Let me start with a few qualifying remarks. I'm voting for Obama. I'm voting for him because I think he is the best candidate. I'm a Democrat. I believe in most (although not all) of the positions in the platform of the Democratic party. I do not believe that anyone should vote for or against Obama because of his race.

However, and this is a pretty big "however," I think that race is an issue in America, and it is an issue in this race. I've read posts on this board that I have found biased. Do I think that everyone who prefers McCain over Obama is biased? No. But I also think that if people object to Obama, they should take steps to make sure that they are casting their vote on positions, rather than implicitly based upon race. (My preference would also be that they cast their ballots on reasons other than who they would want to sit down and have a beer with, but maybe that is too much to ask.)

I think though that people don't generally understand how entrenched racism is, and how it can affect your decision-making subconsciously.

So, on my first point, racism is alive and well in the US. This isn't something that I'm pulling from my ass. Here are some studies:

First, there is the study of whether people are discriminated based solely upon the fact that their names sound "black." The study is called "Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" The results are pretty stunning. In this study, the researchers sent out resumes using either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. The researchers sent out nearly 5000 resumes in response to "help wanted" ads. The resumes were matched, with the only difference being whether the first name sounded "white" or "black." In other words, was Emily called back? Was Lakisha? How about Greg or Brendan vs. Jamal?

The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates. Indeed, there was a 50 percent gap in the callback rates, favoring those applicants with "white" sounding names.

Second, there is a study called, "The Mark of a Criminal Record." Devah Pager was the researcher. Matched pairs -- white and black candidates -- applied in person for a job. Some applicants had no record of a criminal history; others did. The results, which were intended to explore the impact of a criminal record, indicated a lot about race. Whites w/o a criminal record got call backs 34% of the time; blacks w/o a criminal record got call backs 15 percent of the time. Whites with a criminal record got call backs 17 percent of the time; blacks with a criminal record got call backs 5 percent of the time.

The contrast that is most notable here is that whites with criminal records got call backs at a rate higher than blacks with a clean record. (17 percent of whites with a criminal record got a call back vs. 15 percent of blacks with a clean record).

Third, there are studies regarding the impact of skin color on pay. Joni Hersch from Vanderbilt did a comprehensive study that showed that, even when the study was controlled for factors such as English fluency, experience and education, the lighter the skin color of recent immigrants results in higher wages.

I realize that I have not posted links. I'm largely relying on memory here. But if you want links to the studies, go to the website, U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), and look at the Compliance Manual section that was issued by this agency during the Bush administration on Race and Color Discrimination. They cite these studies as evidence of the pervasive discrimination based upon race in America.

Now, on my second point, which is whether race is entering into your decision-making, I would ask that you go to this website and take the test on Implicit Association Discrimination. https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ Click on Demonstration, and take the test on race. It won't take you long. I don't want you to post your results. They are your business. I also think that this test can be beat with enough concentration.

But still, it is a pretty revealing test. It also has a lot of support from researchers.

Finally, here is the good news. Studies also show that when people confront the possibility that their decisions might be influenced based upon race, the racial bias in the decision-making decreases.

In other words, nothing prevents any of us from shedding our implicit biases. It does take acknowledging them and working to overcome them.

In sum, racial basis is alive and well in the US. But we can overcome it.

Now, this isn't meant to say that those of you who support McCain, or who oppose Obama, are racist. Not at all. I wouldn't support McCain if he were Black because I don't support what he stands for. But I would ask that everyone here recognize that race does matter, and it will only stop mattering when we can free ourselves from stereotypes that drive us.

I absolutely agree that racism is alive and well. I don't think anyone here would argue that.

I still won't vote for Obama. I don't like him. I think he is arrogant and no I wouldn't want to sit and have a beer with him or his wife. I also don't agree with his politics, at all. I've said it before, I don't care what color he is. I don't have to search my conscience or my heart to know that his color is a moot point with me.

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[quote=dannyboy;3047284]

First, there is the study of whether people are discriminated based solely upon the fact that their names sound "black." The study is called "Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?" The results are pretty stunning. In this study, the researchers sent out resumes using either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. The researchers sent out nearly 5000 resumes in response to "help wanted" ads. The resumes were matched, with the only difference being whether the first name sounded "white" or "black." In other words, was Emily called back? Was Lakisha? How about Greg or Brendan vs. Jamal?

