They HAVE been discriminated against for being "poor". White trash refers to poor whites and carries many derogatory stereotypes. I never said they were discriminated against for for being white. . . .so maybe ist's not so much racism, even though I believe the negative stereotypes are racist, as it is elitism or class discrimination.

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White trash does NOT refer only to poor whites, nor are all poor whites included in the designation of white trash as I've heard it used.

For example, I've heard Paris Hilton referred to as "white trash." Personally, I prefer to just use the word "trash," because trash comes in all colors, sizes, sexes and religions.

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White trash would have been a more suitable thread title!

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Did you read the history of the word? Just because somebody refers to Paris Hilton as "white trash" does not take away from the meaning of the word. Just like if I call my white neighbor "uppity"doesn't take away from the meaning of the word.

Take what you've said and tweak it:

Uppity does NOT refer only to blacks, nor are all blacks included in the designation of uppity as I've heard it used.

Doesn't change the connotation of how "white trash" was used by this Mallick, just as it didn't change the connotation of "uppity" used by that Southern senator.

I know. This thread got way off base. Getting back to the Palin e-mail hack. . .has anybody heard anything at all about it recently?

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I heard that the kid (20) that did it is the son of a state rep from Tennessee ....

Sarah Palin E-Mail Hacker Tied To Tennessee Democrat -- Republican Sarah Palin -- InformationWeek

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What word?

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"white trash"

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I have no clue what the original topic was, but, I agree with your first sentence. Personally,I think adding the "white" part gives it more ooomph. Kind of like when your kids misbehave...... you don't just say "Danny".....you say "Daniel Robert Slavinski......COME HERE!!!!" Danny would do, but, you really gotta emphasize how fired up you are, so you throw the whole name out there. That's my take on it, anyway.

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By the way, you people supporting the Republican ticket do know that Palin's name is Sarah, not Sara, right?

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I've heard that too, but I haven't seen any actual confirmation that the claim is true. He admits that he was hoping to find something incriminating and was disappointed that he didn't.

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He found that she was improperly using a Yahoo email account to conduct state business.

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Palin E-Mail Hacker Says It Was Easy | Threat Level from Wired.com

The hacker said that he read all of the e-mails in the Palin account and found "nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped. All I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family.'

I guess since he's the only one that ever saw the content of all of the e-mails. . .we'll have to take his word for it.

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He found an email account with clerical "stuff" pertaining to the governor's office. That's not the way governors are supposed to do it. Just confirms what I just said.

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It was not governmental business. You are entitled to discuss your life in an email with friends, etc.. something might come up but there is nothing unethical in them.

Yes, it leaves them vunerable to criminal hackers.

The information published to date does not appear to have been especially sensitive—one is a supportive message from a colleague; in another, Palin commiserates with her lieutenant governor about attacks by a political opponent. But if multiple parties had access to the account, it's at least possible that e-mails may have been obtained by intruders. The McCain campaign noted that the matter had been referred to the FBI and Secret Service, and expressed a "hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them."

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I don't think that the phrase "white trash" has to get me personally charged up to be considered discriminatory. I wasn't responding to that question. I was actually responding to questions about whether the phrase bothered people. I said that I didn't like it, but that it didn't bother me. And I volunteered why it didn't.

And it doesn't. I don't use it, just as I don't use "trailer trash." I will pay closer attention to instances when it is raised now that I know that the phrase bothers people, and I'll try to evaluate whether it seems like it is being used in a racially derogatory manner.

Your post also asserts that positions have been spoon-fed to me and that my inability to "come up with anything" shows ignorance. To avoid being accused of taking things out of context, I'll quote again your exact comment: "If you can't come up with anything after what you've already been spoon-fed here, then I have another word for you to look up...try "ignorance"..."

I don't know why you think that this comment was necessary or even appropriate. It comes out of left-field from my perspective.

