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Old 09-16-2008, 04:03 PM
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Roe vs. Wade reversal

I have heard a lot of talk about this, and Gov. Palin said she supports this being overturned, and the decision being made by each state.

Am I getting that correctly??? And, if so, how would that effect the ruling??? Would it then be legal in some states, and not others???
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:06 PM
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From Mccains mouth.
John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench,” it reads. “Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states…however, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion.”
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:14 PM
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I have heard a lot of talk about this, and Gov. Palin said she supports this being overturned, and the decision being made by each state.

Am I getting that correctly??? And, if so, how would that effect the ruling??? Would it then be legal in some states, and not others???
The only people that can overturn it are the Supreme Court Justices. The chances of that happinging are very unlikely. Palin is a Pro-Life candidate, and so is McCain.

This same argument was brought up during the Reagan, Bush and Bush Jr. races. I just don't ever see it happening. It's more of a fear thing IMHO.

Justices are free to rule any way they see fit. Rarely have they ever overturned a ruling as big as Roe v. Wade.
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:22 PM
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The only people that can overturn it are the Supreme Court Justices. The chances of that happinging are very unlikely. Palin is a Pro-Life candidate, and so is McCain.

This same argument was brought up during the Reagan, Bush and Bush Jr. races. I just don't ever see it happening. It's more of a fear thing IMHO.

Justices are free to rule any way they see fit. Rarely have they ever overturned a ruling as big as Roe v. Wade.
That is how I feel about Roe v. Wade, too.....it will never be overturned. I think they should focus on getting affordable/free birth control for adults, and educating the "under 18" crowd, either by empowering the parents to do that or some other measure. I know a lot of hoopla goes down when people don't want others teaching this stuff to their kids, and I'm sure at one time or another, I have been in the hoopla, but, my belief is currently this.....if a parent isn't going to do their job and teach their child what can happen when/if they have sex, then the gov't has the right to. If that happens to "overlap" on what I have taught my child, so be it. I discuss things with my children and have no fear that what someone else says to them will be taken as the final word. I don't hide things from my kids, and we have a very open line of communication. They also know they are responsible for their actions.

Woops, a bit OT, but, oh well......
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:39 PM
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if a parent isn't going to do their job and teach their child what can happen when/if they have sex, then the gov't has the right to.

Sorry, but that is the parent's job to do that, and not the gov't job. You are the parent of this child. Too many people want the children but when it comes to teaching the child about sex it becomes someone else problem.
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:44 PM
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That is how I feel about Roe v. Wade, too.....it will never be overturned. I think they should focus on getting affordable/free birth control for adults, and educating the "under 18" crowd, either by empowering the parents to do that or some other measure. I know a lot of hoopla goes down when people don't want others teaching this stuff to their kids, and I'm sure at one time or another, I have been in the hoopla, but, my belief is currently this.....if a parent isn't going to do their job and teach their child what can happen when/if they have sex, then the gov't has the right to. If that happens to "overlap" on what I have taught my child, so be it. I discuss things with my children and have no fear that what someone else says to them will be taken as the final word. I don't hide things from my kids, and we have a very open line of communication. They also know they are responsible for their actions.

Woops, a bit OT, but, oh well......
I agree with what you are saying. I joke about putting birth control in the hs drinking fountains. I'm all for education.
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:49 PM
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if a parent isn't going to do their job and teach their child what can happen when/if they have sex, then the gov't has the right to.

Sorry, but that is the parent's job to do that, and not the gov't job. You are the parent of this child. Too many people want the children but when it comes to teaching the child about sex it becomes someone else problem.
Same can be said on the home foreclosure issue. It's not anybody's job to teach people about the ins and outs of mortgages. If they make a mistake by taking on a mortgage that they truly can't afford then it is not our job to bail them out.

I support education. You can never go wrong with that. Teach people how they can get in trouble. . .unwanted pregnancies. . .or home financing. In the end it comes down to personal responsibility.
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:54 PM
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Same can be said on the home foreclosure issue. It's not anybody's job to teach people about the ins and outs of mortgages. If they make a mistake by taking on a mortgage that they truly can't afford then it is not our job to bail them out.

I support education. You can never go wrong with that. Teach people how they can get in trouble. . .unwanted pregnancies. . .or home financing. In the end it comes down to personal responsibility.
Wait, we are talking about Ror vs Wade here aren't we? Sorry but parents need to take responsibilty, on the teen sex issue not the schools. You want the child then take charge and teach right from wrong.
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:57 PM
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Wait, we are talking about Ror vs Wade here aren't we? Sorry but parents need to take responsibilty, on the teen sex issue not the schools. You want the child then take charge and teach right from wrong.
Sorry. . .I'm not really clear what you are getting at. Are you saying that you don't want any sex education in schools?
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Again the Sahm's of this board think the schools should teach sex education., instead of them. Talk about not wanting the responsilibity of a child.
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Have we heard from PUM lately? Just curious.
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Again the Sahm's of this board think the schools should teach sex education., instead of them. Talk about not wanting the responsilibity of a child.
Huh???

I asked if you think there should be NO sex education in schools?

You are making a lot of assumptions about people who post here. . .I don't think anybody said that it should SOLELY be taught in schools. Maybe I missed something.

Btw. . .I'm not a SAHM.
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Have we heard from PUM lately? Just curious.

LOL, I was thinking the SAME thing!!!! hahahahha.