The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates. Indeed, there was a 50 percent gap in the callback rates, favoring those applicants with "white" sounding names. QUOTE

I posted something to this effect once and got blasted all to you know where! Yes, there is discrimination alive and well. The point I had tried to make was that you can sometimes tell the race of someone by their name or at least the probability of the race. It's certainly not 100%. Lakisha is probably black whereas Emily is probably white. I don't think that in itself is discriminatory, Chong Wong is probably Asian and Jose is probably Hispanic. That's just reality. It is never 100% but the probability is high. To discriminate upon race is illegal and unethical. Maybe this will help explain what I was trying to say in a prior thread.

I took the test. I came out with a "slight" European preference. Which I'm not surprised at at all. I'm white and was raised in a predominently white neighborhood. I have historically dated mostly black men and my SO is black. So. . .I guess I won't vote for Obama (not because he's black), but I would consider dating him.

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Yes, he's pretty handsome!

I don't know. . .the whole ear thing. LOL! Nah. . .he's alright, plus I hear he has a nice house!

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I don't vote based on skin color, gender, creed, religion, etc. I vote on who the best person for the job is. Hence why I will be writing in who I think is the best person.

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No, you stated that people named Latrell and Kenesha were contributing to the rise in crime in your area. What you were insinuating was that black people were responsible for the crime which is racist and ignorant. You missed the point of the entire discussion totally.

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I could care less what he looks like.

Or what kind of plumbing he has.

He's a liberal and I'm a conservative. End of story.

I'd be interested in seeing his plumbing.

Oh man! You all have to excuse me. . .it's been a long day!

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dannyboy, thank you very much for your insightful post! I took the test and was surprised at the outcome and pleased to know in my heart - race, indeed, will play no factor in my decision.

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[quote=usnamom;3047335]Sorry but you misunderstood what I was trying to say which I may not have stated clear enough for you to understand. I'm not going to wast my time giving you links etc.. that back up my prior posts. Been there, done that, nothing good enough for some of you.

THAT IS WAY TOO FUNNY!!! Did you ever see the MADtv skit where he and Hillary were going at it???? Unbelievably funny!!! I'll give ya a hint if you haven't seen it and want to know.

I don't vote on race or gender either by the way. I vote Prolife!!!

I am certain that race is an important factor in this particular race...

However, I'm as sure that it is working FOR Obama as it is working AGAINST him...

I will consent to the fact that yes, he is probably going to unfairly lose a substantial amount of votes due to his race.
However, you will never convince me (or many others) that he isn't on the ticket BECAUSE of his race.

So all in all, if he wins the election, I imagine it will be on his merits (or campaigning strategies!!), and that the votes that are based on his race (both for and against) will cancel each other out...

ETA: I tried to take the test - won't work w/my computer! Sounds interesting...

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Insert Palin/she/gender in the appropriate places and this would fit the other side too--don't you thin?

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Just take a look at Louisiana..where I grew up. The first time Bobby Jindal ran for governor, he got beat by Blanco in the primaries. Many did not vote for him because he wasn't white. I'll bet that after Katrina, those people wish they had voted for Jindal. He has done an awesome job ...especially with Gustav. Blanco just fell apart over Katrina...but she is white.....by golly!!!!

I am a white, conservative and usually vote Republican. I could really care less what color, gender, or really ...what a candidates party is. What I care about is if the candidate lines up with what I consider to be important. If the orange, purple, or hot pink party candidate whose race is purple with pink polka dots offers me what I can support...he/she/it has my vote. And no, I don't completely agree with any one candidate on everything. I think that is pretty much impossible if we are honest with ourselves. We all have things that are more important to us than others.

Yes, I believe that, too.

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and you know? It's almost unfair to whoever wins. If Obama wins many are going to say it was only because he's black. If McCain/Palin wins, many are going to say it's only because McCain chose a woman. Almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

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Unfortunately that's what it stacking up to look like.

Just ran across this on another board.

How Racism Works
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do" to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the "Keating 5"?

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

Wow, thanks for that perspectiive. Unfortunately, there will still be those who do not understand or want to understand what you have posted.
Thanks!