I don't care, though. You are welcome to your opinions. Indeed, I only bring it up because if I so directly slammed another poster, I'd want the poster to recognize the slam.

I do. But I don't care or even understand it.

I am also sorry that you think that I "tend to make your point, and then restate it several times," and that "We get it. Next..." Maybe I was overcompensating in reaction to posts in this and other threads about how someone, who I thought had answered the question, actually hadn't directly responded. Now that I know that there is there is some unstated rule about saying things briefly and then never returning to the topic again, even when questioned about it, I'll keep in mind that you have a low level of tolerance for it. And I'll make my posts longer and even more tedious.

That was a joke, BTW.

Also, the salutation of "Dannyboy/Maureen" implies that I am Maureen. I am not, and anyone who has posted here for any length of time will tell you that I am not. If you assumed that I am, you made assumptions based on incomplete knowledge.

I do have a question for the reading public though. How do you feel about the term, "redneck"? I never use this term because someone told me that they thought it was racist. But it is used all the time. It also has a dubious history. But people seem to embrace it. Jeff Foxworthy has built a career on it. Sarah Palin's soon to be son-in-law self-identified himself as a redneck on his MySpace, as I recall.

I don't know that I would use this term anyway, but I do steer away from it because I was very explicitly told that it's racist. I always wonder when I read it and hear it, though, whether others feel the same.

I'll respond to the redneck thing. . .

Like you, I don't like it nor will I use it. I think it is a stereotypical, derogatory term. As for Palin's soon to be son-in-law using it to describe himself, I see it as a pride thing. Kind of like how some blacks use the term "nigga" when talking to each other and amongst themselves. Does that make sense?

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I could be wrong, but I thought she meant she was addressing dannyboy and Maureen.

Redneck doesn't bother me, but that's probably because I grew up in sort of a redneck state and lived a country life. Perhaps like the "N" word, it would depend on who said it. If some of us from the same background jokingly called ourselves rednecks it would create a bit of cameraderie. If some designer-label city snoot said it in what we'd consider to be an uppity way, it would be offensive.

I do think 'white trash' has a specific racial connotation that is race-specific in a way that 'trash' doesn't quite capture.

I initially thought that too, until I re-read the thread and saw that Maureen hadn't posted in it., or if she did, I missed it. I just wanted it to be clear that my views are just mine.

You know most people here, whether we agree on the issues or not, have something valuable to add to the discussion. . . BUT. . .

Damn! How did I miss this? truble can apparently count to two. Good job!

Sorry if it doesn't interest you. . .we all know it is not shiny and sparkly enough for that. So why are you posting in a thread that doesn't interest you?

I don't know who misspelled Sarah, but again. . .good job for noticing that typo on the silent h!

NO bs. . .I'm a special-ed teacher and I used to have a student, Jodi, that would respond to any question asked her with "You're funny." It went like this.

Teacher: So Jodi, how are you today?
Jodi: You're funny.

Teacher: How was your lunch today, Jodi?
Jodi: You're funny.

Teacher: Are you riding the bus today, Jodi?
Jodi: You're funny

If the shoe fits. . .

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Truble is just like Jaded, come in, add a snark, but add no substance to the conversation.

Like you just did?

Both posters that you just mention have been posters here for awhile, and have added a lot of good info and opinions on a variety of subjects. Yes, there are times that "snark" is added, but they are certainly NOT the only ones that do that. I think it is short sighted of you to just finger them as being the only ones here as doing so.

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As as Special Ed teacher myself, I am sure that Jodi would love to know the fun you are making of other people at her expense. Just so telling of you!

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You're right, there are many more who also do this.

Indeed, there are. Posters on all sides; right, left, "liberal", "conservative", self proclaimed Republican, Democrats, Indepedents, etc.

So why did you specifically only name those two posters if you know there are "many more"??

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Teacher: Jodi I posted about you on a message board yesterday to point out how somebody also says "you're funny" a lot.

Jodi: You're funny.

