If they are assuming she is black solely on the fact that she is sellin drugs. . .yes!

If they are assuming she is black based solely on her name. . .no!

If they are reading it and assuming she is black, and seeing that she was arrested for selling drugs, THEN coming to the conclusion that ALL blacks sell drugs. . .or coming to the conclusion that ALL drug dealers are black. . .yes!

We already defined stereotyping:

something conforming to a fixed or general pattern ; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment

Is it discriminatory to read in the paper that somebody named Lavon Smith was arrested for selling drugs? I don't think so. . .How is reading discrimination?

Is it racial profiling. . .no!

We already defined that too. . .which one would you like? Wikepedia? ACLU? or Amnesty International?
Let's go with Amnesty International:

Racial profiling occurs when race is used by law enforcement or private security officials, to any degree, as a basis for criminal suspicion in non-suspect specific investigations. Discrimination based on race, ethnicity, religion, nationality or on any other particular identity undermines the basic human rights and freedoms to which every person is entitled

Racial Profiling

And your last statement is silly. . .honestly.

Just assuming somebody's ethnicity given their name is NOT racist! My maiden name is Birgenheier. What you're saying is that everybody that ever looked at me and said, "oh, German?" is a racist???!!! I don't think so! Now if they equated German ethnicity to a Nazi stereotype than THAT would be racist.

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No, reading someone's name in the paper if it is printed in the paper and that is a huge if, and assuming that the name means it was a black person and then correlating that with the rising crime rate ergo the black people are causing the rise in the crime rate could be considered something racial.

To paraphrase another poster

crime rate goes up + "AA names" in the paper = black people are the cause of the crime rise in my town. It's simple. LOL

But that is not the same thing. This is a sample of racist thinking. All names do not signify a race of people. Looking in an baby name book isn't the answer. Names don't belong to a certain race. To say so is being ignorant, don't you think?

And I am not talking about any poster in particular because I think there were people who said they understood what was meant by that post re:crime rate and names. You may have known what you think was meant but what was said was the above. Face it. It was real. And it wasn't corrected.

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I am agreeing with that. That's what I've been saying. Of course all names don't belong to a certain race, HOWEVER assumptions can be made about a name without being racist. Svetlana Popov is most likely Russian and to assume it is not being a racist.

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If someone would have took 5 minutes and looked at the "type" of site KTS posted you would have realized that she was talking about baby name "origins"
Baby Names Origins

African Baby Names
» American Baby Names
» Arabic Baby Names
» Aramaic Baby Names
» Armenian Baby Names
» Assyrian Baby Names
» Australian Baby Names
» Basque Baby Names
» Catalan Baby Names
» Celtic Baby Names
» Chinese Baby Names
» Czech Baby Names
» Danish Baby Names
» Dutch Baby Names
» Egyptian Baby Names
» English Baby Names
» Ethiopian Baby Names
» Filipino Baby Names
» Finnish Baby Names
» French Baby Names
» German Baby Names
» Germanic Baby Names
» Greek Baby Names
» Hawaiian Baby Names
» Hebrew Baby Names
» Hindi Baby Names
» Hungarian Baby Names
» Indian Baby Names
» Iranian Baby Names
» Irish Baby Names
» Italian Baby Names
» Japanese Baby Names
» Korean Baby Names
» Latin Baby Names
» Native American Baby Names
» Nigerian Baby Names
» Norwegian Baby Names
» Persian Baby Names
» Polish Baby Names
» Portuguese Baby Names
» Russian Baby Names
» Sanskrit Baby Names
» Scandinavian Baby Names
» Scottish Baby Names
» Slavic Baby Names
» Spanish Baby Names
» Swahili Baby Names
» Swedish Baby Names
» Teutonic Baby Names
» Turkish Baby Names
» Vietnamese Baby Names
» Welsh Baby Names

You are twisting what I said AGAIN. And yes, you are referring to a particulare poster, me, and you know it.
Hambirg-she wants to think I'm a racist because I pointed out the rising crime rate in this town and the rising population of AA's coming here from Chicago. Statistically proven and the statistics were posted. I made some comment about reading the paper and the names being AA sounding. As I stated yesterday I never meant or believe that all AA's are criminal, all AA's with AA sounding names are criminal, etc... This has been blown completely out of proporation by certain posters-I KNOW you can figure out which ones! They will not let this go. They continue to call me a racist. They do not listen to any explanations I give. They do not listen to any statistics. They just want to try to convince everyone on here I am a racist. Why I bother them so much I'll never know!!!