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I'm not buying into that piece.

It took every known negative about John McCain and compared it to the 'positive' counter-statement about Barak Obama.

I don't care what school someone went to twenty or fifty years ago, and I don't care where their GPA's fell when compared to their classmates. To me, the GPA thing is more "bragging rights" than a measurement of leadership. I was in the top 5% of my graduating class, and am content with my life as a WAHM. Classmates of mine that spent those four years dinknig around and partying are now running big companies.

While I think the fact that John McCain left his first wife for his second one is deplorable, I appreciate that he agrees and considers that to be his greatest failure.... and that somehow he and his first wife were able to make amends - enough so that she is a big supporter of his - and that he has made sure that she has always been taken care of financially, didn't try to get his alimony or medical care payments to her reduced, even after they've been divorced for about 30 years.

I'd have had a lot more respect for Bill Clinton if he'd have come clean about the Monica mess - and the Gennifer Flowers mess - and all his other messes.

I think that it's impressive that the Obamas seem to have a strong marriage, especially considering that he apparently didn't have a strong marriage modeled for him from his parents. He's risen above it and that's commendable.

But it doesn't change the fact that he is a liberal and I am a conservative, so I won't vote for him.

So, because we may not agree means we don't understand??

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Well, to be fair, that's what they do; turn a positive quality into a negative one. Remember John Kerry? The Republican party as well as pundits trounced him because Teresa is rich. They said he was a "kept man" and a gigolo. They talked about the fact that Teresa has a prenupt, and questioned whether we should trust him since his wife did not. Yet Cindy has money and they have a prenupt also. Surprisingly, this is not a problem now. They tagged him as an elitist, smart and out of touch also. That's just what they do, and they are darned good at it.

I am not saying that there is no racism involved in making certain decisions (I recall the poster on this very board that stated she would not vote for Obama because he was biracial). However, I think the majority of us have moved beyond that.

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Sadly, racism does play a role in this election. From an article in the NY Times about the Catholic vote.

"One parishioner ruled out voting for Mr. Obama explicitly because he is black. “Are they going to make it the Black House?” Ray McCormick asked, to embarrassed hushing from a half dozen others gathered around the rectory kitchen. (Five of the six, all lifelong Democrats who supported Mrs. Clinton in the primary, said they now lean toward Mr. McCain.)"

You need to read down to close to the end of the first page.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/us...se&oref=slogin

There is always going to be some racist boob. It's sad, but it's the truth. I have spoken to quite a few black friends that, when I asked, said the reason they are voting for Obama is because he is black. I don't agree with that position either. I would hope that the majority of people aren't soley looking at race, or gender, for that matter, on who they are going to vote for. I'd like to think that the American voters are smarter than that. And I think untimately who wins or loses isn't going to be because of race. Unfortunately, there are a minority that will vote that way.

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sharkiz, do you think there are some people black who won't vote for McCain because he's an old white guy?

Do you think there are some people who won't vote for McCain / Palin because Palin is a woman? I can guarantee you that there is a segment of the religous far-right who is none too thrilled and is boycotting the Republican ticket because she is not a keeper of the home, helpmeet to her husband, and all-around SAHM.

The piece you cited above slants with sympathy towards Obama because he is black, but other than Biden, I think each of the four individuals in the top slots have a segment of the population who very well may be voting *against* some particular attribute that they see in a candidate... black guy, white guy, female.

It cuts all directions and nobody gets to wear the "VICTIM" badge more than the others.

It is true that there are those that will vote for/against McCain because he is white. But there are far more that will vote for/against Obama because he is black. After all the black population is around 13% while the white population is around 80% (includes those of hispanic origin-around 64% without).

That's an excellent point! They gave you total hell for saying the exact thing that Dannyboy just posted. It'll be interesting to see if these same people blast someone with whom they share the same side of the political fence. I suspect they won't and it's very hypocritical of them if they don't. Not that I think they should because I don't see either post as racist and neither post or poster should be blasted. However, they claimed they saw blatant racism when Kathy posted the same thing. Since they threw a fit and carried on about how Kathy is a disgusting racist for pointing out that you can sometimes peg a group by the names, then where's their outrage when their liberal friend Dannyboy does it?