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Wow. Do you make jokes about all handicapped people, or is it just mentally handicapped people you pick on? Perhaps you want to reevaluate why you choose special education as a career ....

Teacher to Jodi's Mom: I posted about your daughter on a message board yesterday to point out how somebody also says "you're funny" a lot. I pointed out that Jodi was a special ed student, described how little Jodi always says "you're funny," and then I told the poster that "if the shoe fits." What do you think?

Jodi's Mother: You used my daughter as a tool to insult another person. You are not funny.

I don't see this as making fun of Jodi at all!! She is just relaying how one of her students acts. I coiuld relate to it from being at Goodwill shopping and getting used to the quirks of some of the employees there. You just learn to go along with it and empathize with their world and how they see it. So is hambirg not supposed to talk to Jodi because she will give the same answer? Of course not, you need to engage them in whatever way you can.
Chill out people.

And that should surprise anyone because ..............

You don't see it as making fun at all, because you are not a special ed teacher. Her unprofessionalism and her disdain of her students is loud and clear in her posting. She should be ashamed of herself and her students' parents would and should be horrified to discover just what kind of thoughtless, disdainful person is "teaching" their child. She is NOT showing "Jodi" empathy in any way. If I found one of my Special Ed colleagues behaving in this way, we would definitely be having a discusion with supervisors about this unacceptable behavior. Actually, this behavior makes me hope she is really not special ed teacher, because I feel sorry for her students if she really is.

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Actually she doesn't seem like a hard hearted person. I'm in my 50's and when I was in my 20's my brothers best friend was schizophrenic and was in the psych hospital (many times). We went to visit him on Christmas. It was kinda creepy because you get locked in there with them. Just like on Cuckoos Nest! lol Well my sister and I still chuckle about the poor young man who would roam the halls repeating "speed limit 55" . That's all he ever said. We still think about that sometimes. We chuckle about it-NOT because we don't have empathy for the poor soul-but it's something out of the ordinary. My brothers best friend ended up dying at 32. It crushed me because he was like a brother to me. Although given the state of his mind and the fact that he was never going to get better (meds didn't seem to work for him) and was in a better place, I should have been relieved. So I wouldn't be so quick to place judgments on hambirg. You can chuckle about something someone says or does but that does not mean you are making fun of them.

oh my GOD! I am appalled at the person you are. In one post you showed that you are : unethical, cruel, unprofessional and a sorry excuse for a teacher! If I had the needed information, I would report you to your state's board of education, your school and the parent of the child you just mocked.
DISGUSTING!

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heh..entertainment at it's finest!

The assumption that you were Maureen was absolutely my mistake. Must have been the Irish title, name and the shamrocks. I definitely didn't plan to put Maureen in this category.

Your posts about being an expert on racism (including throwing out your 'I'm an attorney..." card) along with the ones about not being convinced that 'white trash' is a racially charged term were what led to my post.

In your latest post you did clear up some of the points you made, and I believe I read into your posts a little too much the first time. I do apologize for that. In addition, I generally try NOT to take more than one of the same poster's post into account when I'm posting, myself. I'll be more careful next time.

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Ahh hambirg welcome to my club!! Sorry to see that you've been inducted!!! I love "challenged" people. I still don't think you were making fun of Jodi. No more than if you had a 5 yr old child that repeatedly did something out of the ordinary. That's not making fun of them but enjoying the things they come up with! Sometimes they are funny, sometimes they are entertaining. THey are certainly unique!

PS Remember, these are the people that never judge other people! lol

I'm sure pretty much everyone here has watched "Rainman" with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise. Even though it was about an autistic man, how can you not chuckle at that movie? I don't think hambirg was making fun of the child mentioned. I'm sure the parents know exactly what she's talking about. Obviously the child uses the phrase all the time. I think she was just pointing out how one person on this board constantly uses the phrase 'you're funny' when they have nothing to say and says she has a student who says the same phrase.