Speaking of searching for baby names. I believe it is not the AA who are being profiled. I did a google search just for the heck of it and found more websites for AA, Latino, Russian, German, Italian than I did for just a plain white baby name.

As a matter of fact, I copied and pasted one website for AA names and it explains the reasoning behind the LaToya's and LaKeesha's, etc. So usually when a person hears such a name, they aren't being racist about 'thinking' it's a black name. They're being truthful because it usually is. Here's what I copied from one of the AA Baby Name websites:

A Major Life event!
If you have searched for 'African-American Baby Names' then "Congratulations" must be in order. Whether you are the mother or father of a new baby, a member of the family or a close friend you are sharing in a major life event and taking a serious interest in choosing a special babyname from one of the many African-American that are available.
African-American Girl Babies
Girl Baby Names have origins in many languages including French, Latin, English and African. Many have the popular prefix of 'La' or 'Le' ( Latoya, Lashawn, Latrice etc) and also 'Da' and 'De' (Denelle, Danisha etc) Names like Tanisha (meaning the name of a day indicating birth on a Monday) originate in Africa from the Hausa language. Other African languages include Zulu, Swahili, Zulu, Igbo, and Yoruba.

African-American Boy Babies
Boy Baby Names also have origins in many languages including French, Latin, English and various languages in Africa. Many have have connections to Greek and Classical literature, the bible or reflect noble positions such as Earl or Earle. There are also those with the prefix of 'La' as is Lamarr or DaJon. There is also a trend to make unusual use of hyphens, capital letters and apostrophes such as D'marreio or D'Sean and Le-Vaughn.

So I think those of you who are on your high horse calling people on this board racists just for associating a LaToya, Danisha or DaJon as a black person need to back down a little. These are names that blacks want to name their children; these are the names that we as people in general associate with the black community (and obviously they do, too).

Thank you mom!!!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mom2twins2 again.

I have one for them, that seem to want to scream racism. . .I have a friend, Kim O'Brien. Care to guess their ethnicity?

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Thanks mom2twins2 for posting that educational information concerning names! Whew!

You are missing the point totally. The fact that you base the assumptions that because you see what you consider AA names in the paper in the crime section and therefore assume that black people are the reason for the rise in the crime rate is wrong!

A person named Kathy is liar and is a racist but not all Kathy's are those things but according to your logic, when I see a Kathy on my aol board, I should expect her to post racist stupid things that she will later claim are tests for us or is just a big sarcastic joker.

Seriously, the fact that there are people who think that the post was racist or at least had racist leanings. Why didn't you change the way you posted it instead of continuing the way it was posted?

And the mere fact that there are names that are in the AA baby name book still doesn't answer why that would make any difference. You still said that the names you think are AA are the cause of the rise in crime. So, in other words, so it is spelled out again.

Fact: The crime rate in your town is going up......no argument there as you provided prooof ()

Fact: You say you provided names printed in the paper or at least some names you said were in the paper, I looked and didn't find any names printed anywhere in the crime blog that came close to the names you said were.....(if it were such an issue, I am sure you could print the crime blog for yesterday and we would find some names that could fit in here, why don't you do that so we all can see for ourselves and answer this once and for all)( shouldn't be hard as according to you, it is happening allllll the time, shoot every day)

Fact: As far as you are concerned, these two facts mean to you that the rise in crime is due to those people with AA sounding names (ie black people) living in the new ghetto in your town.

Falsehood: Names do not describe anyone. Anyone can name anyone anything they want within reason. To say that someone is black because you read their name and to correlate that with the crime rate is racist, to me and it appears to a bunch of other people. I don't care how many times you try and say it doesn't.

Start over and print the blog and let's see for ourselves.

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Oh, I think you know very well why.