Brother, what was posted by Danny was not the same as KTS posted. She posted that the crime rate in her area had gone up and by reading of the names Terell and Keneisha she knew that it was a certain group of people who were the cause. That the black people were only a certain percentage of the population and yet the crime rate had gone up a much bigger percentage. She kept trying to get people to read a AA baby name book as if that would prove her statements any less racist. When you stereotype a group of people by their names and by their names try to prove your point that the crime rate has gone up because you see those names in the paper and then yell for people to look at a baby name book to prove that all people named those names are black, then you are posting stereotypical posts.

Now if she meant what Danny had said and had said it in the way Danny had said it, there would be no problem. But she didn't and therefore it not only came out the way it did and was thought of the way it was by more than a few posters.

I disagree. I think that Kathy, as usual, had to spend most of her time defending herself, so she probably came off as appearing racist because of the defensive attitude she had to take.

The example of the names is the same as what Kathy said. She was relating it to her experience with the crime rate where she lives. Pointing out that it is mostly blacks committing crime in a certain area is not racist (if it's the truth) but a statistic, which is what she was dealing with.

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It's fine to point out that a higher rate of crime is due to a specific group if there is evidence to support that. But when you assume that it's from a specific group based on their name? That's called racial profiling and is actually a crime.

Now, could what kathy said have been true? Maybe. Could she have phrased in a less offensive manner? ummmm...YEAH!

Had a poster said, "based on inmate data at the local jail it appears that the black population may be the reason for the increase in crime in my neighborhood. The current jail population reflects that 74% of their population is african-american, and of that 74%, 73% are violent crimes".--well, that's a whole different ball of wax.

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I didn't read the entire OP and none of the replies.

I did, however, want to throw this in there......after much thought on the issue. I think "racism" will always be here. Why?? Because I think that people (in general) have a certain amount of , for lack of a better word, fear, about people that are different than themselves.

How many times have you heard people being picked on just because they are different. So, is it pure racism or just not liking someone because they are different??? Either way, it shouldn't go on, but, does.

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Ok. . .kinda completely off topic. . .and please nobody take this the wrong way. But talking about names. . .I used to date a man named Tyrone Lamont. Yes, he was black, and I used to jab him about his name being so stereotypically black. The funny thing is he came from a big family, ten brothers and sisters, and they all had unstereotypical names. . .his brothers' that I remember were, Frank, Wayne, Chris, Eugene, Bob and his sisters' were Belinda and Marilynn. We used to kinda joke about what happened when his parents named him. He would just shake his head and say. . .Man, I wish they would have named ME Chris.

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Wow, I am sorry that Kathy has to spend most of her time defending herself. If it were me, I would take a look at that. That is if I were worried about how I came across.

You, Melissa, get your point across clearly and concisely without rancor, sarcasm and usually mean what you say. No one has to guess what you meant nor do you have to spend lots of time defending yourself. What could be the problem that Kathy has to?

Yes, the same posters that never seem to understand my posts.......What I had said at the time was rather tongue in cheek but representative of what is factually going on here. There is an influx of gangish, thuggish people coming here from another town.* This is statisically proven. There is a spike in the crime rate, specifically crime by the African American population, which is also statistically proven. I even provided the stats. I have explained this over and over. You can read the paper and when you see that "Tyrone Washington" was arrested for robbery you can pretty much assume it was for the bank robbery where the suspect was described as a a black man with his pants falling down. (Yes we did have one of those!) You read the article and sure enough it was the same crime. This is happening over and over again and is backed by statistics. I guess if this makes me a racist then so are the stats! lol Once more, for those who are too dense to understand, I am not saying that all blacks are committing crimes, that all blacks have "black" names, that all blacks are thugs or gang members, that all blacks coming here from Chicago are criminals, etc... I have black, hispanic and asian friends so once and for all STOP calling me a racist. There are certain names that are more prominent in certain populations. Suzie Smith is probably white, Kit Wang is probably asian and LaKanesha Johnson is probably African American. That is not racist but reality.

WAIT hambirg are you actually saying there are stereotypical black names?????????? That can't be!!!! What a racist thing to say!!!!

I missed the whole thread about the names, but, I think I understand what you are trying to say. Kind of like if you met someone named Igor Boganskyu, or Svetlanna Organdesha....you would feel safe in assuming they were of Russian descent. Am I getting that right?