I think some of you are just trying to pick, pick, pick!

BTW, I have a friend who has an autistic child and we were at an outdoor wedding last fall, and I asked her where 'Johnny' was. She replied, 'oh, he's over there playing with a rock -- something he does all the time.' And then she laughed. I don't think a lot of parents with challenged children are overly sensitive like a lot of you are on this board.

I guess it is sort of like I can talk about my kids and laugh at them but don't let someone else do it. KWIM? Or it should be.

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Of course I totally get it! And anyone claiming to be a special education teacher on here who doesn't get it is a pretender. Note to the particular special educator who professes to be so upset - lighten up!!! A sense of humor is CRITICAL in the special education field. Your kids would be better served if you didn't feel sorry for them all the time. I'm sure Jodi would get it!



Hambirg, You didn't mention Jodi's last name, district, SS#, her exceptionality, etc. You are entirely professional, and all of the above posters claiming to be in a fit of hysteria know it.

You put a first name with a quirky behavior. GASP!

For heaven's sake - the responses from the typical witch hunters was INCREDIBLY predictable!

The icing on the cake is...I'll bet truble's never had so many rush to her side in defense!

In and of itself, that is a hoot! Truble - you might want to put this one in your "favorite places" category. I'll bet you'll never get so much of a defense from the entire group of radical democrats on this board again!

I have to get over this one - nobody in my house understands why I'm laughing so hard while facing a coupon message board! This one was rich. What a hoot! Even I will have to put this one into a favorite place. So telling!

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ESPECIALLY when that someone is suppose to be a professional!

But, some of us found it offensive--shouldn't hambirg go back and edit her post? I mean, really!
Just admit that it was in poor taste to bring in the whole "I'm a special Ed teacher and I have a student who does ___________", and the comparing a poster to a special Ed student.

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I know. Just as it's funny when the radical conservatives rush to the defense of another poster on this board.
Yep, a hoot and indeed very telling.

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Marilyn, I highly doubt you truly found this offensive. Honestly - are you TRULY offended?

It looks like a (transparent) ploy.

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I am sorry but I don't see where taste is republican or democratic. The post was tasteless and lacked a certain modicum of class that I thought Hambrig had. If some other posters had posted it, I would not have given it another thought...well, I wouldn't have been ABLE to post about it but with her, I was surprised but not because she is conservative and I am more liberal. But because it lacked class. IMHO

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It is what it is...

An opportunity for a lot of people who have been waiting to "catch" hambirg somehow.

Remember ladies - it IS what it is...an annonymous little coupon board, so Hambirg crossed no line. If anyone here in a similar field can say that they have NEVER gone home and told an amusing story about a client or student or patient (without giving out any identifiable info), I wouldn't even buy it. Nobody would.

The "holier than thou" act is such a load of BS. And you all know it.

But it makes for a nice bonding experience for you all, no?

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Here..you can redirect now..

stop being a retard!

And I thought this would typically turn into an abortion or racist thread ! Sure got that wrong, now we have yet a 3rd subject for so called professionals who typically yap and yap about all of their self touted experience to whine and not "get" the example made. I got it. Others got it. It's an example only, no disclosure or impropriety.

devinmom is so right about the holier than thou load of bs.

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Now your post is making ME laugh!!! lol
Hambirg-I don't think you would even consider this-but for heavens sake don't edit it. As usual most people on here understood it just fine-it's those few (the usual) that don't.

Don't you dare edit, it is PRICELESS!

Brother, if truble had made such a claim, you and your bonding committee would have had a very special moment and probably made an after school special about it.

It does go both ways and for the record, if truble had made such a comment, I would have thought the same thing.

the difference between telling a cute story about a client or someone you work with is that it is a simply a cute story, not a story while you are trying to put another poster down by using this clients story as evidence. Does it change my mind about Hambrig,? no. Just surprised.