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Give it up already! How long does this have to be rehashed? I bet some of you have already been through one keyboard over this!

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I totally agree with you!! Just stop commenting on it everyone. The last one out please cut off the lights!!

ummmm.....I wouldn't begin to "guess"/ASSUME what ethnicity your friend is---I can't even guess the sex of the person! You want to know why I won't guess? Because, as more and more races have intermarried--names that were historically associated w/ different countries/specific origin, often do not apply to what the pre-conceived notions or history of a surname.

And....in this day and age, even "traditional" names are spelled in very non-traditional ways. And many "traditional" male names have gained popularity as female names...

Regardless of whether it's racial profiling, discrimination or prejudice--anyone who assumes ANYTHING about another human based on that person's name is stupid. And as far as I can tell--stupid knows no barriers. And unfortunately for many...you just can't fix stupid.

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YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. Names don't describe anyone? Yes they do. I have yet to meet a man named Kathy!!! Once again when you tried to look at the paper you looked at the daily arrest record which is NOT what I was talking about. I'm not talking about the usual college alcohol arrests. Those don't make the headlines. That's what you were looking at. I'm talking about burglary, robbery, etc... I live here. I know what's going on. I have the stats. It doesn't happen here everyday. You took that literally when I was talking generalization. As I stated yesterday there are about 6 of you that don't understand what I say, obviously don't even TRY to comprehend it and get a kick out of going over and over and over things that I post. I will not change for you since 99% of the people on here seem to understand my points. Get over yourself usnamom.

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Regardless of whether it's racial profiling, discrimination or prejudice--anyone who assumes ANYTHING about another human based on that person's name is stupid. /QUOTE]

Here's a great example of how things get twisted. If I had said the above statement someone would no doubt come back and say that's a ridiculous statement because you can certainly assume Kathy Ann is a female and Harold Robert is a man. Of course you can make assumption about someones name. Your assumption may be proved to be incorrect but saying no one can tell ANYTHING about anyones name is, and I will quote you, STUPID!!!!

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Pot .....meet kettle.....

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[quote=Toonces;3048460]Ahhh, NO. I am using HER examples to make a point.

since you quoted KTS, I actually read one of her posts....

And here all this time I thought we talking race, not gender. Nice try at deflecting attention from YOU and trying to put it on someone or something else.

In this day and age--assuming anything about a person based solely on their name is stupid.

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So in that context Kathy Ann might be a man! Your statement doesn't say anything about race. It says ASSUMING ANYTHING ABOUT A PERSON BASED SOLELY ON THEIR NAME IS STUPID. This is the kind of crap that you and others do to me all the time. I KNEW you were talking about race but YOU didn't STATE race. That is how some of you pick apart my posts. Pretty ridiculous don't you think?? I thought you put me on your ignore list. Can't you stay away??

I’m late to this rodeo, and I really don't care if KathyTheShopper made assumptions about the race of persons based upon their names. Yeah, maybe it's indicative of certain things, but I don't see it as the true problem with her conclusion, and why I think her conclusion misses the boat.

I do want to comment on the issue about whether the higher percentage of blacks who are incarcerated than their percentage in the general population is relevant to the issue of whether this population actually engages in more unlawful behavior. I think that anyone who watches this issue would reject this conclusion, and I hope that some of you will reconsider jumping to the conclusion that, because a person with a "black-sounding" name was arrested, it means that we should be concerned with blacks in our neighborhood.

The studies on the topic pretty clearly show that the incarceration rate of blacks and their illegal drug usage don't connect. Whites tend to use drugs more, and deal drugs more, than is reflected in their arrest and conviction rates. Blacks tend to use drugs less, and deal drugs less, than reflected in the incarceration figures.

There really is a plethora of studies that indicate that the higher percentage of convictions stems from racial profiling. (And I’m not going to get into a debate over the meaning of racial profiling. I think that both sides to the debate agree that racial profiling would include persons being stopped more often because of their race; being charged more because of their race; being convicted more because of their race; and receiving longer sentences because of their race. Whether the definition is or should be broader than that is your fight. It doesn't matter to my point here, so I'm not engaging).