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TOTALLY!!! Not 100% accurate but a logical assumption most of the time!!!!

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,,,,,,,lol,,,lol,,,,lol

Ignore is a wonderful feature...if they could tweak it so your "ignored" posters didn't show up when someone quotes it would be fabu!

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The purpose of the study, "Are Emily and Brandom more employable that Lakisha and Jamal," was to see whether people treated applicants with names commonly associated with the African American population worse based solely on their perception that the applicant was Black. The study showed that they did. The study does not support drawing conclusions about the applicant based upon their names; it shows that there are dangers in drawing conclusions. Here, the applicants all had the same qualifications.

Be careful about the racist word. In our town the crime rate has soared which matches the influx of "south side Chicgoans" moving here. The town has a 4% African American population (quickly rising) but fill 36% of the jail space. And no, it's not racial profiling. About everyday there's an arrest of a Latrel or Kanesha for some crime-robbery, mugging, etc... There's a "ghetto" area developing in a certain part of town...Now would you call me a racist? It must sound like I am but the facts tell the truth here.
I don't know anything about Toby Keith. I know things can be taken out of context. I just hate to see the racist term flung so easily.


And yet here is what she posted. I do not think that she was inferring to a logical assumption about someone's being of a certain descent by their name. What she was saying is Latrel or Kanesha are being arrested for some crime or robbery or mugging and even though AA are 4 % of the population, they fill 36% of the jails and how she knows this is not racial profiling when she actually does racial profile in the next sentence by saying a name that she considers AA and living in the Ghetto. She continued to try and back out of what she said by calling upon me to read an AA baby name book to prove that she is not racist because it would prove ???????? I am not sure what.

Now, in answer to why it would continue to bother me? It does because I do not like liars, or people who are bigots nor do I appreciate those who protect or defend them. Those people who do so are as culpable as she is. By her having to explain her posts and defend her posts is reason enough for doubt as to what the hell she is posting. No one has to defend their posts as much as she does....why? Because of what she posts. She is not misunderstood and LOL is not an explanation. Nor is I am testing you. Nor is any other crap she posts.

Either you are a racist or you aren't. The facts are clear. This has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative unless you want to make it so. I don't want to believe that conservatives are racists which is why I don't lump all in with her but it is getting harder and harder because of posts like "libs do that and "liberal friend, Danny" are thrown around. This has nothing to do with liberal nor conservative. Kathy is always asking for people to answer her questions and when they don't she crows....so, Kathy, how about you answer a couple of them yourself.

Why did you forget you deleted a post yesterday about abortion? Or did your son delete it without your knowledge? When did you learn how to delete posts?

What did you mean by get an AA baby name book.. how was that supposed to prove you aren't posting a racist post?

I won't put you on ignore because I would not be here when you see the light. I will miss it when you finally get what everyone who is mobbing against you has been saying.

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Please put me on your ignore list!!!
As usual you twist my words. I explained about the post deleting to you already in a PM after YOU initiated contact. If you don't yet understand this I can't explain it any further.
Reread my above post on this thread. If that doesn't clear things up for you about race issues I don't know what will. If my original post, from above, came off with a meaning I didn't intend, ie all blacks are criminals, etc... the post on here should have cleared it up for you. If not, I can't help you.

.Incorrect again and please dont' contact me again. I never said I remember deleting it. Reread the posts. I did finally see and remember the posts that it referred to however. The truth of abortion does hurt and I was referring more to that /the subject than the whole party thing which I thought was said in jest, an exageration. Now if the poster truly meant that then it was a sick post but I took it as I stated above. A gross exageration with a bit of truth mixed in. There are only a handful of you who don't like my posts. It is by far not the majority. I have had so many emails saying just ignore all the hate posted by the likes of you and the other few who are like you. So save your prayers for someone else (thanks for the offer though!) and don't contact me again.


The above is your pm to me. Where does it explain how you suddenly knew how to delete a post when earlier you said you didn't even know HOW to delete a post. Sometimes a liar is just a liar. The post was deleted and no one else can delete a post unless it was a mod or the op. A mod did not come to your defense so it only leaves you but there is no doubt that you posted it even though you denied you posted it at all at first until someone copied and pasted it for you to see. then you remembered.