But not surprised that tact has been turned into a us/them type of thing. Seems to be the thing to do when you know you (collective you) don't have a leg to stand on. Again, jmho.

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yes, I am and was offended. I'm not a fan of truble (just ask her)...I'm not a radical democrat (or have you not read that I do not plan to vote Obama)?

If someone had said "I know this retarded kid who always says 'you're funny'...you remind me of that kid devinmom" would you have found it offensive?

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The joke wasn't about Jodi. . .it was about truble and how she keeps saying "you're funny" when she doesn't have really anything to say.. . .kinda like a parrot. My story is about Jodi because I am a special ed teacher and not a parrot trainer. It was simply a behaviorial observation. I wasn't making fun of her. . .maybe you thought I was because you haven't had enough exposure to the developmentally disabled. . . .oh wait.

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Teacher to Jodi's mom, Heather, who a personal friend of hers: "I posted about your daughter on a message board yesterday to point out how somebody also says "you're funny" a lot. I pointed out that Jodi was a special ed student, described how little Jodi always says "you're funny," and then I told the poster that "if the shoe fits." What do you think?"

Heather :laughs:


Btw. . .not little Jodi, she's 21.

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You're funny. LOL!

Can we let this thing go, please?

I make one post on this and suddenly I am being asked to let it go? Umm...okay.....I guess since I don't speak for everyone, I can let it go.


There, it's let go.

Now, you are funny!

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If I were Truble, I'd be offended (at first), but then I'd be so excited to see all of the hysteria caused in my name. That would cancel out the offense...

But nobody said 'retarded' - you still don't even know the exceptionality of the child, because Hambirg didn't divulge anything. In fact, nobody knows anything about Jodi - they don't even know if Jodi is her real name...

Lastly, nobody said "marilynk" either, so I'm surprised that you're so very offended. But if you say you are, I'm in no place to argue. I just don't get it.



So, about Palin's email....DISCUSS!

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No! What I said about Jodi could have been lifted directly from her behaviorial assessment. The fact that trubles "behaviorial assesment" matches hers is what I pointed out. I think what you meant when you said "empathy" was really "sympathy" and Jodi doesn't need mine or anybody's elses sympathy, for that matter! I would think you being a sped teacher would no as much. I guess not. I know your type. . .You feed Johnny when he can learn to feed himself. You keep him in diapers when he can be toilet trained. You let him sit in a wheelchair when he can walk with a walker. You're one of those that would rather coddle and enable. And in the end you are the one doing the diservice. And you have the gaul to say that I am the one that has disdain for my students! I would rather push for independence so that they might have a shot at a better quality of life. Maybe you should be a pre-school teacher.

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so, maybe I'm offended much in the same way that hambirg was with the use of "homosexual acts" in another thread.

I did find it offensive--whether you believe it or not, is up to you. I've tried really hard to maintain a moderate position on the majority of things posted here. When I've offended (and been told about it) I've always tried to apologize. When I've posted in anger, and/or have been wrong--I've owned up to it.

My opinion on the email thing is the same---you should never, ever, send anything by email that you wouldn't care for the whole world to see. Someone hacking into your web-based email account is but a few clicks away for people who hack.

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LMFAO!!!!!

And they would laugh at you. . . because they know me.

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Thank you devinsmom! At least somebody gets it! I guess it's a horrible outrage to point out a behavior! LOL! But I could have called her a peice of white trash and that would have been perfectly acceptable!

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So it would have been better if I lied?! The only thing I was comparing was a specific behavior of Jodi's with a specific behavior of trubles. And it is a justified comparison.

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so, what was the point of bringing in the fact that the behaviour comes from one of your Special Ed students?

What was the necessity in that?
Had you compared truble to a child that keeps saying "why" or "how come" as a response to everything--I wouldn't have given it a second thought. I just don't understand the rationale behind bringing the whole special ed aspect? Hmmmmmm.....

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C H I L L O U T!!!!!!
Most of us got it. You didn't. Get over it and move on!