The study that I know best comes from Seattle. In the field, this study is considered authorative. I first learned of the study because it was cited in a speech by an official from a federal agency during the Bush II years. The conclusions are pretty stark:

http://www.soc.washington.edu/users/...nforcement.pdf

The only conclusion that I think that can be drawn is that blacks are being targeted, and as a result, their incarceration rate is higher. This is often referred to as “DWB” or “driving while black.” I have one anecdotal story on this. I went to a town hall meeting on racial profiling in my community. Any number of people stood up to talk about how they were profiled. What absolutely amazed me were the number of Blacks who talked about being pulled over for something hanging from their rear view mirror. I hang my parking pass from my rear view mirror. I wasn’t even aware that it was unlawful. But it is being used as a reason to pull over blacks in large numbers in my community. Which leads to more arrests. Which leads to more charges being filed. Which leads to more convictions. Which leads to long sentences.

The problem that I had with the post regarding how an article with names identified as being black somehow served as “proof” that there was an increased drug problem in the area because of blacks was at least two-fold. The first was that one article, identifying persons with names that the OP thought were black, meant anything larger than that these folks had been charged with a crime. My neighbor three doors down was arrested for peeping in windows. He’s white. I don’t connect, nor should anyone connect, the fact of his race to a larger conclusion about the perversions of whites.

Second, the conclusion that, because there was a higher population of blacks in the prison population than the general population, means that blacks bring crime, or at least blacks from Chicago bring crime, just isn't supported by any empirical evidence. I don't know anyone who works in this field who doesn't think that the higher incarceration rates don't stem, at least in part, from racial profiling. The Bush administration, for god's sake, saw it as a big enough issue to declare a prohibition to federal enforcement officers to cease using racial profiling. I'm not a GWB fan, but I don't think that he would have issued the prohibition if his administration didn't see a problem.

I don't know of a study that supports the idea that the rate of incarceration of blacks actually equates to the rate of their engagement of the criminal activity being charged.

Third, and finally, I have something to add about the drug usage in Iowa. (And that is where the poster on the whole “the blacks are invading and crime is rising” was from, wasn’t she? If not, I apologize to all Iowans.)

I have some experience about how the federal courts in Iowa have been overwhelmed with drug charges. And their problem hasn’t been related to crack use, which is the only drug that is more often or at least as often used in the black community than in the white community, at least according to studies. It has been meth. Iowa has had a major meth problem for more than a decade. And meth tends to be more a “drug of choice” for whites than for blacks. And from my perspective, which has been informed by many conversations with judges, meth is probably one of the worst chemical inventions to ever occur. And Iowa has a problem with it.

I’m told that the meth lab problem has been declining in Iowa because people are becoming more aware of the signs of a meth lab, so it is less of a hospitable place for manufacturing meth than it was.

My point is that I doubt that you were decrying the problems of whites and their meth habit in 2004 or 2005, when meth production in Iowa was peaking. Frankly, if I lived in Iowa, I’d be worrying more about that vacant farm with the anhydrous ammonia tank parked out front than I ever would be concerned about an article dealing with arrests for drugs of some folks with names that lead you to think that the black folks are bringing a drug-related plague to your community.

This from somebody that can't even admit that they don't know the definition of racial profiling. . .ok.

And as far as assumptions, you make a lot of them:
All assumptions YOU make about adoptive parents, and foster children, or people who's children end up in foster care. Looks like you are not immune to assumptions!

Are you implying that all rural Southerners are racist? Or just implying that you are an expert about racism in the rural South because you grew up there? After all, you pooh poohed on me about knowing anything about racism.
So you seem to have some superior knowledge about racism because you happened to reside in the rural South. Big Whoo!

Here's Dannyboy making A LOT of assumptions about me, somebody she doesn't personally know. How can she judge me on an individual level if she doesn't know me?
And just to stress again. . .from somebody that can't even admit that they don't know the definition of racial profiling. . .
marilynk-I have made my position VERY clear as to where I stand with stereotyping. There is something called schema. It's how our brains work. Look it up. . .you might learn something. To imply that YOU are some how immune to it just proves that you are a self-righteous, hypocrite that can't admit when you are wrong.