Please please, explain it to me again like I lost my secret decoder pin because nowhere in the pm did it explain what happened during the time you posted you didn't post the referred to post much less knew how to delete a post and the time the post showed up for to see.

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Here is the problem. Kathy says she is not racist. I take her word for it. I knew what she was getting at in the infamous name post, and I looked past what could be her considered her communication barrier. That's all it is. The way she communicates. So why not let it go?? She's explained and explained. She is not racist, we all know what her point was. end of story.

The more a person feels cornered the worse a situation gets. Leave her alone already. geez

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No, I am guessing that it is the same as protesting in front of an Abortion clinic. We know there are people who are against abortion so why continue to protest? To make a point and to make those people who are going in for an abortion to stop, right?

I don't think that there are lots of people who see her for who she really is, so you are right. (let me correct that, I believe there are some people who see her for exactly who and what she is but not in the same way you do, Melissa) I am not saying she is a racist but I am saying she is posting racist and when she doesn't correct that posting to correct how she comes across to more than a few, then she is concurring that she is racist. You can take her word for it, Melissa but it doesn't mean that that word is what everyone should take. I take your word that you arent' racist and if you posted something that someone thought sounded racist, I believe that because you don't want people to think something that isn't true, you would bend over backward to make sure you corrected that thought. She doesn't. Which only lends itself to the fact that she is racist amongst other things.


Perhaps kathy could stop and think before she posts or be ready to take the flack for how she posts. I tell my kids to challenge people on their thoughts and words when they could be racist, bigotted or sexist. I do the same. It is the only way to change the world. One person at a time. I don't expect to change her. any more...just point out what is obviously her mistake in communication. But one time is a mistake....over and over isn't a mistake.

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You really aren't worth my time. You are soooo wrong. I went over backwards to explain things but NOTHING is ever good enough for you. Other people understand me fine as demonstrated in the above very nice post. There are about six of you that never let anything I say go. It comes up over and over again. It's totally pointless. Maybe if my posts offend you so much you should IGNORE them. You are not the "communication" police on here. Since there are only about 6 of you that don't get me you think I should monitor myself to try to write things in a way that please you? FORGET IT. I'll stick with the 99% on here that understand my posts and the meanings behind them. PLEASE IGNORE ME. Stop being so darn judgmental. You think that's what I'm doing yet you turn around and put labels on me, insult me, etc... Even with a PM. Grow up. Leave me alone. The world does not revolve around you or me. However, I sure dont' feel the need to critique other peoples postings styles on here like some of you do me. JUST LEAVE ME ALONE, IGNORE MY POSTS. Can I be any more blunt?

The ignore feature works both ways. Seems like if someone won't ignore you, then maybe you should ignore them.

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I don't understand why race should be an issue in this election. Look at it this way. Obama is always talking about how his mother raised him, his father left, etc., etc. Obama's mother was a WHITE woman who got pregnant by a BLACK man in the 60's. She was 17 at the time and not married. They married after they found out she was pregnant. For those of you who weren't around in the 60's or don't realize those implications -- it was basically 'forbidden' for a white woman to be seen with a black man back in those days, much less have his baby! And then to be unmarried on top of all that.
In over half of the states, bi-racial marriages were against the law and white women who were with black men were considered 'trash'. That's just the way it was. It was certainly a different time back then.

Look how far the United States has progressed since that time. Who would have thought in the 60's that in 2008 we would have those running for president today that we do. A black man AND a white woman both on the ticket!

I think a lot of people want race to be brought into it because since Obama is black, the democrats think they have the monolopy on the black vote and the republicans think they have it because Palin is on their ticket. I don't vote for somebody because of the color of their skin. I vote on the issues affecting me and who I think will better serve us as president.

Yes, things definitely have changed since the 60's. If this were the 60's, it certainly wouldn't be this sort of presidential election, for sure. I would hope we have evolved since then and put the 60's behind us and not make race part of this election.

*snort* there are places in the Deep South where the mentalities of the 50s and 60s still run rampant!
My goodness--do you remember the events in Jenna, LA?
You and I and many other people may vote the issues--but there are still some who vote based on their preconceived notions and stereotypes.

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