Because it's the truth; Jodi is a special ed student. It helps explain why she says "you're funny" to everything anybody says to her.

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ok, if you say so....I disagree that it was necessary, but, that's just my opinion.

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Your entitled to your opinion. But seriously, what was I suppose to say? My friend? My neighbor? Nope. She's my Sped ed student.

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Would it have made a differerence to anyone if her name is not really Jodi?? Or if her name was left off??? I guess I don't see the "horror" of it. Now, if hambirg had said "I have this really dense student...." or something like that, that would not be good.

I think this hit Truble at the core, and people are rallying around her. Notice I didn't say "liberals" or group people together like that.

Like Devinmom said "it is what it is"...... now, let's get back to the issues, please.

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you say whatever you want---just remember that's what other people do as well. Too bad that I was offended by it. Maybe next time, you'll be the one who is offended when someone posts the truth without fully realizing that what they said could be offensive to others.

FWIW--if you'd have just said one of my students, most of us would have assumed that you taught really young children (repeating is common in younger children). There's a huge difference between comparing someone to a young child, and comparing someone to a special needs individual--at least I think so. But whatever you feel comfortable with....

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Where is you degree and special certification to work with this population. Do you have one? If not, you do not get the total picture. But, I am not surprised that you would excuse this unprofessional and disgusting behaviour just because it was hambirg who posted this. Had I or any not in your group posted it, you would be posting a different answer. But that will never happen, because the "leftie" as you like to label us. are more professional and empathetic than to ever post such drivel and meanness about one of our students.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

when I said empathy I meant empathy...I know the definitions of words and I certainly don't need someone like you to try to speak for me. I have empathy for my children not sympathy, And, you know nothing about the work I do with my students. And what you posted that you assumed ASS that you are, is not anything that I ever do with my students. Not one of my students is in diapers. Not one of my students sits in a wheelchair all day. But, I can guarantee also that not ONE OF MY STUDENTS HAS EVER BEEN HELD UP AS AN EXAMPLE ON A MESSAGE BOARD TO RIDICULE ANYONE!!! And, guess what, I have taught Special Ed in pre-school as well as middle school. You are just and idiot who will never admit the unprofessionalism of that post. But, those of us who care, do know it.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

I hear Sandra Bernhard is looking for an act to follow .............

But it sure is nice of you to call someone an idiot! That's maturity!

At least is is not UNPROFESSIONAL. I just call em as I see em. She is trying to deflect her unprofessionalism by posting what her assumptions about my work ethic are--and you know what happens when you assume things. She cannot sidestep this by accusing me of things that are untrue.....but her unprofessionalism is out there for all to see. Defend her all you wish....that does not take away the unprofessionalism she exhibits.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

Well it's still rude to call someone an idiot. Do you really think that's necessary? Do you really think she doesn't understand what you have written? So what if it's not unprofessional-it's rude and immature to call people on here names. IMHO of course!

You are entitled to your opinion or course. However, that will still not deflect from what she posted. Whether she will ever admit it or not, she knows it was wrong and unprofessional and the parents of her students would be mortified to know how she held her student up for ridicule.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

Yes, my graduate degree is in special education. I absolutely get the "total picture" to which you're referring.


The scary thing is that you said you're a special educator, too.

I cringe to think about mean people who are name-callers teaching children. Jeanief, I watch you use the term "idiot" on an almost daily basis.

Why don't you look up the etymology of that word some time? Did you know it used to be used as a classification for mental retardation? Do you remember learning that way back in "Introduction to Special Education 101?"

If you did know, and you use it anyway, then I fear for your students - you don't depict yourself here as sensitive or kind, but rather short-tempered, easily flustered, and a name-caller.

If you didn't know, well now you do. Consider yourself enlightened. You owe it to your students to quit throwing around the term "idiot" the way you do.

Do you "have the courage to be yourself" even when you're teaching?