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Whoa, whoa.....I wasn't talking about you at all. I don't need to learn anything and I resent being called a hypocrit when I know that I am not. I haven't read any of your posts because I really don't care what you are saying for the most part. I know that if someone says that they can tell the race of someone by their name and then connects that to the rise in the crime rate, I consider that person wrong and a racist. You can either agree with that but I was thinking when I glanced over your posts that you were making my point. I guess not.

If we are going to be honest, I don't believe in the first place that KTS told the truth about the crime rate in her city. I don't believe that anyone named Latrell or Kenisha was arrested the week before and I don't believe that in her city that the jails are full of AA named people who have contributed to the crime rate rise. She didn't post any proof of the above and never will no matter what she says.

I will leave it alone when KTS either proves her theory or post the absolute proof of what she says is in her paper each week.

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Thank you for posting that Dannyboy!!!! I couldn't agree with you more!

Everything you just stated IMHO is absolutely true!

Incarceration percentages prove nothing. . .except that blacks are being racially profiled.

I feel like I have banged my head against the wall in this thread. You understand why I was hard on you last night? You made A LOT of false assumptions about me. But in the end. . .we are agreeing on the issue. I NEVER said anything that people have assumed I did. This all started with me saying that unfortunately people have the 1st Amendment right to expess their views. . .NOT that we should agree with them. . .NOT that it is ok to act on those views.

WHEW!

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I was not speaking to you. . .I was referring to Marilyn. I don't think you are a hypocrite at all! We DO see eye to eye on this. I WAS making your point! Sorry if I was ambiguous on that.

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Yes Iowa does have a meth problem. The problems with the influx of people from Chicago is not drug related per say. Were you assuming it was because I never once mentioned drugs. It's more violent crimes which of course could be drug related but not necessarily. Muggings, robbery, assault, etc...* Which is why usnamom couldn't find it in the daily police log.My ex mother-in-law lived in LA for 30+ years and she did think there was racial profiling there. We talked about that. Since they were Jewish I would ask her questions about discrimanation against the Jews, etc... I* was born and raised in Iowa. I know the areas I am speaking about and I know the problems that have arisen in the last several years.* The high schools have had race issues. My Latino friend is a city bus driver and he has noticed the increase of problems with a certain group of people within the bus system. He has had to kick some of them off and on other times call the police. I did not grow up with a "oh look out for that black person' environment".* The only "race" type issues were the huge influx of Hispanics to pick tomatos in the summer. Which by the way, was no big deal, other than the fact that it was sad that they were so poor. I know our chuch used to help them out.

I don't think I ever said anything about watching out if your neighbors are black. I actually have black neighbors. It's no big deal. I have lots of Asian families on my street too. However, there is a "ghetto" type area developing in the city adjoining mine. It's well documented by the police and the neighborhood center that tries to reach out to them.* This is not racist. It is supported fact. I am not saying the reason why just the fact that it exists. Stating facts does not make a person racist. I'm sure there are imprisoned blacks who are innocent. I'm sure there are lots of places that profile them. I also know the cops in my town really watch teenage boy drivers. Is that profiling that you would get all upset about? My oldest used to tell me that they would actually follow him home at 2:00 in the morning. It used to drive him nuts. I used to say-just drive carefully and don't do anything wrong and you will be fine. I guess that advice worked because he is in his 20's and has never had a ticket! But have mercy on me if they were black teenage drivers!!!! lol I stand by what I have said that is happening in THIS town. I see it, I live it and it's quite common knowledge around here. It's not racist to have a bank secuirty camera record a bank robberty suspect and have the description printed in the paper that it was a black man, etc...* It's not racist for a victims report of a purse snatchinig at night by a man described as a black male in his 20's, etc... It is what it is. Can we move on from this topic and me?

I"m so done with you usnamom. I am going to try not to discuss this with you anymore. You will never believe anything I say so why bother? You are the type to believe what you want to believe regardless of explanations, links, etc.. at least with me anyway. You just go ahead and believe anything you want about me.

No, my dear, I get it exactly. And all I have to believe is what you have posted. And what you have posted sounds like what I think I believe it to be. You haven't given me any reason to not think so.