As Truble would say "welcome to the IGNORE list".
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LOL, I was thinking the SAME thing!!!! hahahahha.

As Truble would say "welcome to the IGNORE list".
Dang! Did I miss some PUM? I'm all for intelligent debate. Like I said I'm pretty middle of the road. I don't mind hearing someeone elses intelligent views. Kvmj and I had a great discussion yesterday about Soros. I welcome that kind of thing and learned quite a bit.
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As much as I would like to see it overturned...it will never happen....Sherri
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Dang! Did I miss some PUM? I'm all for intelligent debate. Like I said I'm pretty middle of the road. I don't mind hearing someeone elses intelligent views. Kvmj and I had a great discussion yesterday about Soros. I welcome that kind of thing and learned quite a bit.
I know your type the SAHM, Enough said.
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I know your type the SAHM, Enough said.

Gee. . .if you say so.
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Gee. . .if you say so.
Come on you know you are, you just don't want to admit it.
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Come on you know you are, you just don't want to admit it.
If I was, why wouldn't I admit it? I'm not, but there's nothing wrong with being a SAHM!

I'll leave it at that now. . .you have hi-jacked enough. I will simply ignore you now, so we can get back to discussing real issues.
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I'm lost......
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If I was, why wouldn't I admit it? I'm not, but there's nothing wrong with being a SAHM!

I'll leave it at that now. . .you have hi-jacked enough. I will simply ignore you now, so we can get back to discussing real issues.
Sarah Palin
Attend FIVE different colleges before graduating with a Bachelor's Degree in communications/journalism,

Spend your post graduate time working as a sports reporter for a local TV station and paper, work in a commercial fishing business, serve 4 years as a city councilperson and 6 years as a mayor (of a town with a total population of LESS than 7,000 people), secure over $27 million in FEDERAL funds to build a youth center, transportation hub, and railway to a ski resort, serve less than ONE YEAR on a governor's appointed committee, and only 20 months as governor of a state with only 650,000 people...you are now qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive...at 44...with a presidential running mate old enough to be her father...at 71.


If your husband is nicknamed "The First Dude" of Alaska...has at least one DUI/DWI conviction, no college education, didn't register to vote until he was 25, was once a member of a group advocating secession of Alaska from the US, and works for BP-British Petroleum...your family is admirable and the "cloth" of American society.
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Sarah Palin
Attend FIVE different colleges before graduating with a Bachelor's Degree in communications/journalism,

Spend your post graduate time working as a sports reporter for a local TV station and paper, work in a commercial fishing business, serve 4 years as a city councilperson and 6 years as a mayor (of a town with a total population of LESS than 7,000 people), secure over $27 million in FEDERAL funds to build a youth center, transportation hub, and railway to a ski resort, serve less than ONE YEAR on a governor's appointed committee, and only 20 months as governor of a state with only 650,000 people...you are now qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive...at 44...with a presidential running mate old enough to be her father...at 71.


If your husband is nicknamed "The First Dude" of Alaska...has at least one DUI/DWI conviction, no college education, didn't register to vote until he was 25, was once a member of a group advocating secession of Alaska from the US, and works for BP-British Petroleum...your family is admirable and the "cloth" of American society.

WTF are you talking about? Good Lord!
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PUM ????

I'm lost......
Oh, wait....I get it now!!!!!!!

I forgot about her/him/it/whatever.

Nice, nice.
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WTF are you talking about? Good Lord!
That is all about your so called VP.
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That is all about your so called VP.
ummmm.....you're sadly misinformed. I believe that I have made my opinion on Palinclear--I'm not a supporter of hers. Get your facts together before you start slinging insults, lovey.
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Even if the Supreme Court overturned Roe, I think Congress could enact a law to make abortion legal in all states. I don't see this as a state's right issue.
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Even if the Supreme Court overturned Roe, I think Congress could enact a law to make abortion legal in all states. I don't see this as a state's right issue.
Yeah. .. I'm not sure if I see it as a state's rights issue either. I serioulsy doubt it will ever get overturned, and I'm ok with that.
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:09 PM
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Again the Sahm's of this board think the schools should teach sex education., instead of them. Talk about not wanting the responsilibity of a child.

On record as a SAHM, I'm all for the schools teaching sex ed, and I'm covering that topic very thoroughly, as well.

NOT because I won't do my job (and I DO consider it my job - it's the job of EVERY parent - working or otherwise), but because there ARE so many kids who need some guidance.

Why not have 2 viewpoints on it? Schools typically present sex ed in a fact-based way - no judgments, no moral discussion, etc. So I'm happy for the schools to throw out the facts on sex and birth control. I'm talking to my kids about it at home, and am covering what I want them to know, already. I'm not afraid of education - I welcome it.

The reason that it IS important for school to take control is because, sadly, society relies on them to do so. My kids aren't growing up in a vacuum - there are others around them, and I want them just as prepared as mine (and most of yours) are. Many families don't teach their children, and kids end up with the most pathetic "information" via their peers - so true education is critical. I've never heard of anyone being too well-versed in any topic. Least of all, in sex education.

Which, of course, does lead me to the following conclusion - Gigimeister's point-of-view (in a stereotypical statement, of course) that SAHM's out there want the schools to take sole responsibility stems from either jealousy (of garden variety SAHM's) and/or just being uneducated.

So which is it?

If I'm ignored by gigimeister (or get some sarcastic response), I won't consider it a great loss. I'm actually counting on it. I smell a troll...
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