a Republican.

You can answer in 17 minutes with a rude comment and yet ignore for hours and hours your less than enlightened position of saluting? The beauty of our freedom. No one has to salute and then they can make up their own story. Priceless.

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Thread closed due to number of repsonses..........

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