I tell ,my kids not to lie because then it makes everything you say after that suspect and you have to go the extra mile to prove your next statement.

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Ok, just to clarify things. When you posted the article about how there was proof about the infestation of south side Chicago blacks, was the article that you relied upon dealing with an arrest for a drug-related offense or a violent offense?

And when you posted about the high incarceration rates for blacks, was the incarceration rate attributable only to violent crimes, or to drug-related crimes, or both? And if it was both, do you know the breakdown?

I will tell you that I don't know your answers. I have a recollection of your post, but I don't remember it in enough detail to presume.

The reasons that I'm asking is that I can give you studies on all aspects of your post. I think that, for the sake of really addressing your issue, and avoiding boring the pants off of everyone else, I'd like to know the basis of your assertions.

As far as your bus driver, I'm not finding that particularly authorative. You said this:

And I'm thinking, so what?

I'm also asking myself, in the context of this thread, what you are referring to when you say "a certain group of people within the bus system"?

I have my guesses, but I might as well just ask.

Bluntly, are you referring to black kids?

If you are, say it. If you aren't, say that too. Describe what you mean by "a certain group of people."

If you are confident in your position, there is no need to talk in code. On the other hand, if you need to express yourself in code, you can't be confident in your position.

Anyway, I look forward to your response.

School district - AA make up 12.14%. County stats-Number of black residents increased by 1580 from 2000 to 7/01/07, a 46% increase. The number of black residents increased 8 % from 2006 to 7/01/07. I'll see if I can find older school and inmate stats.

Dannyboy

I will be happy to share the link where this all started with you, if you want to go ahead and read it--you only have to read about 3or4 posts into the first link to find the original KTS post where she starts posting stats:

Of course, later, as you will see, she states it was just a test

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...oby-keith.html

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...icagoians.html

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...-question.html

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Well I do stand by what I say. I have given enough statistics to back my statements. The high school has established a "welcome center" for minorities moving here to help them adjust. The minority issue was an issue with the recent school board election. It's a problem with the city bus system. Call the school board here if you want to find out more. Of course, it would all depend on how you phrase the questions now wouldn't it? Get the published maps of where crimes are happening and I'm sure you can tell from that where the "ghetto" area is developing. I will give you a hint -Broadway area. I'm done trying to explain this to all of you that keep hammering at me. You can believe what you want to. I KNOW what's happening in this area. If you don't live here you really don't know do you? It doesn't have anything to do with being a racist. It's FACTUAL.

Good Lord. I can't believe that you still don't get it. But since your "support" system has all but vanished by now, I am guessing more and more people do get it.

Whatever!! You probably don't think OJ killed his ex and Ron G. either!! (Not guilty does not mean innocent either.)

Umm....what?

Good comeback!

What in the world does OJ have to do with any of this?

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This is why I rarely come here anymore. When you cant think of anything remotely intelligent to say, you resort to totally stupid comments. This doesn't belong in a forum where people are trying to share opinions and facts on the issues. Its just a game of distraction. Most of us here are too intelligent to fall for this!

No, not everyone. Obviously you haven't been here lately.

I just have to address this comment. Kathy, this is rediculous if you think this is defense for you NOT to be a racist. If I was to call the school board and ask them if the reason the crime rate is going up in your town because of the minority people moving in, well, I couldn't do it. Not because I don't believe you but because it is stupid.

Perhaps the crime rate is going up because when you have certain amount of crime with a certain amount of population, when that population goes up (no matter what color of skin the people have) the crime rate will also go up,.

Simple. But it is and I will go to my death saying that it is racist for you to correlate the minority with the crime rate especially with the name thing. Shows racism to put it into print, and defend that position. Ignorance at best.

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RJB 3/18/60 - 5/22/04
We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

Good Lord..the you are racist, no I'm not, yes you are fights are boring as he!!. Every single thread I go into tonight has a fight post, can nobody stick to the topic w/o attacking specific posters over & over?

Another thing to keep in mind is that the penalties for selling crack cocaine have been much stiffer than those for selling powder cocaine.

The Third Branch

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Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box.