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As you know nothing about the work I do with my students. . .but you made a lot of assumptions. . .guess what that makes you? Not that I would ever actually say it. . .like you did.

Hmmmm. . .makes me wonder what kind of sped teacher you are if you don't have any students in diapers or in wheelchairs. Guess I just have had a much broader exposure than you.

And all I did was point out a behavior that I have seen in my own personal experience that matches one of somebody who posts here. If you don't get that. . .I don't really care. Others got it. I can't be responsible for everybody understanding everything. . .try as I might.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

For Jeanief

This is from wikipedia...just an fyi for a special educator in the field....

Idiot

Disability In 19th and early 20th century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very severe mental retardation, or a very low IQ level, as a sufferer of cretinism, defining idiots as people whose IQ were below 20 (with a standard deviation of 16).

In current medical classification, these people are now said to have profound mental retardation, and the word "idiot" is no longer used as a scientific term.

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"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief." - Thomas Russell

My students are much kinder and smarter in many ways than Hambirg.
And, you guys can deflect and deflect all you want, it doesn't change the unprofessionalism she has shown toward a student.
What is done is done...no matter how you try to repaint it.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

You're funny.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

Now THAT IS funny! Professional and empathetic? What a hoot! In whose world?

YOU were the one who was assuming what I do with/for my students..i.e. claiming that I let them sit in diapers all day or in a wheelchair all day. YOU posted those incorrect assumptions. YOU were the one who used one of your students and called her by name to try and humiliate another poster here. And, in case you haven't noticed, there were a lot of other posters on this thread who understood exactly that what you said was unprofessional and demeaning. And guess what, I don't care what you think either. Especially since you have shown yourself to be less than professional in your work sphere.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

No deflecting here. I was absolutely sincere in my post to you. I have real concerns about your mean streak and your name calling. Please show your students a different, kinder side of yourself. And forego use of the word "idiot" - it has no place in the vocabulary of a true special educator.

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"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief." - Thomas Russell

You know nothing about me. You know nothing about my students...because I do not hold them up to ridicule. You know what you assume...that is all. Hambirg has SHOWN and proven herself to be unprofessional in her work. That is a given. SO, I could care less what you assume...because you know what you do when you assume......

Deflect, deflect, deflect

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

I still say it is okay to talk about your own kid, but not about someone else's kid. Whether they are special ed or not. Especially if you are using the story to put down another poster. It is tasteless no matter how you cut it. Placing the view on another doesn't negate the original post. It is still tasteless and the point trying to be made could have been made another way.

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Did you know that Kathytheshopper is someone else's kid?

You're right. Putting down someone else's kid is tasteless.

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"The errors of faith are better than the best thoughts of unbelief." - Thomas Russell

And did you know everyone you post to is someone else's kid?

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We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

And what do you know about my work?

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

She's funny.

Hambirg has NOT shown and proven herself unprofessional. You, however, are showing arrogance and an unwillingness to accept that fact that maybe you overacted and acted judgmental.

That's hilarious. KTS is in her 50s by her own admission. She's far from a kid. She's also not a special ed student. As far as I know.

As far as I've seen on this board, KTS holds herself up to ridicule, whines about it and then comes back for more. It appears to me that KTS enjoys it here. She comes here of her own volition. Jodi didn't get to choose whether she wanted to be discussed here or not.

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bite me and get a brain!

Boy, I hope Hambirg doesn't stop suddenly.....

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We miss you, sweet brother
God Bless the USA!!!!! Praying for my Youngster son at United States Naval Academy, class of 2014!!

Well Nancy I am someone's kid. My mom is alive and well at 84!
I do enjoy the "nice" people on here.
Acutally I know what Jodi would say if she were asked about this situation-----YOU'RE FUNNY!!! And God bless her!! She's probably happier than a lot of the cranky people on this site! lol

AHAHA

SNORK!

I had to google what snork meant. You learn something new everyday! lol